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Homicide convictions upheld for Wisconsin parents who treated dying daughter with prayer

Posted by on Jul. 4, 2013 at 7:27 PM
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Homicide convictions upheld for Wisconsin parents who treated dying daughter with prayer

Rob Orcutt / AP

Leilani and Dale Neumann during their trial in May 2008.

A deeply religious Wisconsin couple who prayed over their dying daughter rather than seek medical help were properly convicted of homicide, the state Supreme Court decided Wednesday. 

Kara Neumann, 11, of Weston, Wis., died March 23, 2008 — Easter Sunday — of complications of untreated juvenile onset diabetes.

According to the case records, Kara had been showing symptoms of exhaustion and dehydration for more than a week, but her parents, Dale and Leilani Neumann, refused to take her to a pediatrician, and decided to respond to her illness with prayer, not medicine.

A pediatrician testified that Kara's disease was highly treatable and that her chances of survival were high until "well into the day of her death."



The Neumanns don't belong to any particular church, but they identify as Pentecostals, according to factual findings in the court record, none of which the Neumanns disputed. Some Pentecostals — but by no means all — believe that prayer and strong religious belief can cure all illnesses, a tradition that helped give rise to famous "faith healers" like Oral Roberts and Benny Hinn.

As Kara weakened, the Neumanns asked family and friends to pray for her, too. The day before his daughter died, Dale Neumann posted a message on a Christian listserv with the subject line "Help our daughter needs emergency prayer!!!"

"We need agreement in prayer over our youngest daughter, who is very weak and pale at the moment with hardly any strength," the message said.

The next day, Easter Sunday, at least two family friends called 911 on Kara's behalf. Paramedics found no pulse, and attempts to revive Kara at the hospital failed.

Dale Neumann testified that he knew Kara was sick but never thought she might die. In fact, he testified that he thought that Jesus would bring her back from the dead, as he did with Lazarus in the Gospel of John.

Wisconsin is among 17 states that allow religious defenses against felony charges of crimes against children, according to records compiled by Children's Healthcare Is a Legal Duty, a nonprofit activist group that opposes religious exceptions to child health and safety laws.

The Neumanns contended that their convictions were unconstitutional because of the state's law that allows residents to pursue "treatment through prayer." They said the law clashed with the state's reckless homicide law, which calls for intervention when someone is at a point of "substantial risk of death.

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Because Kara's symptoms were hard to identify, they argued, they had no way to know when their prayer decision crossed the line into crime.


But the Supreme Court disagreed in a 6-1 ruling, upholding the Neumanns' sentences, which call for each of them to serve a month in jail every year for six years and 10 years' probation.

"If we were to adopt the parents' reasoning, no prayer-treating parent would know what point is beyond 'a substantial risk of death' until the child actually stopped breathing and died," Chief Justice Shirley Abrahamson wrote.

Steven Miller, Dale Neumann's attorney, criticized Wednesday's decision as having "essentially gutted the faith healing privilege under the child abuse statute."

But he told The Milwaukee Journal-Sentinel that the couple haven't decided whether to take their appeal to the U.S. Supreme Court.

"They lost their child," Miller said. "Obviously, that was an extreme tragedy. They never expected that. To deal with a criminal trial, felony convictions and a very long appeal process, it's been painful."

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emeraldangel20
by on Jul. 4, 2013 at 7:29 PM
as i said in another post, good!
angelachristine
by Bronze Member on Jul. 4, 2013 at 7:30 PM
Good
muslimah
by on Jul. 4, 2013 at 8:18 PM
1 mom liked this

 Binny Hinn, seriously? Now that's a name I haven't heard in awhile.

AlekD
by Gold Member on Jul. 4, 2013 at 8:19 PM
good.
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sweet-a-kins
by Emerald Member on Jul. 4, 2013 at 8:23 PM
TELEVANGELIST BENNY HINN
Heckled at Airport
'WORLD'S GREATEST SCAMMER'
YOU GOTTA SEE THIS!!!


Televangelist Benny Hinn is a legendary scam artist who steals sick people's social security checks in the name of bogus faith healing -- at least according to one loudmouthed heckler at LAX, who's damn lucky Hinn's security didn't kick his ass.

60-year-old Hinn was making his way through LAX Friday with 5 bodyguards when the heckler sounded off ... big time ... calling Hinn the "world's greatest scammer" among other things. The man then continues his tirade after Hinn gives him the cold shoulder. Watch the clip.

But despite some death stares from Hinn's security, the man was left unscathed , which is surprising ... because Hinn's previous heckler wasn't so lucky.

Benny Hinn -- scam artist?

  •  Yes
  •  No
One of Hinn's close advisers tells TMZ, Hinn's security had pounced on another heckler just days before in Brazil when the man threatened the master pastor during a sermon.

Hinn's rep says the heckler was "peacefully removed" from Hinn's audience ... but when the man became violent, he had to be "subdued." And you know what that means.

In the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Beatdown.



Read more: http://www.tmz.com/2013/07/01/televangelist-benny-hinn-heckled-airport-worlds-greatest-scammer/#ixzz2Y7sEToFT 
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Quoting muslimah:

 Binny Hinn, seriously? Now that's a name I haven't heard in awhile.


RandRMomma
by Maya on Jul. 4, 2013 at 8:25 PM
Good.

Benny Hinn is one of the biggest scam artists out there. I know so many that fall for his shit. I've been able to see through him since I was a young child.
muslimah
by on Jul. 4, 2013 at 8:29 PM
1 mom liked this

 

Quoting sweet-a-kins:

TELEVANGELIST BENNY HINN
Heckled at Airport
'WORLD'S GREATEST SCAMMER'
YOU GOTTA SEE THIS!!!


Televangelist Benny Hinn is a legendary scam artist who steals sick people's social security checks in the name of bogus faith healing -- at least according to one loudmouthed heckler at LAX, who's damn lucky Hinn's security didn't kick his ass.

60-year-old Hinn was making his way through LAX Friday with 5 bodyguards when the heckler sounded off ... big time ... calling Hinn the "world's greatest scammer" among other things. The man then continues his tirade after Hinn gives him the cold shoulder. Watch the clip.

But despite some death stares from Hinn's security, the man was left unscathed , which is surprising ... because Hinn's previous heckler wasn't so lucky.

Benny Hinn -- scam artist?

  •  Yes
  •  No
One of Hinn's close advisers tells TMZ, Hinn's security had pounced on another heckler just days before in Brazil when the man threatened the master pastor during a sermon.

Hinn's rep says the heckler was "peacefully removed" from Hinn's audience ... but when the man became violent, he had to be "subdued." And you know what that means.

In the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Beatdown.



Read more: http://www.tmz.com/2013/07/01/televangelist-benny-hinn-heckled-airport-worlds-greatest-scammer/#ixzz2Y7sEToFT 
Visit Fishwrapper: http://www.fishwrapper.com/

 

Quoting muslimah:

 Binny Hinn, seriously? Now that's a name I haven't heard in awhile.


 Ok I don't want to go too far and disrespect any ones faith so I think I will just keep my thoughts to my self .

liels898
by on Jul. 4, 2013 at 8:29 PM

Good! 

KGreen75
by Bronze Member on Jul. 4, 2013 at 8:30 PM
Good. They should have to spend the rest of their miserable lives in prison.

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mehamil1
by Platinum Member on Jul. 4, 2013 at 8:42 PM

This whole movement needs to be shaken up and the leaders need to be held accountable. 

These communities of adults can do whatever the fuck they want, dismiss all treatments for whatever. However, when it comes to their kids, they can't ignore that shit. 

When shit like this happens what I really want are for the authorities to go after the leaders of the churches or groups or whatever. Whoever planted this idea in their heads and continued to pressure the parents to not seek medical help. I could be wrong about this but I honestly don't see how a parent could watch their child die needlessly of something preventable unless there was an astronomical amount of pressure on them from the outside to toe the line. Excuse? Nope. They should have said fuck off assholes, my kid needs a doctor. But I do understand how powerful social pressure can be. 

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