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Some Catholic countries more accepting of homosexuality than the US

Posted by on Jul. 2, 2013 at 5:01 PM
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Some Catholic Countries More Accepting of Homosexuality Than the United States

When it comes to acceptance of LGBT people, the United States is far from being the most tolerant country in the world.

According to a report released last week by the Pew Research Center, attitudes about homosexuality in society vary widely based on geography — but less by religion than you might expect. Pew asked more than 37,000 participants in 39 countries whether “homosexuality should be accepted or rejected by society,” and found widespread geographical differences in responses.

The Washington Post summarizes the findings:

The broadest acceptance was found in countries where religion is not central to life, such as Canada (80 percent), France (77 percent) and Australia (79 percent). Yet the poll also found high levels of tolerance toward gay people in some heavily Catholic countries, including Spain (86 percent), Italy (74 percent), Argentina (74 percent) and the Philippines (73 percent). In the United States, 60 percent of the public said gay people should be accepted in society.

It’s interesting to paint France as a country where religion isn’t a major influence, considering conservative Catholics have been at the forefront of an often violent movement protesting the country’s new marriage equality law. However, while Catholic countries seem to be erring on the side of acceptance, Muslim countries are not:

In contrast, there was widespread rejection of homosexuality in predominantly Muslim countries, as well as in Africa, Russia and parts of Asia. In most of the Middle East, including Egypt and Jordan, more than nine in 10 people said homosexuality should be rejected. That was also the case in most of Africa, including Kenya, Uganda and Nigeria…

Israel in particular illustrated the role religion plays in attitudes toward gay people.Six in 10 secular Jews in Israel told Pew that homosexuality should be accepted, more than twice the 26 percent of religious and ultra-Orthodox Jews who urged acceptance. Just 2 percent of Israeli Muslims agreed.

Pew reports that attitudes toward homosexuality have been generally stable over the last six years in most countries — except in the U.S., Canada, and South Korea, where acceptance has shot up by more than 10% each, and in France, Russia, and Turkey, where it’s dropped a few points.

Why the discrepancy between acceptance rates in countries with similarly huge religious influences? Gary Gates, a demographer with the Williams Institute at UCLA, told the Post it’s less about the legal standing of LGBT people in a certain country and more about the culture of a religion:

“There are cultures where religion is a very, very important factor, as a regular part of daily life,” he said. “In those countries, it’s harder to distinguish what’s religious and what’s culture. But in other countries, like Italy or Spain, the culture has always had a live-and-let-live dimension to it. Even with a very strong religious presence, you see that kind of attitude coming out.”

What I gather from this is that even the world’s most Catholic countries (hello, Spain and Italy!) are more tolerant of LGBT people than the United States, and that’s a little scary. According to these numbers, the U.S. touts itself as far more accepting — and more secular — than it actually is.

This article seems to say that legal equality for LGBT people doesn’t have a great deal of influence on acceptance of homosexuality, like in South Africa, where anti-gay discrimination is unconstitutional, yet 60% of the population doesn’t accept homosexuality. As the U.S. moves closer to ending DOMA and Prop 8 and abolishing discrimination in other ways, I can only hope we prove that trend wrong.

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romalove
by Roma on Jul. 2, 2013 at 5:10 PM

It's interesting that in this forum, the Christians are the most vocal against gay marriage or homosexual acceptance, but in this article, the Muslim countries are the ones most against homosexual acceptance.

I wonder if American Muslims, which are what most of the Muslims in this forum consist of, are more tolerant than Muslims in Muslim countries, and if so, why?

FromAtoZ
by AllieCat on Jul. 2, 2013 at 5:11 PM

Interesting.


muslimahpj
by Ruby Member on Jul. 2, 2013 at 5:30 PM


Quoting romalove:

It's interesting that in this forum, the Christians are the most vocal against gay marriage or homosexual acceptance, but in this article, the Muslim countries are the ones most against homosexual acceptance.

I wonder if American Muslims, which are what most of the Muslims in this forum consist of, are more tolerant than Muslims in Muslim countries, and if so, why?

I dont know if American born muslims or converts are more tolerant or not. 

Islam holds pretty much the same views on homosexuality as christianity, the difference is most American muslims arent trying to make their religion the law of the land. 

Regardless of my religious beliefs, it's not my place to deny rights to other people and it's not my place to push my beliefs on others.

romalove
by Roma on Jul. 2, 2013 at 5:41 PM


Quoting muslimahpj:


Quoting romalove:

It's interesting that in this forum, the Christians are the most vocal against gay marriage or homosexual acceptance, but in this article, the Muslim countries are the ones most against homosexual acceptance.

I wonder if American Muslims, which are what most of the Muslims in this forum consist of, are more tolerant than Muslims in Muslim countries, and if so, why?

I dont know if American born muslims or converts are more tolerant or not. 

Islam holds pretty much the same views on homosexuality as christianity, the difference is most American muslims arent trying to make their religion the law of the land. 

Regardless of my religious beliefs, it's not my place to deny rights to other people and it's not my place to push my beliefs on others.

I asked the question because these were responses by people in the countries, not based on country laws or anything.

muslimahpj
by Ruby Member on Jul. 2, 2013 at 5:50 PM
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Quoting romalove:


Quoting muslimahpj:


Quoting romalove:

It's interesting that in this forum, the Christians are the most vocal against gay marriage or homosexual acceptance, but in this article, the Muslim countries are the ones most against homosexual acceptance.

I wonder if American Muslims, which are what most of the Muslims in this forum consist of, are more tolerant than Muslims in Muslim countries, and if so, why?

I dont know if American born muslims or converts are more tolerant or not. 

Islam holds pretty much the same views on homosexuality as christianity, the difference is most American muslims arent trying to make their religion the law of the land. 

Regardless of my religious beliefs, it's not my place to deny rights to other people and it's not my place to push my beliefs on others.

I asked the question because these were responses by people in the countries, not based on country laws or anything.

I know, Im just giving my thougths on it.

muslimah
by on Jul. 2, 2013 at 5:51 PM

 Wells it's definatly changing. It does not have no where near the stigma it had when I was kid. When I was growing up it was big deal if someone was gay and they were shunned, ridiculed, humiliated openly by just about everyone. I know they still are to a point but it is nothing like it was 20, 30 years ago. not too far from here they have a city Ferndale Michigan and there are more gay people then there are straight. there are plenty of gay bars, gay churches, they have gay gatherings, block parties, and parades and not only gay attend but straights come out in hundreds and pack the streets right along side of them showing their support.

xxbabigurlxx
by Member on Jul. 2, 2013 at 5:52 PM
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I notice that Ireland is not in that chart above. But I feel as though being Irish and living in Ireland, we accept gay people. I know loads of gay people in Ireland that are out and proud and not facing any difficulty as I know. I think Ireland is accepting of gay people. I dont know about America though because I have never lived there

muslimah
by on Jul. 2, 2013 at 5:59 PM
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Quoting romalove:

It's interesting that in this forum, the Christians are the most vocal against gay marriage or homosexual acceptance, but in this article, the Muslim countries are the ones most against homosexual acceptance.

I wonder if American Muslims, which are what most of the Muslims in this forum consist of, are more tolerant than Muslims in Muslim countries, and if so, why?

 Just as it is a sin in Christianity it is a grave sin Islam too. The difference is most Muslims rather just mind their own business and live their own life and let others live theirs as they fit and that is one reason why I very rarely go to a gay post. I am pretty much ignorant to the gay life style meaning I have never been exposed to it, I am not in support of it but at the same time I believe it is not right to ridicule someone for choices they make that are not my business.

romalove
by Roma on Jul. 2, 2013 at 6:01 PM


Quoting muslimah:

 

Quoting romalove:

It's interesting that in this forum, the Christians are the most vocal against gay marriage or homosexual acceptance, but in this article, the Muslim countries are the ones most against homosexual acceptance.

I wonder if American Muslims, which are what most of the Muslims in this forum consist of, are more tolerant than Muslims in Muslim countries, and if so, why?

 Just as it is a sin in Christianity it is a grave sin Islam too. The difference is most Muslims rather just mind their own business and live their own life and let others live theirs as they fit and that is one reason why I very rarely go to a gay post. I am pretty much ignorant to the gay life style meaning I have never been exposed to it, I am not in support of it but at the same time I believe it is not right to ridicule someone for choices they make that are not my business.

I understand it is considered a sin in both religions.

My point was, in this forum, the Muslimahs seem more tolerant than the picture painted of those Muslim countries in the OP.

muslimah
by on Jul. 2, 2013 at 6:06 PM

 

Quoting romalove:


Quoting muslimah:

 

Quoting romalove:

It's interesting that in this forum, the Christians are the most vocal against gay marriage or homosexual acceptance, but in this article, the Muslim countries are the ones most against homosexual acceptance.

I wonder if American Muslims, which are what most of the Muslims in this forum consist of, are more tolerant than Muslims in Muslim countries, and if so, why?

 Just as it is a sin in Christianity it is a grave sin Islam too. The difference is most Muslims rather just mind their own business and live their own life and let others live theirs as they fit and that is one reason why I very rarely go to a gay post. I am pretty much ignorant to the gay life style meaning I have never been exposed to it, I am not in support of it but at the same time I believe it is not right to ridicule someone for choices they make that are not my business.

I understand it is considered a sin in both religions.

My point was, in this forum, the Muslimahs seem more tolerant than the picture painted of those Muslim countries in the OP.

 Well unless I am reading it wrong I believe those numbers in chart above are base answers people gave when asked their opinion. Nobody here has ever asked my opinion and don't feel it is my business to volunteer my opinions on how other choose to their lives.

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