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Are men the new second class citizens?

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Men -- the new second class citizens

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In November of last year, I wrote an article for Fox News called The War on Men (which I subsequently expanded to an eBook). To keep it pithy, in the piece I focused on one effect of this war: the lack of marriageable men. But there’s so much more to it. The truth is, men have become second-class citizens.

The most obvious proof is male bashing in the media. It is rampant and irrefutable. From sit-coms and commercials that portray dad as an idiot to biased news reports about the state of American men, males are pounced on left and right. And that’s just the beginning.

The war on men actually begins in grade school, where boys are at a distinct disadvantage. Not only are curriculums centered on girls’, rather than boys,’ interests, the emphasis in these grades is on sitting still at a desk. 

Plus, many schools have eliminated recess. Such an environment is unhealthy for boys, for they are active by nature and need to run around. And when they can’t sit still teachers and administrators often wrongly attribute their restlessness to ADD or ADHD. The message is clear: boys are just unruly girls.

The truth is, men have become second-class citizens.

Things are no better in college. There, young men face the perils of Title IX, the 1972 law designed to ban sex discrimination in all educational programs. 

Under Title IX, the ratio of female athletes is supposed to match the ratio of female students. So if not enough women sign up for, say, wrestling and ice hockey, well then: no more wrestling and ice hockey. 

What was once viewed equal opportunity for women has become something else altogether: a demand for equal outcomes. Those are not the same thing at all.

Title IX is also abused when it comes to sex. In 1977, a group of women at Yale used Title IX to claim sexual harassment and violence constitute discrimination against women. 

Genuine harassment and violence should be punishable offenses, obviously. But the college campus is a breeding ground for sexual activity, which makes determining wrongdoing (and using Title IX to prove it) extremely difficult. Sexual misconduct does not necessarily constitute harassment—and women have as much of a role to play as men do.

Here again men are in an impossible situation, for there’s an unspoken commandment when it comes to sex in America: thou shalt never blame the woman. If you’re a man who’s sexually involved with a woman and something goes wrong, it’s your fault. Simple as that.

Judith E. Grossman shed light on this phenomenon in a recent Wall Street Journal op-ed. A former feminist, Grossman concedes that in the past she would have expressed “unqualified support” for policies such as Title IX. But that was before her son was charged with “nonconsensual sex” by a former girlfriend.

“Title IX has obliterated the presumption of innocence that is so foundational to our traditions of justice. On today’s college campuses, neither “beyond a reasonable doubt,” nor even the lesser “by clear and convincing evidence” standard of proof, is required to establish guilt of sexual misconduct,” she writes.

When men become husbands and fathers, things get really bad. In family courts throughout America, men are routinely stripped of their rights and due process. The Violence Against Women Act (VAWA) is easily used against them since its definition of violence is so broad that virtually any conflict between partners can be considered abuse.

“If a woman gets angry for any reason, she can simply accuse a man and men are just assumed guilty in our society,” notes Dr. Helen Smith, author of the new book, "Men on Strike." This is particularly heinous since, as Smith adds, violence in domestic relations “is almost 50% from men and 50% from women.”

Shocked? If so, that’s in part because the media don’t believe men can be victims of domestic violence—so they don’t report it. They would rather feed off stories that paint women as victims. And in so doing, they’ve convinced America there’s a war on women.

Yet it is males who suffer in our society. From boyhood through adulthood, the White American Male must fight his way through a litany of taunts, assumptions and grievances about his very existence. His oppression is unlike anything American women have faced. Unlike women, however, men don’t organize and form groups when they’ve been persecuted. They just bow out of the game.

America needs to wake up. We have swung the pendulum too far in the other direction—from a man’s world to a woman’s world.

That’s not equality. That’s revenge.




Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2013/07/12/men-new-second-class-citizens/#ixzz2ZAFF6jAB


by on Jul. 15, 2013 at 8:36 PM
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Euphoric
by Bazinga! on Jul. 16, 2013 at 11:45 PM

 bump

Bookwormy
by Platinum Member on Jul. 17, 2013 at 8:48 AM
and this is relevant how? oh right it's not.

Quoting rayroe2:

So many run from God. Everyone is trying to justify their sins. This goes back to the circle of life! Certain things have to go a certain way so certain things do not happen.
tanyainmizzou
by on Jul. 17, 2013 at 8:51 AM
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I think you are very confused.  Women are allowed at Harvard and Notre Dame and have been for a very long time.

Quoting supercarp:

Long ago schools were taught just like today where children had to sit quietly and listen to words. The funny part of that is that girls weren't allowed to go to school. That is still true in some parts of the world. Some universities such as Harvard and Notre Dame still don't allow women. Women go to Radcliffe and St Mary's. Not as much prestige there.

Men aren't getting married because of their own choice not to be responsible for anyone's skin other than their own. We have raised them to value sex, sports and wealth and little else. Even Christian boys are being raised to care about their own belief system and not about how that belief system hurts women or society in general.

Of course this article came out of Fox News. They distort real life to where it's not recognizable.



stacymomof2
by Ruby Member on Jul. 17, 2013 at 9:00 AM
What a load of shit. Abd what a big fat lie about what title IX actually is. Full of lies.
Aestas
by Gold Member on Jul. 17, 2013 at 9:34 AM
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Dear Suzanne Venker, White Men Are Not 'Second-Class Citizens'

The Huffington Post  |  By  Posted:   |  Updated: 07/16/2013 3:22 pm EDT

White, American men are now second-class citizens.

That's the premise of an article Suzanne Venker posted on Fox News last week, a follow-up to her November 2012 piece about the "war on men." In this piece, Venker made a number of pretty astonishing claims about women, public policy and the state of gender equality.

Here are the three most confusing things she wrote:

1. Grade school curricula are based on girls' interests. Hmmm... We'd like to see some data on that, please. 

2. "Men don’t organize and form groups when they’ve been persecuted. They just bow out of the game." This claim also seems suspect. Men's rights groups are actually very visible on the Internet. Website A Voice For Men says that it works to "expose misandry on all levels in our culture," and there is also a popularReddit forum dedicated to men's issues -- frequented by male and female Redditorsalike. Whether or not their cause makes sense, these groups do exist -- and they make themselves heard.

3. White, male oppression is "unlike anything American women have faced." Perhaps this historically privileged group is no longer able to enjoy as many benefits as in the past, but is that really the same thing as systematic oppression?

Venker is entitled to her opinion -- but we can't help but think that some of her points are just factually unsound. There are nuanced, fascinating, important conversations to be had about American masculinity. But claiming that white men are "second-class citizens" doesn't really help anyone.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/07/16/suzanne-venker-men-second-class-citizens_n_3605156.html?utm_hp_ref=women&ir=Women

witchybabymomma
by Member on Jul. 17, 2013 at 10:02 AM

 I really don't see how school learning is geared toward "how girls learn", and find it false and am a litle offended by the statement implying girls are not as active as boys. I think all children need to opportunity for physical activity. In some areas I can see where men are at a disadvantage, but the same is still true for women as well.

rayroe2
by Bronze Member on Jul. 17, 2013 at 11:44 AM
It is.

Quoting Bookwormy:

and this is relevant how? oh right it's not.



Quoting rayroe2:

So many run from God. Everyone is trying to justify their sins. This goes back to the circle of life! Certain things have to go a certain way so certain things do not happen.
Bookwormy
by Platinum Member on Jul. 17, 2013 at 11:49 AM
*Dementor*

Quoting rayroe2:

It is.



Quoting Bookwormy:

and this is relevant how? oh right it's not.





Quoting rayroe2:

So many run from God. Everyone is trying to justify their sins. This goes back to the circle of life! Certain things have to go a certain way so certain things do not happen.
sharon.62
by on Jul. 17, 2013 at 11:55 AM

badi agree a war on men how about war in America with  in its self on are children families being tor-en apart do to lack of jobs how about war on disabled how people can just full them that's bull shit into days world...

muslimahpj
by Ruby Member on Jul. 18, 2013 at 12:00 AM

Quoting rayroe2:

It is.

Quoting Bookwormy:

and this is relevant how? oh right it's not.



Quoting rayroe2:

So many run from God. Everyone is trying to justify their sins. This goes back to the circle of life! Certain things have to go a certain way so certain things do not happen.


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