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Catholics Fire Back!

Posted by on Jun. 22, 2013 at 4:31 AM
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Catholics Fire Back at Obama over School Comments: 'Anti-Faith, Secular Agenda Shamelessly on Full Display'

Speaking in Ireland this week, President Obama stated that Catholic schools were divisive: “If towns remain divided—if Catholics have their schools and buildings and Protestants have theirs, if we can’t see ourselves in one another and fear or resentment are allowed to harden—that too encourages division and discourages cooperation.” On Thursday, the American Catholics for Religious Freedom fired back on President Obama’s words to 2,000 young people at the G8 Summit, stating, “President Obama’s anti-faith, secular agenda was shamefully on full display yesterday when he told the young people of Northern Ireland that Catholic education and other faith-based schools were divisive and an obstacle to peace. All Americans of faith should be outraged by these comments which clearly telegraph the President’s belief system and are in fact at their core even anti-American.”

American Catholics for Religious Freedom points out that the media has completely ignored the story, and adds, “Secular progressives like President Obama ignore the truth that faith-based education is a component of the Religious Freedom guaranteed by the Constitution. He can’t bear the thought that Catholic and parochial schools not only teach important values but consistently produce better educational results at lower cost than America’s failing public schools. The President’s troubling values are showing here in a way that demonstrate just how dangerous this Administration is and how committed it is to eroding the rights of all people of faith.”

And, they note, this is the same President who has attempted to cram down anti-Catholic doctrine via Obamacare. “It’s time Americans stood up for Religious Freedom, for the U.S. Constitution and against President Obama’s radical views about the place of faith in American life,” the group concludes.

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2013/06/20/Obama-catholic-AMericans-religious-freedom

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-Celestial-
by Pepperlynn on Jun. 22, 2013 at 4:42 AM
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Blarney! The Faux Outrage Over Obama’s Belfast Comments

An expression of hope for Catholic and Protestant school communities is fodder for yet another manufactured scandal twisted into place by the president’s context-deaf opponents.

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Obama doesn't have a problem with Catholics. (Spencer Platt/Getty Images)

Consider this latest ineffable outrage making the rounds on conservative websites. Speaking in Belfast, Northern Ireland, on Monday to a mixed group of Catholic and Protestant schoolchildren, President Obama meandered through a eye-glazing history of Irish America and praised his host country, long beset by religious violence, for forging a fragile but lasting peace. It was paint-by-numbers stuff. But by Thursday, those indefatigable outrage hunters (who double as guardians of democracy and religious liberty) had extracted the following two sentences from Obama’s address:

“If towns remain divided—if Catholics have their schools and buildings, and Protestants have theirs—if we can’t see ourselves in one another, if fear or resentment are allowed to harden, that encourages division. It discourages cooperation.”

One would have to be a special kind of dunce to miss the context and message here. But the Internet is, unfortunately, full of dunces. Splashed across the Drudge Report, readers were told that Obama made an “alarming call for end to Catholic education.” Over at Breitbart.com, John Nolte hyperventilated about Obama’s “chilling” attack on religious education. The speech showed that “leftists like Obama loathe parochial schools because they put children outside of the reach of government,” and drop them into “an environment void of Bibles and trans-fat but loaded with condoms and victimhood.” If you thought some of the stock conservative bugbears were missing from this list, fear not. Nolte did, thankfully, get around to the president’s soft spot for Muslims: “Obama singles out Catholic and Protestant schools, and not Islamic schools.”

Oh dear, oh dear.

Perhaps there is some Prism-like computer program that produces this type of rote outraged prose, hitting the key themes of identity politics, religious persecution, and government intervention into what we—or the children of Northern Ireland—are allowed to consume (It’s worth pointing that I, too, am opposed to all of these things). Need I even mention that Muslims, for reasons of history and geography, chose to sit out the brutal sectarian war that consumed Northern Ireland for 30 years?

Not to be outdumbed, the popular conservative blog Gateway Pundit was so shocked—and outraged—that it adorned its headline with a phony quote (“WHOA! Barack Obama Knocks Catholic Schools: ‘Catholic Education Divides People and Blocks Peace’”) and claimed that the actually boring and banal speech contained “one of Obama’s most outrageous comments ever.”

Need I even mention that Muslims, for reasons of history and geography, chose to sit out the brutal sectarian war that consumed Northern Ireland for 30 years?

And it wasn’t just the conservative blogosphere. A Washington Examiner headline blared: “Obama disses Catholic schools.” CNS News offered this subtle opening paragraph: “Likening religious schools to segregation—a racist system that forced blacks to attend different schools and use different facilities than whites in the American South—President Barack Obama told a town-hall meeting for youth in Belfast, Northern Ireland…” Townhall.com wondered: “Does this signal hostility to Catholic education in America—or hostility to religious education in general?” The Media Research Center said that President Obama opened up a European front in “his War on Christianity.”

You get the idea.

The sectarian nature of education—and public funding of religiously segregated schools—has long been a sore point in Ulster and the president simplified a hugely complex situation by suggesting that more community integration would erase tensions between the two communities. This is “We Are the World” nonsense. As one local Catholic bishop told the Catholic Register, “We all welcome the president’s presence, but would encourage his speechwriters to support a less hackneyed analysis of our situation and prospects.”

But such calls for an end to everyday sectarianism are so common in North Ireland that the Belfast Telegraph mentioned the school line only in passing; its editorialists ignored it entirely. The churn of news, though, demands fresh outrages—a simple accomplishment when you either have no knowledge of history or have decided that context rudely intrudes upon your predetermined narrative. (That Breitbart post, for instance, makes no mention of the Troubles.)

After Obama’s speech, a columnist for the Belfast Telegraph happily observed that, with the Troubles effectively over, “we really don’t feature much at all in the American news coverage.” It’s a point perfectly underscored by the sputtering outrage hunters, who seem to have already forgotten about a little religious war between Catholics and Protestants that took 3,600 lives.

FULL ARTICLE AT NEWSWEEK

DieselsMom
by on Jun. 22, 2013 at 5:07 AM
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HELL YEAH!!!! I am not Catholic, nor do I agree with some catholic teachings, but this is just STUPID!! Go Get 'Em Pope!!!

Donna6503
by Gold Member on Jun. 22, 2013 at 5:26 AM
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Northern Ireland, the Catholics and their sick "IRA" (Irish Republican Army) made that place hell for years.

So for people, on this forum, to rant and rave about the "evil" of Middle East terrorism and than give praise to the Catholics, in any sort of fashion, when talking about Ireland and Northern Ireland, is just plain sick. But, it is just another sign of how these ladies love to serve their evil lord of Hate.

Bonita131
by Bronze Member on Jun. 22, 2013 at 6:02 AM
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As usual the religious wing nuts take something that is said and twist it into something that wasn't said, then scream, shame, shame, we want this persons blood! 

What a joke. How can a religious sect and church of shame even think to be outraged at what anyone else says? What hypocrites they are. The fact they still support a church/religion where so many innocent children have been molested, and will continue to be molested, is an outrage in itself.

Arroree
by Ruby Member on Jun. 22, 2013 at 6:02 AM
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Wait, so people are tying to claim that saying two forms of Christianity need to get along and stop dividing a country in violence and hate is anti-religion? 

What idiocy.

It takes a special kind of stupid to turn a message of peace and love into this drama.

Della529
by Matlock on Jun. 22, 2013 at 7:39 AM
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 Twist, twist...spin, spin...slant, slant

Stupid.  Stupid.  Stupid.

 

TCgirlatheart
by TC on Jun. 22, 2013 at 7:40 AM
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Thank you. In Northern Ireland, where this division has cost/threatened lives, his remarks aren't too far off point.

Quoting -Celestial-:

Blarney! The Faux Outrage Over Obama’s Belfast Comments

An expression of hope for Catholic and Protestant school communities is fodder for yet another manufactured scandal twisted into place by the president’s context-deaf opponents.

1050437700

Obama doesn't have a problem with Catholics. (Spencer Platt/Getty Images)

Consider this latest ineffable outrage making the rounds on conservative websites. Speaking in Belfast, Northern Ireland, on Monday to a mixed group of Catholic and Protestant schoolchildren, President Obama meandered through a eye-glazing history of Irish America and praised his host country, long beset by religious violence, for forging a fragile but lasting peace. It was paint-by-numbers stuff. But by Thursday, those indefatigable outrage hunters (who double as guardians of democracy and religious liberty) had extracted the following two sentences from Obama’s address:

“If towns remain divided—if Catholics have their schools and buildings, and Protestants have theirs—if we can’t see ourselves in one another, if fear or resentment are allowed to harden, that encourages division. It discourages cooperation.”

One would have to be a special kind of dunce to miss the context and message here. But the Internet is, unfortunately, full of dunces. Splashed across the Drudge Report, readers were told that Obama made an “alarming call for end to Catholic education.” Over at Breitbart.com, John Nolte hyperventilated about Obama’s “chilling” attack on religious education. The speech showed that “leftists like Obama loathe parochial schools because they put children outside of the reach of government,” and drop them into “an environment void of Bibles and trans-fat but loaded with condoms and victimhood.” If you thought some of the stock conservative bugbears were missing from this list, fear not. Nolte did, thankfully, get around to the president’s soft spot for Muslims: “Obama singles out Catholic and Protestant schools, and not Islamic schools.”

Oh dear, oh dear.

Perhaps there is some Prism-like computer program that produces this type of rote outraged prose, hitting the key themes of identity politics, religious persecution, and government intervention into what we—or the children of Northern Ireland—are allowed to consume (It’s worth pointing that I, too, am opposed to all of these things). Need I even mention that Muslims, for reasons of history and geography, chose to sit out the brutal sectarian war that consumed Northern Ireland for 30 years?

Not to be outdumbed, the popular conservative blog Gateway Pundit was so shocked—and outraged—that it adorned its headline with a phony quote (“WHOA! Barack Obama Knocks Catholic Schools: ‘Catholic Education Divides People and Blocks Peace’”) and claimed that the actually boring and banal speech contained “one of Obama’s most outrageous comments ever.”

Need I even mention that Muslims, for reasons of history and geography, chose to sit out the brutal sectarian war that consumed Northern Ireland for 30 years?

And it wasn’t just the conservative blogosphere. A Washington Examiner headline blared: “Obama disses Catholic schools.” CNS News offered this subtle opening paragraph: “Likening religious schools to segregation—a racist system that forced blacks to attend different schools and use different facilities than whites in the American South—President Barack Obama told a town-hall meeting for youth in Belfast, Northern Ireland…” Townhall.com wondered: “Does this signal hostility to Catholic education in America—or hostility to religious education in general?” The Media Research Center said that President Obama opened up a European front in “his War on Christianity.”

You get the idea.

The sectarian nature of education—and public funding of religiously segregated schools—has long been a sore point in Ulster and the president simplified a hugely complex situation by suggesting that more community integration would erase tensions between the two communities. This is “We Are the World” nonsense. As one local Catholic bishop told the Catholic Register, “We all welcome the president’s presence, but would encourage his speechwriters to support a less hackneyed analysis of our situation and prospects.”

But such calls for an end to everyday sectarianism are so common in North Ireland that the Belfast Telegraph mentioned the school line only in passing; its editorialists ignored it entirely. The churn of news, though, demands fresh outrages—a simple accomplishment when you either have no knowledge of history or have decided that context rudely intrudes upon your predetermined narrative. (That Breitbart post, for instance, makes no mention of the Troubles.)

After Obama’s speech, a columnist for the Belfast Telegraph happily observed that, with the Troubles effectively over, “we really don’t feature much at all in the American news coverage.” It’s a point perfectly underscored by the sputtering outrage hunters, who seem to have already forgotten about a little religious war between Catholics and Protestants that took 3,600 lives.

FULL ARTICLE AT NEWSWEEK

candlegal
by Judy on Jun. 22, 2013 at 7:45 AM
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Obama Divides, Not Catholic Education

According to the President of the United States of America—a nation which was founded on the principle of religious liberty—religious schools encourage division, fear, and resentment.

In Northern Ireland for the G8 Summit, President Obama sent a clear message to the Catholic Church and people of faith everywhere. During a speech to 2,000 young people, Obama said: "If towns remain divided, if Catholics have their schools and buildings and Protestants have theirs, if we can’t see ourselves in one another, if fear or resentment are allowed to harden, that encourages division, it discourages co-operation."

Just two days before Obama made his comments, Archbishop Gerhard Mueller, Prefect of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, spoke to a crowd in Glasgow, Scotland. Mueller told his listeners that religious education upholds the dignity of the human person, and Catholic schools should promote “all that is good in the philosophies of societies and human culture.” Mueller said that Catholic education is “a critical component of the Church.”

In addition, Mueller advocated for an understanding of “Catholic” which includes the breadth of “all that is good in the philosophies of societies and human culture.” The archbishop spoke of relativism as a threat to education because the objects of education—the true and the good—“stand in some way outside the person” and are transcendent.

“A danger in the relativism of modern society is the assumption that human freedom essentially entails creating one’s own truth and moral good.”

Mueller said that the implications of relativism “would lead to the breakdown of society... if pursued to their logical conclusion.”

How ironic—and perhaps providential—that Archbishop Mueller spoke his faith-filled words in Scotland at about the same time President Obama spoke his words of sabotage in Ireland.

As is often the case, Obama begins his process of undermining faith, the Constitution—whatever—by speaking to young people, hoping to divide them from those who will hand down the traditions and the culture to them. In truth, it is Obama—not faith or the Church—who is the Great Divider, the promoter of class warfare, envy, racism, etc.

It is sometimes very striking that we see a President who is so blinded by his ideology that he is simply unable to see the truth. His is on a mission to dismantle and undercut what is important to human life and existence. His sense of well-being is dependent on this power to divide and undermine.

The contrast of these two speeches characterizes the battle that is being fought in America under the Obama administration. The question remains whether Americans and the Church are willing to fight it.


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mikiemom
by Ruby Member on Jun. 22, 2013 at 7:47 AM
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exactly, I don't expect anything better of this poster.

Quoting Arroree:

Wait, so people are tying to claim that saying two forms of Christianity need to get along and stop dividing a country in violence and hate is anti-religion? 

What idiocy.

It takes a special kind of stupid to turn a message of peace and love into this drama.


 

candlegal
by Judy on Jun. 22, 2013 at 7:56 AM
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President Obama’s Belfast Blarney

During his recent stay in Northern Ireland, Barack Obama made clear his disdain for Catholic education, claiming Catholic schools are divisive institutions that hinder peace. It was likely among the most shocking and classless attacks against the Catholic Church by any American president of the modern era – words spoken by Barack Obama right after a high ranking representative of the church praised Catholic education in Ireland. - The Ulsterman Report



Obama Giving Speech in Ireland

Ken Blackwell and Bob Morrison, Contributing Authors: President Obama’s recent trip to the G-8 Summit in Belfast, Northern Ireland, included an address at the Waterfront hall. There, he criticized Catholic and Protestant schools and compared them to segregated schools in the U.S. when he was a boy. His remarks were hailed by British atheists. They took his speech for what it was: an attack on faith-based education everywhere.

Mr. Obama told an audience in Belfast’s Waterfront hall:

Because issues like segregated schools and housing, lack of jobs and opportunity--symbols of history that are a source of pride for some and pain for others--these are not tangential to peace; they’re essential to it," said Obama. "If towns remain divided--if Catholics have their schools and buildings, and Protestants have theirs--if we can’t see ourselves in one another, if fear or resentment are allowed to harden, that encourages division. It discourages cooperation.

We cannot hear him liken Catholic and Protestant schools to racial segregation in America without a sense of alarm. Clearly, President Obama dismisses religious freedom as a basis for parents’ choosing different schools for their own children.

Mr. Obama’s own grandparents exercised their choice in sending him to Honolulu’s prestigious school, Punahou Academy. This pricey ($20,000/year) prep school was founded by Congregationalist missionaries. With roots in the faith-based community, it hardly qualifies as a segregation academy. Similarly, the president and Mrs. Obama have chosen Washington, D.C.’s very tony Sidwell Friends school for their daughters. They have every right to do so, but no one would credit this Quaker-founded school as part of a segregation system.

Mr. Obama has been zealous in trying to block other parents’ exercise of education choice. His administration has been eager to shut down Washington, D.C.’s Opportunity Scholarships. This program permits low-income parents of area students to choose a private or parochial school for their kids. Most of these scholarships go to minority students and many of them choose Catholic schools where a majority of their classmates are non-Catholic.

It is a shocking thing for the President of the United States to show such open hostility to faith-based schooling. As their motto goes, these are “schools you can believe in.” And the record of religious schools in America is a great one.

We need to see Mr. Obama’s comments in the context of his other polcies. His administration is pushing for ever more pre-K programs nationwide. Despite the documented failure of Head Start, he wants to enlist more very young children in school programs that will replace church-based child care and care in the home.

This is what secularists have wanted in our country, too: All children under the guise of the all-powerful state. This has always been a goal of Marxists.

We should not be surprised that President Obama, who attended Marxist scholars conferences in New York City when he was a student at Columbia University in 1983,
is so openly hostile to schools you can believe in.

The fact is that in Northern Ireland, the religious schools have been leaders in reconciling historic antagonisms. And this is true in America, too. Here, for example, Evangelicals, Lutherans, Orthodox Christians and Orthodox Jews have joined with Catholics in resisting the menacing HHS Mandate. That mandate is the gravest threat to religious freedom in this country since 1786.

Mr. Obama should re-read his Constitutional Law texts. There, he would find the landmark ruling of the Supreme Court in 1925, in Pierce v. Society of Sisters. The KKK had pushed through an Oregon referendum that outlawed private and religious schools.

Unconstitutional said the high Court:

The fundamental theory of liberty upon which all governments of this Union rest excludes any general power of the State to standardize its children by forcing them to accept instruction from public teachers only.

President Obama continues his relentless drive to “fundamentally transform America.” He does not appreciate the historic fact that religious freedom was the foundation for civil liberty in our country. Washington, Jefferson, and Madison all believed this. So did Protestants, Catholics, and Jews of the Founding Era. Respect for the convictions of others does not breed hostility. It is the beginning of civility.

The Pierce Court concluded with this ringing affirmation of parental rights and religious freedom:

The child is not the mere creature of the State; those who nurture him and direct his destiny have the right, coupled with the high duty, to recognize and prepare him for additional obligations.

Those “obligations” included then, and continue to include, our obligations to our Creator.

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