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REAL Pro-Life Bill That Forces Conservatives To Put Up Or Shut Up

Posted by on Jul. 18, 2013 at 3:10 AM
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'Pro-life?' Meet the man who challenges the Texas legislature to abolish the death penalty before enacting their anti-abortion bill. Texas State Rep. Harold Dutton Jr.

‘Pro-life?’ Meet the man who challenges the Texas legislature to abolish the death penalty before enacting their anti-abortion bill. Photo of Texas State Representative Harold Dutton Jr. from the Texas Tribune.

If you are like me, you may have often wondered how those who call themselves “pro-life” can claim to care deeply about unborn life on the one hand, yet approve of the death penalty on the other. It’s nice to know that we are not alone, especially after what the Texas legislature has done in the past week. One member of the Texas House has taken this to his Republican colleagues in the form of a new bill. State Rep. Harold Dutton, Jr. has introduced HB 45, which is a very simple bill:

BE IT ENACTED BY THE LEGISLATURE OF THE STATE OF TEXAS: SECTION 1.  Chapter 170, Health and Safety Code, is amended by adding Section 170.003 to read as follows: Sec. 170.003.  LIMITATION ON ADDITIONAL ABORTION RESTRICTIONS. Notwithstanding any other law, a law enacted on or after June 1, 2013, that restricts access to abortion or the availability of abortion does not take effect until 60 days after publication in the Texas Register of a finding of fact made by the attorney general that the state has abolished the use of the death penalty as a punishment available on final conviction of a criminal offense. SECTION 2.  This Act takes effect immediately if it receives a vote of two-thirds of all the members elected to each house, as provided by Section 39, Article III, Texas Constitution. If this Act does not receive the vote necessary for immediate effect, this Act takes effect on the 91st day after the last day of the legislative session.


Now, that’s what I call walking the talk. Well done, Mr. Dutton. Here is a man who understands what “pro-life” really means as opposed to the forced birthers who claim that they are “pro-life” yet they support a death penalty that has been proven to be unfair. Not only is it applied unfairly, the costs associated with executions are staggering: pursuing a death penalty case costs up to 20 times more than a life sentence. The death penalty is racist and there is no evidence that it acts as a deterrent.  The most damning fact, especially as applied to the pro-birth crowd, is that nearly every religion in America considers executions as being against their tenets. Oh sure, there are some passages in the Old Testament that are often used to justify the death penalty but most religious and interfaith organizationsregard it as immoral. Don’t take my word for it, read for yourself. I know my faith holds that executions are not in keeping with our belief system.

Texas accounts for 40% of all executions carried out in the United States. The state executed its 500th prisoner last month. Governor Rick Perry doesn’t seem to be bothered by this benchmark – he considers it a badge of honor that it occurred under his watch. To him, the Texas capital punishment system works “just fine” despite executing the mentally disabled, juveniles and even possibly innocent people.  But Perry doesn’t worry his pretty little head about that sort of thing, you see. He sleeps just fine knowing that his state is number one in executions because in Texas they are “going to support protecting life.” Folks, as they say down South, the boy just ain’t right.

As far as I’m concerned, Mr. Perry, if you don’t support caring for the poor, the sick, the elderly, if you don’t support contraception, childcare and education, if you don’t support health care for all then you are NOT pro-life. Pro-life means cherishing all life, not just giving lip service to it by holding a cluster of cells as having more rights than the woman who carries it. If you can’t commit to including all life in your heart, then please STFU. Because you are not pro-life when you continue to murder human beings in your death chambers. Here’s hoping that enough Texas legislators realize what pro-life really means and that Representative Dutton’s bill passes.



Read more: http://www.addictinginfo.org/2013/07/17/texas-real-pro-life-bill/#ixzz2ZNXOvnpU

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smalltownmom03
by Member on Jul. 18, 2013 at 3:14 AM
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How is the death penalty racist?
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Meadowchik
by Silver Member on Jul. 18, 2013 at 4:31 AM
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 Hogwash.

First of all, even if one disagrees with the death penalty, it is not equivalent to abortion.  It is a penalty for murderes found guily in a court of law, while the unborn are completely innocent.

Second of all, I haven't seen Pro-Choice individuals or organisations like Planned Parenthood agree to ban abortions as long as other "pro-life' legislation (like healthcare and welfare programs) are advanced.  I haven't seen any promises of this sort, so the demands for pro-lifers to do things like support paid maternity leave and contraception in order to be "truly pro-life" turn out being a cynical and contemptuous game of chicken. 

 

AdrianneHill
by Platinum Member on Jul. 18, 2013 at 5:01 AM
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Yes, the appalling idea that if all life is precious, then it all must be protected, not just those who haven't yet drawn a breath.
I used to be very pro death penalty and theoretically, I am still but the death penalty in practice is an ineffective and flawed system. Innocent people are killed by the state far too often in the name of justice served and the death penalty is painfully racist when objectively looked at how it had been applied in our country. Plea deals also ensure that the guilty escape true punishment as they race to throw each other under the bus so the get away driver is just as likely to receive the death penalty while the actual shooter cops a plea to get released within a few years. In practice, the death penalty is too flawed and unfair to support as a means of crime deterrent. The death penalty is ineffective at preventing any crime so I can't really claim it is anything other than the revenge of the state
Aestas
by Gold Member on Jul. 18, 2013 at 5:44 AM
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First of all, even if one disagrees with the death penalty, it is not equivalent to abortion.  It is a penalty for murderes found guily in a court of law, while the unborn are completely innocent.

Well, except for those pesky little cases that pop up now and again where an inmate on death row is exonerated due to new evidence. Oops.

the demands for pro-lifers to do things like support paid maternity leave and contraception in order to be "truly pro-life" turn out being a cynical and contemptuous game of chicken

Except that people who genuinely value life want to do the things proven to preserve it. Banning abortion is not one of those things. Have you forgotten since the last thread that abortion is more common in countries where it is illegal, not less?

http://www.guttmacher.org/pubs/fb_IAW.html

Quoting Meadowchik:

 Hogwash.

First of all, even if one disagrees with the death penalty, it is not equivalent to abortion.  It is a penalty for murderes found guily in a court of law, while the unborn are completely innocent.

Second of all, I haven't seen Pro-Choice individuals or organisations like Planned Parenthood agree to ban abortions as long as other "pro-life' legislation (like healthcare and welfare programs) are advanced.  I haven't seen any promises of this sort, so the demands for pro-lifers to do things like support paid maternity leave and contraception in order to be "truly pro-life" turn out being a cynical and contemptuous game of chicken. 

 


Aestas
by Gold Member on Jul. 18, 2013 at 5:49 AM


Quoting smalltownmom03:

How is the death penalty racist?

 

Racial Disparities Occur in Death Sentencing Across the USA:

  • The race of the victim and the race of the defendant in capital cases are major factors in determining who is sentenced to die in this country.
  • In 1990 a report from the General Accounting Office concluded that "in 82 percent of the studies [reviewed], race of the victim was found to influence the likelihood of being charged with capital murder or receiving the death penalty, i.e. those who murdered whites were more likely to be sentenced to death than those who murdered blacks."  


RACE OF PRISONERS CURRENTLY ON DEATH ROW 

BLACK: 1,371 (41.58%) 

HISPANIC: 374 (11.34%) 

WHITE: 1,475 (44.74%) 

OTHER: 77 (2.33%) 

Source: Death Row Population Figures from NAACP-LDF "Death Row USA (January 1, 2009)"



RACE OF DEFENDANTS EXECUTED IN THE U.S. SINCE 1976 

BLACK: 393 (34.6%) 

HISPANIC: 78 (6.87%) 

WHITE: 643 (56.6%) 

OTHER: 22 (0.62%) 

Source: Death Penalty Information Center



RACE OF VICTIMS* SINCE 1976 

BLACK: 239 (14.2%) 

HISPANIC: 82 (4.87%) 

WHITE: 1324 (78.67%) 

OTHER: 38 (1.96%) 

*NOTE: Number of Victims refers to the victims in the underlying murder in cases where an execution has occurred since the restoration of the death penalty in 1976. There are more victims than executions because some cases involve more than one victim. 

Source: Death Penalty Information Center






Racial Disparities in California Death Sentencing 


 Summary

The recent study by Glenn Pierce and Michael Radelet titled, "The Impact of Legally Inappropriate Factors on Death Sentencing for California Homicides, 1990-1999" (Santa Clara Law Review, 2005), is the first state-wide study on the role of race, ethnicity and geography in death sentencing in California. The authors reviewed all homicides that occurred in California from 1990-99, using records from the FBI and Vital Statistics. During this period, 302 death sentences were returned (close to half the number of people currently on death row in California). The study finds that race and ethnicity of victim, place, and community diversity are key factors in determining who is sentenced to die in this state. 

Read the Full Study: 
http://www.scu.edu/law/lawreview/article.html


Summary of Findings

Geography and Community Diversity

  • Death sentence rates vary substantially from county to county in California and this variation cannot be explained simply based on homicide rates.
  • The highest rate of death sentencing occurs in counties with low population densities and a high proportion of non-Latino whites.
  • In low density communities where more than half the population is non-Latino white, 1.84 out of every 100 homicides results in a death sentence; in Los Angeles, .58 out of 100 homicides results in a death sentence.
  • Los AngelesCounty, which has the highest number of homicides in the state, has one of the lowest death sentence rates. The highest death sentence rates were found in Napa, King, Colusa, and ShastaCounties (ranging from 6 to 10%).
  • A person convicted of the same crime is more than three times more likely to be sentenced to die simply because the crime was committed in a predominantly white, rural community rather than a diverse, urban area.

Race and Ethnicity of Victim

  • Those who kill non-Latino whites are over three times more likely to be sentenced to die as those who kill African-Americans.
  • Those who kill non-Latino whites are over four times more likely to be sentenced to die as those who kill Latinos.
  • In cases where only one victim was killed and no felony was involved, those who kill non-Latino whites are over seven times more likely to be sentenced to die as those who kill African-Americans.
  • In cases where only one victim was killed and no felony was involved, those who kill non-Latino whites are over eleven times more likely to be sentenced to die as those who kill Latinos.

Needed Follow Up Action

  • The Legislature should require systemic data collection on homicides and death sentencing for more complete analysis.
  • Further research must be undertaken to determine where in the process the disparities enter; is the disparity caused by prosecutors' charging practices, jurors' decisions to return a death sentence, or somewhere in between?
  • Further research must be undertaken to determine whether a gender of victim disparity exists.

Other Interesting Facts

  • The California population is the most diverse in the nation. One third of the population is Latino (2000 Census). 
  • The death rate by homicide in California varies substantially by race. African Americans are six times more likely to be murdered than whites in California. 
  • While 27.6% of murder victims are white, 80% of execution in California have been for those convicted of killing whites. 
  • 28 out of 58 California counties had no death sentences in 1990-99. 
  • Very few homicides result in death sentences: across the state, .89% of homicides result in death sentences. 



Other Articles And Reports about Racial Disparities in Death Sentencing
 


"Jurors Race a Focal Point for Defense" (Dallas News: Becka, Holly; LaFleur, Jennifer; McGonigle, Steve; Wyatt, Tim, 2006) 

- This article examines Dallas' jury selection, demonstrating that blacks may be stricken at a disproportionately high rate. Even when researchers control for factors most likely to influence prosecutors' selections, racist patterns are evident.

- Click here for the full article.


"Looking Deathworthy: Perceived Stereotypicality of Black Defendants Predicts Capital Sentencing Outcomes" (Eberhardt, Jennifer L.; Davies, Paul G.; Purdie-Vaughns, Valerie; Johnson, Sheri Lynn, 2005) 

- This unique psychological study demonstrates that race is a particularly important factor in interracial cases, where it is most salient to jurors. The study shows that, more than race alone, the stereotypicality of one's racial appearance is an important predictor in the application of the death penalty.

- Click here for the full study.


"Race and the Death Penalty" (American Civil Liberties Union, 2003) 

- This report names those jurisdictions with the highest percentage of minorities on Death Row, cites relevant court cases, and ultimaely concludes that a "systemic racial bias in the application of the death penalty exists at both the state and federal level," and as such, "A moratorium on the death penalty is needed to address this miscarriage of justice."

- Click here for the full report.


"Race and the Death Penalty" (Death Penalty Information Center) 

- This website includes statistics, tables, articles, links to studies, and current news relating to the role of race in capital punishment.

- Click here to visit the site.


"The Federal Death Penalty System: A Statistical Survey (1988-2000) (U.S. Department of Justice, 1988-2000) 

- This Justice Department review of the death penalty shows that in the past five years., 80% of cases submitted by federal prosecutors for death penalty review have included racial minorities as defendants. 

- Information is organized by state to show geographic as well as racial bias.

- Click here for the full report.


"The Legacy of Lynching and Southern Homicide" (Baller, Robert; Zevenbergen, Matthew P.; Messner, Steven F., 2005) 

- This sociological study shows a correlation between southern areas with the highest rates of lynching (1882-1930) and those with the highest current rates of homicide. Researchers hypothesize that in such areas, capital punishment has replaced lyn hing as a legal form of racialized punishment.

- Click here to read about the study.


"U.S.: Death by Discrimination -- The Continuing Role of Race in Capital Cases" (Amnesty International, 2003) 

- This study conclusively demonstrates that race and socio-economic levels play important roles in determining who will receive a death sentence. 

- The study discusses state, national, and international statistics and policies, particularly emphasizing its findings on interracial murders.

- Click here for the full study.


Meadowchik
by Silver Member on Jul. 18, 2013 at 6:08 AM

Laws restricting abortion can decrease abortion. 

A global collection of figures from different countries does not necessarily count for causal evidence.  More scientifically sound studies are those examining specific cases and specific laws.  For instance, the countries with lower rates also may have other things in common with each other which are the real cause for lower abortion rates.

The laws referred to here are specifically examined and the causal link less tenuous: http://www.thepublicdiscourse.com/2008/10/123/

Quoting Aestas:

First of all, even if one disagrees with the death penalty, it is not equivalent to abortion.  It is a penalty for murderes found guily in a court of law, while the unborn are completely innocent.

Well, except for those pesky little cases that pop up now and again where an inmate on death row is exonerated due to new evidence. Oops.

the demands for pro-lifers to do things like support paid maternity leave and contraception in order to be "truly pro-life" turn out being a cynical and contemptuous game of chicken

Except that people who genuinely value life want to do the things proven to preserve it. Banning abortion is not one of those things. Have you forgotten since the last thread that abortion is more common in countries where it is illegal, not less?

http://www.guttmacher.org/pubs/fb_IAW.html

Quoting Meadowchik:

 Hogwash.

First of all, even if one disagrees with the death penalty, it is not equivalent to abortion.  It is a penalty for murderes found guily in a court of law, while the unborn are completely innocent.

Second of all, I haven't seen Pro-Choice individuals or organisations like Planned Parenthood agree to ban abortions as long as other "pro-life' legislation (like healthcare and welfare programs) are advanced.  I haven't seen any promises of this sort, so the demands for pro-lifers to do things like support paid maternity leave and contraception in order to be "truly pro-life" turn out being a cynical and contemptuous game of chicken. 

 

 

 

Carpy
by Ruby Member on Jul. 18, 2013 at 6:31 AM
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Pro baby, anti violent criminal.

candlegal
by Judy on Jul. 18, 2013 at 6:53 AM

The Guttmacher institute where she is getting her facts is an extension of planned parenthood.   Bet they don't skew the facts, right?

Quoting Meadowchik:

Laws restricting abortion can decrease abortion. 

A global collection of figures from different countries does not necessarily count for causal evidence.  More scientifically sound studies are those examining specific cases and specific laws.  For instance, the countries with lower rates also may have other things in common with each other which are the real cause for lower abortion rates.

The laws referred to here are specifically examined and the causal link less tenuous: http://www.thepublicdiscourse.com/2008/10/123/

Quoting Aestas:

First of all, even if one disagrees with the death penalty, it is not equivalent to abortion.  It is a penalty for murderes found guily in a court of law, while the unborn are completely innocent.

Well, except for those pesky little cases that pop up now and again where an inmate on death row is exonerated due to new evidence. Oops.

the demands for pro-lifers to do things like support paid maternity leave and contraception in order to be "truly pro-life" turn out being a cynical and contemptuous game of chicken

Except that people who genuinely value life want to do the things proven to preserve it. Banning abortion is not one of those things. Have you forgotten since the last thread that abortion is more common in countries where it is illegal, not less?

http://www.guttmacher.org/pubs/fb_IAW.html

Quoting Meadowchik:

 Hogwash.

First of all, even if one disagrees with the death penalty, it is not equivalent to abortion.  It is a penalty for murderes found guily in a court of law, while the unborn are completely innocent.

Second of all, I haven't seen Pro-Choice individuals or organisations like Planned Parenthood agree to ban abortions as long as other "pro-life' legislation (like healthcare and welfare programs) are advanced.  I haven't seen any promises of this sort, so the demands for pro-lifers to do things like support paid maternity leave and contraception in order to be "truly pro-life" turn out being a cynical and contemptuous game of chicken. 

 


 


D-Town
by Silver Member on Jul. 18, 2013 at 7:16 AM
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I think that if abortion is made illega HIPPAlaws should be repealed. If someone is going to stick their nose in my medical care then I should have full, unrestricted access to their medical records as well.
Meadowchik
by Silver Member on Jul. 18, 2013 at 8:42 AM
Hmmm, euthanasia is outlawed and we still have HIPPA. Banning some procedures does not render privacy irrelevant.

Quoting D-Town:

I think that if abortion is made illega HIPPAlaws should be repealed. If someone is going to stick their nose in my medical care then I should have full, unrestricted access to their medical records as well.
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