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Spin OFF If Zimmerman was dead what would your verdict be.

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Question: Verdict

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Guilty and voted Zimmerman guilty on other poll

Not guilty and voted Zimmerman guilty on other poll

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So you have seen the trail. If all the info was the same except for Trayvon DID get Zimmerman's gun and shoot him. Claimed Zimmerman attacked him and they were fighting for the gun. What would vote in self defense verdict for Trayvon?

Please explain what evidence would lead you to your conclusion. 





 Jaliyah  My video here

by on Jul. 11, 2013 at 5:28 PM
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Sisteract
by Whoopie on Jul. 11, 2013 at 6:28 PM
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 You're a gun carrier, right?

If so, I can see why you believe the way that you do.

For those of us not packing 24/7, we find GZ's behaviors and decisions reckless and irresponsible. He put lives in dangers just because he decided this kid was another asshole, and this asshole was not going to get away.

It borders on vigilantism if you ask me.

Quoting DusterMommy:

It doesn't really matter either way because there is also not proof that GZ initiated contact.

Personally, I find GZs story both believable and somewhat understandable.


Quoting ReginaStar:

But "WHY" would anyone believe that TM initiated contact with GZ? You would think for anyone to believe that it would be based on some type of prof or motive. If not the scenario should not be "believed" to be accurate. 

Quoting DusterMommy:

No. I'm actually taking about the general belief that TM initiated physical contact. There is much dissension over who confronted whom, or how much damage was being done to GZ (not that it matters one iota) but I honestly haven't heard anyone claim that GZ punched TM to the ground first or something.





Quoting ReginaStar:

From my understanding the general belief you speak of is whether or not TM was banging his head into the ground. That doesn't mean he initiated the fight. The evidence does provide prof that Zimmerman had motive. He called the cops on an innocent by standard, he followed him. TM ran FROM him. Zimmerman had reason to assault TM. He was accusing him of wrong doing and wanted the police to get him before he was able to run away. 

Quoting DusterMommy:

I didn't say proof, I said general belief. I've yet to hear anyone seriously argue that GZ attacked/tackled/punched TM first... which lends to my thoughts that everyone is on board with the idea that TM was the initial aggressor.








Quoting ReginaStar:

Yes but not every single bit. If I missed this please tell me where I can find this b/c I have not seen prof that he attacked him. 

Quoting DusterMommy:

Watched any of the trial?











Quoting ReginaStar:


Quoting DusterMommy:

Well, first of all if it were reversed, we most likely wouldn't even know about it.









I voted guilty, even though I think GZ is not guilty. If EVERYTHING ELSE were the same, then the general belief would still be that TM threw the first punch. You can't start a fight and then kill in self defense.

Why would the general belief be that TM was the attacker? Where is the prof of this?














 

TruthSeeker.
by Milami on Jul. 11, 2013 at 6:31 PM
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 Who attacked who? If Trayvon was still the attacker and took Zimmermans gun and shot Zimmerman, I'd say Trayvon would be guilty of manslaughter.

ReginaStar
by Gold Member on Jul. 11, 2013 at 6:31 PM
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Will have to disagree. I think it very much matters when claiming self defense that you are actually the victim. 

Quoting DusterMommy:

It doesn't really matter either way because there is also not proof that GZ initiated contact.

Personally, I find GZs story both believable and somewhat understandable.


Quoting ReginaStar:

But "WHY" would anyone believe that TM initiated contact with GZ? You would think for anyone to believe that it would be based on some type of prof or motive. If not the scenario should not be "believed" to be accurate. 

Quoting DusterMommy:

No. I'm actually taking about the general belief that TM initiated physical contact. There is much dissension over who confronted whom, or how much damage was being done to GZ (not that it matters one iota) but I honestly haven't heard anyone claim that GZ punched TM to the ground first or something.





Quoting ReginaStar:

From my understanding the general belief you speak of is whether or not TM was banging his head into the ground. That doesn't mean he initiated the fight. The evidence does provide prof that Zimmerman had motive. He called the cops on an innocent by standard, he followed him. TM ran FROM him. Zimmerman had reason to assault TM. He was accusing him of wrong doing and wanted the police to get him before he was able to run away. 

Quoting DusterMommy:

I didn't say proof, I said general belief. I've yet to hear anyone seriously argue that GZ attacked/tackled/punched TM first... which lends to my thoughts that everyone is on board with the idea that TM was the initial aggressor.








Quoting ReginaStar:

Yes but not every single bit. If I missed this please tell me where I can find this b/c I have not seen prof that he attacked him. 

Quoting DusterMommy:

Watched any of the trial?











Quoting ReginaStar:


Quoting DusterMommy:

Well, first of all if it were reversed, we most likely wouldn't even know about it.









I voted guilty, even though I think GZ is not guilty. If EVERYTHING ELSE were the same, then the general belief would still be that TM threw the first punch. You can't start a fight and then kill in self defense.

Why would the general belief be that TM was the attacker? Where is the prof of this?



















 Jaliyah  My video here

DusterMommy
by Bronze Member on Jul. 11, 2013 at 6:34 PM
Actually, my thoughts have nothing to do with being a gun carrier. I'm a 911 dispatcher, and having had experience with people reporting suspicious persons (or crimes) I see his behaviors and reactions as completely typical. I've dealt with numerous calls that begin similarly - all the way down to the caller pursuing the suspect. Luckily, I've never had one end so tragically.


Quoting Sisteract:

 You're a gun carrier, right?


If so, I can see why you believe the way that you do.


For those of us not packing 24/7, we find GZ's behaviors and decisions reckless and irresponsible. He put lives in dangers just because he decided this kid was another asshole, and this asshole was not going to get away.


It borders on vigilantism if you ask me.


Quoting DusterMommy:

It doesn't really matter either way because there is also not proof that GZ initiated contact.

Personally, I find GZs story both believable and somewhat understandable.



Quoting ReginaStar:


But "WHY" would anyone believe that TM initiated contact with GZ? You would think for anyone to believe that it would be based on some type of prof or motive. If not the scenario should not be "believed" to be accurate. 


Quoting DusterMommy:

No. I'm actually taking about the general belief that TM initiated physical contact. There is much dissension over who confronted whom, or how much damage was being done to GZ (not that it matters one iota) but I honestly haven't heard anyone claim that GZ punched TM to the ground first or something.






Quoting ReginaStar:


From my understanding the general belief you speak of is whether or not TM was banging his head into the ground. That doesn't mean he initiated the fight. The evidence does provide prof that Zimmerman had motive. He called the cops on an innocent by standard, he followed him. TM ran FROM him. Zimmerman had reason to assault TM. He was accusing him of wrong doing and wanted the police to get him before he was able to run away. 


Quoting DusterMommy:

I didn't say proof, I said general belief. I've yet to hear anyone seriously argue that GZ attacked/tackled/punched TM first... which lends to my thoughts that everyone is on board with the idea that TM was the initial aggressor.









Quoting ReginaStar:


Yes but not every single bit. If I missed this please tell me where I can find this b/c I have not seen prof that he attacked him. 


Quoting DusterMommy:

Watched any of the trial?












Quoting ReginaStar:




Quoting DusterMommy:

Well, first of all if it were reversed, we most likely wouldn't even know about it.









I voted guilty, even though I think GZ is not guilty. If EVERYTHING ELSE were the same, then the general belief would still be that TM threw the first punch. You can't start a fight and then kill in self defense.

Why would the general belief be that TM was the attacker? Where is the prof of this?


















 


ReginaStar
by Gold Member on Jul. 11, 2013 at 6:34 PM
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Quoting TruthSeeker.:

 Who attacked who? If Trayvon was still the attacker and took Zimmermans gun and shot Zimmerman, I'd say Trayvon would be guilty of manslaughter.

You are assuming TM is the attacker rather than defending himself. Can I ask you. What evidence has been provided for you to assume that TM actually attacked GZ opposed to GZ being the initiator?





 Jaliyah  My video here

ashellbell
by shellbark on Jul. 11, 2013 at 6:36 PM
No idea
ladytee75
by Member on Jul. 11, 2013 at 6:40 PM

Im getting to involved in this case I just cant wait until it is over

TruthSeeker.
by Milami on Jul. 11, 2013 at 6:41 PM
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 I have my carry permit, though I do not carry since having children(I'm not comfortable with a loose gun in my purse and I don't wear clothing that I can easily conceal) and I think GZ behavior and decisions were Very reckless and irresponsible. GZ was an adult and should bear far more responsibility for what happened that night than a 17 yr old teenager that felt scared, stalked, and threatened by some grown man following him at night. GZ placed himself in a position for something bad to happen. You can't deliberately put yourself in a bad situation then kill someone and claim self defense. If you are worried about some strange person you don't know walking through your neighborhood, call the police and let them confront the person.

 People like GZ really piss me off. They grow giant balls and think because they have a gun they are now Joe Badass and can do and say whatever they want. That isn't the purpose of having a gun for protection. You don't use it as a backup to be pretend o cop.

 I know the question wasn't directed at me, but I just wanted to say that although I am able to carry and support carrying I agree completely with you regarding this case. 

Quoting Sisteract:

 You're a gun carrier, right?

If so, I can see why you believe the way that you do.

For those of us not packing 24/7, we find GZ's behaviors and decisions reckless and irresponsible. He put lives in dangers just because he decided this kid was another asshole, and this asshole was not going to get away.

It borders on vigilantism if you ask me.

Quoting DusterMommy:

It doesn't really matter either way because there is also not proof that GZ initiated contact.

Personally, I find GZs story both believable and somewhat understandable.


TruthSeeker.
by Milami on Jul. 11, 2013 at 6:47 PM

 

Quoting ReginaStar:


Quoting TruthSeeker.:

 Who attacked who? If Trayvon was still the attacker and took Zimmermans gun and shot Zimmerman, I'd say Trayvon would be guilty of manslaughter.

You are assuming TM is the attacker rather than defending himself. Can I ask you. What evidence has been provided for you to assume that TM actually attacked GZ opposed to GZ being the initiator?

  Is it your belief that TM did not attack GZ? The evidence, from the little that I've read, would be the trajectory of the shot with GZ being beneath TM and the back of GZ head being sliced open. If it happened as GM says and he was attacked first in this scenario I would say "if" it happened this way that TM would be guilty of manslaughter.

  What do you believe happened? Do you believe GZ shot TM in cold blood? Do you believe GM was the aggressor and attacked first and only pulled his weapon when he was getting his butt kicked?

  I've not watched the trial so I only have the reporting from the immediate days following the incident and what little I've read on CM and other news sites about it. If you have other information that supports GZ being the attacker I'd love to hear about it.

macbudsmom
by Silver Member on Jul. 11, 2013 at 6:58 PM
Yeah dont get that at all. His actions caused the death of a teen. He needs to be held accountable. I fear he wont be.


Quoting DusterMommy:

Oh, well we disagree there. I don't think GZ is guilty.




Quoting macbudsmom:

Yes its an effed up law. Legally he could technically be found innocent of murder... Morally he will suffer consequences.






Quoting DusterMommy:

^ Of course, now that someone told me that in FL someone can initiate a fight and then kill in self defense...NONE of what I said originally matters.



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