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America's "Embarrassing Past" and some facts that are intentionally omitted from school books. Did you know?

The first record of slaves in North America were of white slaves. Of the 102 passengers on The Mayflower, 12 were white slaves. That's right, before the European Slave Trade from Africa to America. In the early 1600's, white Europeans were captured and shipped over as slaves. This included enemies of the crown, criminals, orphans. In fact, “Street Urchins” or the street kids of London were rounded up and shipped to the colonies as slaves. The people of London were warned to beware of “Kid Nabbing”. This is the history of where the term “Kidnap” comes from.

Let's not forget that blacks were selling each other into slavery LONG before the European slave trade began (i.e. white people) AND they are still enslaving each other TODAY in Africa. Sex Slaves, Blood Diamonds, etc...

Records of early African (black) slavery in Africa and in Islamic states dates back as early as 47 BC.

The first owner of black slaves in the US was a black man, Anthony Johnson. He is responsible for introducing the white man to black slave ownership and was the person who brought the case to the courts to make it legal to “Own” black slaves indefinitely.

The majority of black slaves in the US were owned by other black families. Large numbers of free Blacks owned black slaves in numbers disproportionate to their representation in society.  According to the federal census of 1830, free blacks owned more than 10,000 slaves in Louisiana, Maryland, South Carolina, and Virginia.  The majority of black slave-owners lived in Louisiana and planted sugar cane.

By 1830 there were 3,775 black families living in the South who owned black slaves. By 1860 there were about 3,000 slaves owned by black households in the city of New Orleans alone.

The Largest population of slaves when slavery was abolished in the US was owned by a Black Slave Owner and slave breeder, William Ellison

Today, less than 2% of blacks in the US are descendants of black US slaves. It is more likely that a black person in the US is here because their family/ancestors came here to escape oppression by other blacks.

Edit: Adding some reference material...

Here are three great books I have read on the subject. You can preview a lot of information at these links and follow the "Look Inside" link.

http://www.amazon.com/White-Slavery-Colonial-America-Documented/dp/144213397X/ref=pd_sxp_f_i

http://www.amazon.com/White-Cargo-Forgotten-History-Britains/dp/0814742963/ref=pd_bxgy_b_img_y

http://www.amazon.com/They-Were-White-Slaves-Enslavement/dp/0929903056/ref=pd_bxgy_b_img_z


This site has some good info backed with cited reference material.

http://slaverebellion.org/

And again, I included names and dates for personal research.

by on Jul. 25, 2013 at 1:29 PM
Replies (41-50):
destiny2nv
by Member on Jul. 25, 2013 at 3:35 PM
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I enjoyed reading this post, lots of interesting information. Thanks.
greenie63
by Silver Member on Jul. 25, 2013 at 3:36 PM

Out of curiosity, what kind of background do you have with the history of slavery. 

I mean other than internet sources? 

ExecutiveChick
by Bronze Member on Jul. 25, 2013 at 3:39 PM

I don't understand. Goto this link and on the page you can click on "Look Inside" and this will allow you to read the preface and the synopses and even the first chapter in some cases. You don't have to read the entire book and I can't cut and paste from it because it's locked.

I'm not going to provide links as historical fact without vetting the site first and verifying the citations.

http://www.amazon.com/White-Slavery-Colonial-America-Documented/dp/144213397X/ref=pd_sxp_f_i


Quoting SuperChicken:

I'm not interested enought to read books on it or research.  If you don't have actual links to prove your points, just say so.    It's usually considered good form to be able to prove what you say, but not everyone does.    I simply don't believe everything you posted is 100% fact. Logically, they don't make sense, even though they hold a grain of truth.   For example, there simply were not enough black people and those black people did not have enough political or financial power to say that during all  the years of slavery in America that most slaves were owned by free blacks.  


Quoting ExecutiveChick:

Yes,

Here are three great books I have read on the subject. You can preview a lot of information at these links and follow the "Look Inside" link.

http://www.amazon.com/White-Slavery-Colonial-America-Documented/dp/144213397X/ref=pd_sxp_f_i

http://www.amazon.com/White-Cargo-Forgotten-History-Britains/dp/0814742963/ref=pd_bxgy_b_img_y

http://www.amazon.com/They-Were-White-Slaves-Enslavement/dp/0929903056/ref=pd_bxgy_b_img_z


This site has some good info backed with cited reference material.

http://slaverebellion.org/

And again, I included names and dates for personal research.


Quoting SuperChicken:

Do you have links confirming the claims made in your op?    While there seems to be a grain of truth, i.e. there were free blacks that owned slaves, but I find it hard to believe they owned the majority of slaves in the U.S..    I also find it hard to believe that only 2% of today's black population would be able to trace any slavery in their ancestry.    







SuperChicken
by on Jul. 25, 2013 at 3:44 PM

Nothing in the first few pages of that book proves everything you said in the op.


Quoting ExecutiveChick:

I don't understand. Goto this link and on the page you can click on "Look Inside" and this will allow you to read the preface and the synopses and even the first chapter in some cases. You don't have to read the entire book and I can't cut and paste from it because it's locked.

I'm not going to provide links as historical fact without vetting the site first and verifying the citations.

http://www.amazon.com/White-Slavery-Colonial-America-Documented/dp/144213397X/ref=pd_sxp_f_i

 

Quoting SuperChicken:

I'm not interested enought to read books on it or research.  If you don't have actual links to prove your points, just say so.    It's usually considered good form to be able to prove what you say, but not everyone does.    I simply don't believe everything you posted is 100% fact. Logically, they don't make sense, even though they hold a grain of truth.   For example, there simply were not enough black people and those black people did not have enough political or financial power to say that during all  the years of slavery in America that most slaves were owned by free blacks.  

 

Quoting ExecutiveChick:

Yes,

Here are three great books I have read on the subject. You can preview a lot of information at these links and follow the "Look Inside" link.

http://www.amazon.com/White-Slavery-Colonial-America-Documented/dp/144213397X/ref=pd_sxp_f_i

http://www.amazon.com/White-Cargo-Forgotten-History-Britains/dp/0814742963/ref=pd_bxgy_b_img_y

http://www.amazon.com/They-Were-White-Slaves-Enslavement/dp/0929903056/ref=pd_bxgy_b_img_z

 

This site has some good info backed with cited reference material.

http://slaverebellion.org/

And again, I included names and dates for personal research.

 

Quoting SuperChicken:

Do you have links confirming the claims made in your op?    While there seems to be a grain of truth, i.e. there were free blacks that owned slaves, but I find it hard to believe they owned the majority of slaves in the U.S..    I also find it hard to believe that only 2% of today's black population would be able to trace any slavery in their ancestry.    

 

 

 

 

 

 


 

Carpy
by Ruby Member on Jul. 25, 2013 at 3:47 PM
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she thrives on race baiting.

Quoting ExecutiveChick:

Not even close but nice try. Do some research, read a book or two, use the names and dates I provided. But quit pretending that by presenting FACTS, that makes someone a racist.



Quoting sweet-a-kins:

 hmm, is this white supremist site your source?






  1. www.saveyourheritage.com/white_​slavery.htm   Cached
    Nine-tenths of the White slavery in America was conducted without ... plantations of North America." ... derision were first applied to White slaves), ...




Carpy
by Ruby Member on Jul. 25, 2013 at 3:49 PM
The slave trade is still thriving with the middle east.

Quoting MsDenuninani:

It's true that there were white slaves, and it's true that there was (probably still is) black slavery in Africa.


But it's also true that the system of American slavery of African people was unique in its cruelty and immorality. In other words, white people treated black slaves far worse than they had ever treated white ones, and white people treated black slaves far worse than black africans treated black african slaves.


Further, the American enslavement of blacks was entirely race-based.  That is actually a pretty unique thing when you look at slavery historically and globally.  America is unique in having made skin color the operative characteristic in which to enslave someone, not to mention having created an entire legal and moral framework designed to keep them enslaved - pretty much entirely based on their race.


And for the record, I'm not "upset with whites" (quoting skylight555 above).  I do not now, nor have I ever, held white people today responsible for white people then. 


My general hostility towards certain white attitudes is entirely rooted in the casual racism of today, not the legally codified racism of the pre-civil rights era.


(edited later for typos)

kailu1835
by Ruby Member on Jul. 25, 2013 at 3:51 PM
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Thanks for posting this. A lot of people refuse to acknowledge these simple facts.
UpSheRises
by Platinum Member on Jul. 25, 2013 at 3:53 PM
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“Africans sold their own people as slaves” is a stock argument White Americans use when the subject of slavery comes up.

First, simply as an argument of fact it fails:

  • Africa was not a country. Africans were not selling “their own”, they were selling their enemies, just as the Greeks and Romans once did. Africa, then as now, was made up of different countries. They were no more selling “their own” than, say, “Europeans” were killing “their own” during the Holocaust.

And it overlooks a few other things:

  • Most African countries did not sell slaves and some even fought against it. But because Europeans back then could control the supply of guns there was little Africans could do to stop it.
  • The Transatlantic slave trade was on a much greater scale than anything the Africans or anyone else ever did in the history of slavery. Countries were destroyed and millions died. Over 12 million were sold in less than 400 years, something so huge that it changed the genetic map of the world.
  • The Transatlantic slave trade was racist. The African slave trade, for all of its other ills, was not that. Neither was the Greek and Roman slave trade. So slavery in places like Haiti, Barbados and America was much more cruel.

As a moral argument it fails too:

  • It uses what I call the Arab Trader argument: it excuses an evil of one’s own past by finding the same sort of evil done by others. Whites sold slaves, but Africans and Arab traders did too! Which, morally speaking, is at the same level as an eight-year-old saying, “He did it too!” when caught doing something bad. We do not accept this argument from eight-year-olds, nor from bank robbers or wife beaters. “Africans did it too!” is no better.

But it is as a derailing argument that it comes into its own:

Its main purpose is to draw attention away from what whites did by turning the tables. That part of their past makes White Americans uncomfortable. But instead of facing up to it, they have built up defences against it:

  • Africans sold their own people as slaves.
  • Africans are still selling slaves.
  • Arab traders sold slaves too.
  • Slavery goes back thousands of years.
  • All races have practised slavery.
  • Whites stopped slavery.
  • My family never owned slaves.
  • That was Ancient History.
  • You are living in the past.
  • Get over it!
  • It was the times.
  • Slavery did not make economic sense.
  • Whites got to where they are by their own hard work
  • Blacks are better off in America than in Africa
  • Africans were savages.

And on and on.

http://abagond.wordpress.com/2010/09/22/africans-sold-their-own-people-as-slaves/

kailu1835
by Ruby Member on Jul. 25, 2013 at 3:54 PM
That is not even close to the truth. Do you know that only about 2% of total black slaves sold actually made it to the states? The way slaves were treated was not unique to Americans, and there were plenty of slave owners who liked their slaves and treated them well.

Quoting MsDenuninani:

It's true that there were white slaves, and it's true that there was (probably still is) black slavery in Africa.


But it's also true that the system of American slavery of African people was unique in its cruelty and immorality. In other words, white people treated black slaves far worse than they had ever treated white ones, and white people treated black slaves far worse than black africans treated black african slaves.


Further, the American enslavement of blacks was entirely race-based.  That is actually a pretty unique thing when you look at slavery historically and globally.  America is unique in having made skin color the operative characteristic in which to enslave someone, not to mention having created an entire legal and moral framework designed to keep them enslaved - pretty much entirely based on their race.


And for the record, I'm not "upset with whites" (quoting skylight555 above).  I do not now, nor have I ever, held white people today responsible for white people then. 


My general hostility towards certain white attitudes is entirely rooted in the casual racism of today, not the legally codified racism of the pre-civil rights era.


(edited later for typos)

kailu1835
by Ruby Member on Jul. 25, 2013 at 3:56 PM
And all of those things in the list are factually correct.

Quoting UpSheRises:

“Africans sold their own people as slaves” is a stock argument White Americans use when the subject of slavery comes up.


First, simply as an argument of fact it fails:



  • Africa was not a country. Africans were not selling “their own”, they were selling their enemies, just as the Greeks and Romans once did. Africa, then as now, was made up of different countries. They were no more selling “their own” than, say, “Europeans” were killing “their own” during the Holocaust.

And it overlooks a few other things:



  • Most African countries did not sell slaves and some even fought against it. But because Europeans back then could control the supply of guns there was little Africans could do to stop it.

  • The Transatlantic slave trade was on a much greater scale than anything the Africans or anyone else ever did in the history of slavery. Countries were destroyed and millions died. Over 12 million were sold in less than 400 years, something so huge that it changed the genetic map of the world.

  • The Transatlantic slave trade was racist. The African slave trade, for all of its other ills, was not that. Neither was the Greek and Roman slave trade. So slavery in places like Haiti, Barbados and America was much more cruel.

As a moral argument it fails too:



  • It uses what I call the Arab Trader argument: it excuses an evil of one’s own past by finding the same sort of evil done by others. Whites sold slaves, but Africans and Arab traders did too! Which, morally speaking, is at the same level as an eight-year-old saying, “He did it too!” when caught doing something bad. We do not accept this argument from eight-year-olds, nor from bank robbers or wife beaters. “Africans did it too!” is no better.

But it is as a derailing argument that it comes into its own:


Its main purpose is to draw attention away from what whites did by turning the tables. That part of their past makes White Americans uncomfortable. But instead of facing up to it, they have built up defences against it:



  • Africans sold their own people as slaves.

  • Africans are still selling slaves.

  • Arab traders sold slaves too.

  • Slavery goes back thousands of years.

  • All races have practised slavery.

  • Whites stopped slavery.

  • My family never owned slaves.

  • That was Ancient History.

  • You are living in the past.

  • Get over it!

  • It was the times.

  • Slavery did not make economic sense.

  • Whites got to where they are by their own hard work

  • Blacks are better off in America than in Africa

  • Africans were savages.

And on and on.


http://abagond.wordpress.com/2010/09/22/africans-sold-their-own-people-as-slaves/

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