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Sequestered Zimmerman Jury can see and hear the protesters

Posted by on Jul. 13, 2013 at 2:41 PM
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I just asked on the HLN page:

  • Texassahm:  Just curious - Can the sequestered jury see these protests when they come in and out of the courthouse in the morning when they get there and in the evening when they go back to their hotel?
    • Victoria  the horrible part is yes-they heard them last night chanting when they left in their vans--sadly the case will be judged on emotions and not the law
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      **This is sad.  There is no way that jury can ignore the protesters and no matter if they see the GZ or TM supporters.  This HAS to have an effect on their decision - I hope it doesn't, but how can it not?
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    Sekirei
    by Nari Trickster on Jul. 13, 2013 at 2:43 PM

    wait, they aren't supposed to have access to stuff like that right now...

    tanyainmizzou
    by on Jul. 13, 2013 at 2:45 PM

    am I reading you wrong?   I don't think that tweet is from a juror but just someone there.


    Quoting Sekirei:

    wait, they aren't supposed to have access to stuff like that right now...



    Sekirei
    by Nari Trickster on Jul. 13, 2013 at 2:45 PM

    nope, I misread what you wrote :3

    Quoting tanyainmizzou:

    am I reading you wrong?   I don't think that tweet is from a juror but just someone there.


    Quoting Sekirei:

    wait, they aren't supposed to have access to stuff like that right now...




    texassahm
    by Bronze Member on Jul. 13, 2013 at 3:08 PM

    It's a Facebook message on the HLN site - I asked the question and then this Victoria person replied.  I get the impression she is local.  I asked her, but no reply yet.


    Quoting tanyainmizzou:

    am I reading you wrong?   I don't think that tweet is from a juror but just someone there.


    Quoting Sekirei:

    wait, they aren't supposed to have access to stuff like that right now...




    Happymamax2
    by Silver Member on Jul. 13, 2013 at 3:38 PM

    I heard there has never been more than 3 protesters at a time this whole month.... so it seems like a non-issue.

    TruthSeeker.
    by Milami on Jul. 13, 2013 at 4:30 PM
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     I would hate to be on that jury.

    tooptimistic
    by Kelly on Jul. 13, 2013 at 5:10 PM

    Wow, how is that even legal? 

    This could seen as threatening or trying to influence the jury.

    There shouldn't be protesters for either side where the jury can see or hear.  How are they supposed to make an decision if people are outside chanting "End racial oppression, Justice for Trayvon?"

    There is a time and place for everything, and outside the courthouse while the jury is deciding is neither the time nor the place!!

    I would scared to death if I were a juror and we had came to the decision of a not guilty verdict!!

    tooptimistic
    by Kelly on Jul. 13, 2013 at 5:11 PM

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    SANFORD, Fla. — Crowds gathered outside the courthouse Saturday as jurors in the George Zimmerman murder trial continued deliberations.

    Jurors reconvened Saturday morning, deliberated for three hours and then broke for lunch. They resumed their discussions about 1 p.m. ET.

    Outside supporters on both sides of the case shouted slogans, waved banners and even clashed at several points.

    As dark clouds thickened overhead mid-afternoon and a cooling breeze swept across the courthouse grounds there were a fresh series of chants from Trayvon Martin supporters.

    About 60 demonstrators began yelling in unison and waving signs, clustering around a large black-and-red banner reading "End Racial Oppression: Justice 4 Trayvon." The "o" in Trayvon was a silhouette of a hooded sweatshirt.

    "Convict George Zimmerman!" the demonstrators repeatedly chanted.

    "The people united will never be defeated!"

    "When I say George, you say guilty! George! Guilty! George! Guilty!"

    Fewer than 10 demonstrators carried signs supporting Zimmerman's cause.

    Sisters Melissa and Amy Waz of Tampa traveled to Sanford to rally in support of Zimmerman. Amy carried the sign "Self Defense Is A Basic Human Right," while Melissa wore a black "I Believe You Zimmerman" T-shirt and carried the sign "It Doesn't Matter What This Sign Says: You'll Call It Racism Anyway!"

    "We don't think this case should have ever been brought to trial. And if race hadn't been brought into it, we don't think it would have been," Waz said. "We think he deserves to go home to his family and live as much of a normal life as he can."

    Earlier in the day as a reporter interviewed Casey David Kole Sr., an Orlando retiree and Zimmerman supporter, a man nearby interrupted the interview.

    "I believe in George and what he stands for," Kole said. "The fact that he was the neighborhood watch (commander) on a voluntary basis — it proves to me that he's an upright citizen."

    That statement drew a rebuke from a nearby shirtless, young man who said he legally changed his name to Malcolm X. He held a sign that said "How Long Will 'They' Keep Cannibalizing The Black Male."

    "That's all it takes — the neighborhood watch — to be an upright citizen? If it was that simple," Malcolm X exclaimed, interrupting the interview.

    STORY: Zimmerman jury begins 2nd day of deliberations

    TIMELINE: Trayvon Martin-Zimmerman case

    STORIFY: Social media chatter from the Zimmerman trial

    Trayvon Martin supporters outside the Seminole County courthouse make mixed predictions on how the community will react if George Zimmerman is found not guilty of murder.

    Kole continued his interview, bringing up Trayvon Martin's school suspension. Malcolm X interrupted again, retorting that that does not mean Martin was a criminal.

    "Justice for George Zimmerman," Kole began chanting, strolling around the grassy plaza.

    Abby Cardona videotaped the two men.

    The 52-year-old Winter Springs woman said she wants to have a record of events for her 11-month-old granddaughter, Skylar. She plans to discuss the trial, and its impact on her community and country, when Skylar grows up.

    "You never know how history distorts facts," Cardona said. "There's a lot of passion ... I only hope that they exercise their First Amendment rights, but don't resort to violence. That's not going to solve anything."

    Two sign-waving demonstrators stood in the grassy plaza in front of the Seminole County Criminal Justice Center — ringed by 16 media cameramen and reporters.

    One of those demonstrators was Ed Wilson, a Lake Mary retiree displaying a colorful "We Love You George" sign with a peace symbol drawn on the back side.

    "Let the jury decide. I think they can do a fine job," he said. "I think he was a nice guy that just caught up in things. Unfortunate. Very unfortunate."

    Ed Wilson demonstrates in front of the Seminole County Courthouse in Sanford on Saturday.(Photo: Craig Bailey, FLORIDA TODAY)

    The other demonstrator, a Sanford DJ who performs at downtown bars, identified himself only as Chris F. His sign read "We Are Americans: Not Color!" He said he hopes his city remains peaceful after the verdict is announced.

    "Equality. We're not colored. We're all Americans. There's no black, white, no Hispanic, anything. We're all Americans," he said.

    "I hope that no riots break out, and people realize that it's just a case — just like any other case — and the law does what it does," he added.

    Chris and Mindy Drone of Sanford came out to see what they called the "three-ring circus." Their 9-year-old child stayed home after becoming scared of seeing images of demonstrators on TV.

    The actual number of demonstrators they saw live was lower than they expected. The Drones took photos, including snapshots of media trucks and tents nearby, which they plan to share via social media with family members.

    "I just wish they would come to a verdict so we can move on to something else," Mindy Drone said.

    "It's something you don't see every day," Chris Drone said. He believes George Zimmerman acted within his rights -- but he disagrees with the way the law is written.

    Charlotte friends Jasmine Tompkins, 18, an Air National Guardsman, and Khadejah Jackson, who turns 19 Monday and is a pre-law student at Regent University, dropped by the courthouse during their Orlando vacation. Tompkins said she relates to Trayvon Martin, and she does not think Zimmerman should walk away a free man.

    "Justice should be served, just because of the simple fact that someone my age died. He didn't get to live life. He didn't get to go to college. He didn't get to take trips — just like we're doing now — and go to Florida or someplace else and vacation," Tompkins said.

    Jackson agreed, but she voiced fears about the public's reaction to a verdict.

    "I personally think he should do some jail time. But if he doesn't, I just pray and hope for his safety," Jackson said. "I hope that no one tries to take justice into their own hands and do anything to him."

    "He is a person. He made a mistake. And I'm all about the peace right now," she added.

    Ansley DeRousha, 20, is a Sanford retail worker who lives about two miles away.

    "My belief is that two wrongs don't make a right," she said. "I really think that Trayvon and Zimmerman, they were both in the wrong. Trayvon shouldn't have come after him, and Zimmerman shouldn't have been following."

    Contributing: Mackenzie Ryan, Florida Today.

    Demonstrators shout slogans in front of the Seminole County Courthouse during jury deliberations in the trial of George Zimmerman, Saturday, in Sanford, Fla. Zimmerman has been charged with the 2012 shooting death of Trayvon Martin.(Photo: John Raoux AP)



    http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2013/07/13/zimmerman-jury-deliberations-draw-crowds/2514307/

    sweet-a-kins
    by Emerald Member on Jul. 13, 2013 at 5:26 PM
    So people from both sides are protesting

    No biggie


    Quoting tooptimistic:

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    SANFORD,
    Fla. — Crowds gathered outside the courthouse Saturday as jurors in the
    George Zimmerman murder trial continued deliberations.

    Jurors
    reconvened Saturday morning, deliberated for three hours and then broke
    for lunch. They resumed their discussions about 1 p.m. ET.

    Outside supporters on both sides of the case shouted slogans, waved banners and even clashed at several points.

    As
    dark clouds thickened overhead mid-afternoon and a cooling breeze swept
    across the courthouse grounds there were a fresh series of chants from
    Trayvon Martin supporters.

    About 60 demonstrators began yelling in
    unison and waving signs, clustering around a large black-and-red banner
    reading "End Racial Oppression: Justice 4 Trayvon." The "o" in Trayvon
    was a silhouette of a hooded sweatshirt.

    "Convict George Zimmerman!" the demonstrators repeatedly chanted.

    "The people united will never be defeated!"

    "When I say George, you say guilty! George! Guilty! George! Guilty!"

    Fewer than 10 demonstrators carried signs supporting Zimmerman's cause.

    Sisters
    Melissa and Amy Waz of Tampa traveled to Sanford to rally in support of
    Zimmerman. Amy carried the sign "Self Defense Is A Basic Human Right,"
    while Melissa wore a black "I Believe You Zimmerman" T-shirt and carried
    the sign "It Doesn't Matter What This Sign Says: You'll Call It Racism
    Anyway!"

    "We don't think this case should have ever been brought
    to trial. And if race hadn't been brought into it, we don't think it
    would have been," Waz said. "We think he deserves to go home to his
    family and live as much of a normal life as he can."

    Earlier in
    the day as a reporter interviewed Casey David Kole Sr., an Orlando
    retiree and Zimmerman supporter, a man nearby interrupted the interview.

    "I
    believe in George and what he stands for," Kole said. "The fact that he
    was the neighborhood watch (commander) on a voluntary basis — it proves
    to me that he's an upright citizen."

    That statement drew a rebuke
    from a nearby shirtless, young man who said he legally changed his name
    to Malcolm X. He held a sign that said "How Long Will 'They' Keep
    Cannibalizing The Black Male."

    "That's all it takes — the
    neighborhood watch — to be an upright citizen? If it was that simple,"
    Malcolm X exclaimed, interrupting the interview.

    STORY: Zimmerman jury begins 2nd day of deliberations

    TIMELINE: Trayvon Martin-Zimmerman case

    STORIFY: Social media chatter from the Zimmerman trial

    Trayvon
    Martin supporters outside the Seminole County courthouse make mixed
    predictions on how the community will react if George Zimmerman is found
    not guilty of murder.

    Kole continued
    his interview, bringing up Trayvon Martin's school suspension. Malcolm X
    interrupted again, retorting that that does not mean Martin was a
    criminal.

    "Justice for George Zimmerman," Kole began chanting, strolling around the grassy plaza.

    Abby Cardona videotaped the two men.

    The
    52-year-old Winter Springs woman said she wants to have a record of
    events for her 11-month-old granddaughter, Skylar. She plans to discuss
    the trial, and its impact on her community and country, when Skylar
    grows up.

    "You never know how history distorts facts," Cardona
    said. "There's a lot of passion ... I only hope that they exercise their
    First Amendment rights, but don't resort to violence. That's not going
    to solve anything."

    Two sign-waving demonstrators stood in
    the grassy plaza in front of the Seminole County Criminal Justice
    Center — ringed by 16 media cameramen and reporters.

    One of
    those demonstrators was Ed Wilson, a Lake Mary retiree displaying a
    colorful "We Love You George" sign with a peace symbol drawn on the back
    side.

    "Let the jury decide. I think they can do a fine job," he
    said. "I think he was a nice guy that just caught up in things.
    Unfortunate. Very unfortunate."

    Ed Wilson demonstrates in front of the Seminole County Courthouse in Sanford on Saturday.(Photo: Craig Bailey, FLORIDA TODAY)

    The
    other demonstrator, a Sanford DJ who performs at downtown bars,
    identified himself only as Chris F. His sign read "We Are Americans: Not
    Color!" He said he hopes his city remains peaceful after the verdict is
    announced.

    "Equality. We're not colored. We're all Americans.
    There's no black, white, no Hispanic, anything. We're all Americans," he
    said.

    "I hope that no riots break out, and people realize that
    it's just a case — just like any other case — and the law does what it
    does," he added.

    Chris and Mindy Drone of Sanford came out to see
    what they called the "three-ring circus." Their 9-year-old child stayed
    home after becoming scared of seeing images of demonstrators on TV.

    The
    actual number of demonstrators they saw live was lower than they
    expected. The Drones took photos, including snapshots of media trucks
    and tents nearby, which they plan to share via social media with family
    members.

    "I just wish they would come to a verdict so we can move on to something else," Mindy Drone said.

    "It's
    something you don't see every day," Chris Drone said. He believes
    George Zimmerman acted within his rights -- but he disagrees with the
    way the law is written.

    Charlotte friends Jasmine Tompkins, 18, an
    Air National Guardsman, and Khadejah Jackson, who turns 19 Monday and
    is a pre-law student at Regent University, dropped by the courthouse
    during their Orlando vacation. Tompkins said she relates to Trayvon
    Martin, and she does not think Zimmerman should walk away a free man.

    "Justice
    should be served, just because of the simple fact that someone my age
    died. He didn't get to live life. He didn't get to go to college. He
    didn't get to take trips — just like we're doing now — and go to Florida
    or someplace else and vacation," Tompkins said.

    Jackson agreed, but she voiced fears about the public's reaction to a verdict.

    "I
    personally think he should do some jail time. But if he doesn't, I just
    pray and hope for his safety," Jackson said. "I hope that no one tries
    to take justice into their own hands and do anything to him."

    "He is a person. He made a mistake. And I'm all about the peace right now," she added.

    Ansley DeRousha, 20, is a Sanford retail worker who lives about two miles away.

    "My
    belief is that two wrongs don't make a right," she said. "I really
    think that Trayvon and Zimmerman, they were both in the wrong. Trayvon
    shouldn't have come after him, and Zimmerman shouldn't have been
    following."

    Contributing: Mackenzie Ryan, Florida Today.

    Demonstrators
    shout slogans in front of the Seminole County Courthouse during jury
    deliberations in the trial of George Zimmerman, Saturday, in Sanford,
    Fla. Zimmerman has been charged with the 2012 shooting death of Trayvon
    Martin.(Photo: John Raoux AP)



    http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2013/07/13/zimmerman-jury-deliberations-draw-crowds/2514307/

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    tooptimistic
    by Kelly on Jul. 13, 2013 at 5:27 PM

    Just to be clear.. there shouldn't be any Zimmerman supporters either!!!



    Quoting tooptimistic:

    Wow, how is that even legal? 

    This could seen as threatening or trying to influence the jury.

    There shouldn't be protesters for either side where the jury can see or hear.  How are they supposed to make an decision if people are outside chanting "End racial oppression, Justice for Trayvon?"

    There is a time and place for everything, and outside the courthouse while the jury is deciding is neither the time nor the place!!

    I would scared to death if I were a juror and we had came to the decision of a not guilty verdict!!



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