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If the anti-choice* position is so strong why do anti-choicers* lie about the facts of abortion?

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I Went to a Crisis Pregnancy Center and What I Saw Will Shock You

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*I used the term anti-choice because I am specifically referencing people who want to outlaw abortion/close abortion clinics.  Unfortunately too many people erroneously think they are pro-life when they are actually pro-choice so I cannot use the term pro-life any longer.  People who do NOT want abortion to become illegal but who would not choose abortion for themselves MISTAKENLY call themselves pro-life.  Here are the correct definitions:

pro-life:  someone who wants to outlaw abortion

pro-choice:  someone who wants abortion to remain legal. It doesn't mean they would ever have an abortion.  Even if a person would NEVER have an abortion they are still PRO-CHOICE if they do NOT want abortion outlawed.


by on Jul. 25, 2013 at 5:28 PM
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Euphoric
by Bazinga! on Jul. 26, 2013 at 10:08 AM

 Lol I'd never heard that one before.

Quoting jllcali:

My favorite- abortion causes cancer. No, it doesn't. Women who haven't carried a pregnancy to the 2nd trimester before the age of 30 (no matter what the reason) are at increased risk of developing breast cancer, as are women who have never breastfed.

 

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parentalrights1
by on Jul. 26, 2013 at 10:43 AM
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Yeah it was supposed to be choice. I'm pretty sure they are for house during pregnancy.... HOUSE MEANING MY WOMB!

Lol that was dumb


Quoting lga1965:

 against "House" during pregnancy? That is confusing but I am guessing that was an "auto-correct" thing?


Quoting parentalrights1:

You're against house during pregnancy. The woman's ownership of her body and feelings about it mean jack squat



Quoting snookyfritz:


Oh, and I'm all about choice.  Only I want the choice made before a woman decides to have sex.


And I am anti-abortion. 



 


lga1965
by on Jul. 26, 2013 at 10:48 AM
LOL, I gotcha. True,too.

Quoting parentalrights1:

Yeah it was supposed to be choice. I'm pretty sure they are for house during pregnancy.... HOUSE MEANING MY WOMB!



Lol that was dumb




Quoting lga1965:

 against "House" during pregnancy? That is confusing but I am guessing that was an "auto-correct" thing?



Quoting parentalrights1:

You're against house during pregnancy. The woman's ownership of her body and feelings about it mean jack squat




Quoting snookyfritz:



Oh, and I'm all about choice.  Only I want the choice made before a woman decides to have sex.



And I am anti-abortion. 




 


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EireLass
by Ruby Member on Jul. 26, 2013 at 10:58 AM

Didn't think you knew what Pro-choice was.

Quoting snookyfritz:

What has one to do with the other? You took that ball and ran

Quoting EireLass:

Really? Your husband chooses your doctors? Your husband is given all health information on you prior to yourself? He picks and chooses what the doctor should tell you? You don't get to pick what procedures you may or may not want for yourself? Wow...it's an old fashioned way to live, but have at it!!

Quoting snookyfritz:

I can assure that I am not.  I was up until a year or so ago, but I have definitely jumped to the other side whole-heartedly

Quoting EireLass:

Everyone is Pro-choice. People are afraid to admit it, because they're uneducated as to what it really means.

EireLass
by Ruby Member on Jul. 26, 2013 at 11:01 AM

It has everything to do with it. Your choice to not have an abortion, may not be the same choice your husband has. Back then, his choice ruled. As a woman, you should really learn the recent history of women.

Quoting snookyfritz:

Again, one has absolutely nothing to do with the other.  

Quoting lady-J-Rock:

Not really. My grandmother and other women in my family said before Roe vs Wade. Your Husband or father made your medical decisions for you. That's why I fear the day Roe vs. Wade gets overturned. Not that my husband or father would go against my wishes.
Quoting snookyfritz:

What has one to do with the other? You took that ball and ran

Quoting EireLass:

Really? Your husband chooses your doctors? Your husband is given all health information on you prior to yourself? He picks and chooses what the doctor should tell you? You don't get to pick what procedures you may or may not want for yourself? Wow...it's an old fashioned way to live, but have at it!!

Quoting snookyfritz:

I can assure that I am not.  I was up until a year or so ago, but I have definitely jumped to the other side whole-heartedly

Quoting EireLass:

Everyone is Pro-choice. People are afraid to admit it, because they're uneducated as to what it really means.

EireLass
by Ruby Member on Jul. 26, 2013 at 11:04 AM

If you are going to discuss a subject, don't you think you should know about it? There's no presumption anywhere. Husbands had the rights and duties for their wives medical care. All was really their decision. Doctors always came to the husband with any information, not the wife-patient. You're health care was his decision. The information you had about your health was his decision. If you chose to use or not use birth control, it wasn't your choice.

Quoting snookyfritz:

It's a presumption that those rights ever belonged to anyone in the first place.

No, the birth control issue is pretty much a Catholic one.  And we don't have the support for that. 

And you still haven't shown where it would leave your husband and father making your decisions

Quoting lady-J-Rock:

Yes it is. It's giving up your reproductive rights. It's a slippery slope. Next they'll go after birth control.
Quoting snookyfritz:

Again, one has absolutely nothing to do with the other.  

Quoting lady-J-Rock:

Not really. My grandmother and other women in my family said before Roe vs Wade. Your Husband or father made your medical decisions for you. That's why I fear the day Roe vs. Wade gets overturned. Not that my husband or father would go against my wishes.
Quoting snookyfritz:

What has one to do with the other? You took that ball and ran

Quoting EireLass:
Really? Your husband chooses your doctors? Your husband is given all health information on you prior to yourself? He picks and chooses what the doctor should tell you? You don't get to pick what procedures you may or may not want for yourself? Wow...it's an old fashioned way to live, but have at it!!
Quoting snookyfritz:

I can assure that I am not.  I was up until a year or so ago, but I have definitely jumped to the other side whole-heartedly

Quoting EireLass:

Everyone is Pro-choice. People are afraid to admit it, because they're uneducated as to what it really means.

snookyfritz
by Platinum Member on Jul. 26, 2013 at 11:10 AM

If you want to respond in a discussion you should know the context of the conversation.  The person in question stated that if abortion rights were removed that husbands and dad's would suddenly be in charge of a woman's health again.  And that is not true.


Quoting EireLass:

If you are going to discuss a subject, don't you think you should know about it? There's no presumption anywhere. Husbands had the rights and duties for their wives medical care. All was really their decision. Doctors always came to the husband with any information, not the wife-patient. You're health care was his decision. The information you had about your health was his decision. If you chose to use or not use birth control, it wasn't your choice.

Quoting snookyfritz:

It's a presumption that those rights ever belonged to anyone in the first place.

No, the birth control issue is pretty much a Catholic one.  And we don't have the support for that. 

And you still haven't shown where it would leave your husband and father making your decisions

Quoting lady-J-Rock:

Yes it is. It's giving up your reproductive rights. It's a slippery slope. Next they'll go after birth control.
Quoting snookyfritz:

Again, one has absolutely nothing to do with the other.  

Quoting lady-J-Rock:

Not really. My grandmother and other women in my family said before Roe vs Wade. Your Husband or father made your medical decisions for you. That's why I fear the day Roe vs. Wade gets overturned. Not that my husband or father would go against my wishes.
Quoting snookyfritz:

What has one to do with the other? You took that ball and ran

Quoting EireLass:
Really? Your husband chooses your doctors? Your husband is given all health information on you prior to yourself? He picks and chooses what the doctor should tell you? You don't get to pick what procedures you may or may not want for yourself? Wow...it's an old fashioned way to live, but have at it!!
Quoting snookyfritz:

I can assure that I am not.  I was up until a year or so ago, but I have definitely jumped to the other side whole-heartedly

Quoting EireLass:

Everyone is Pro-choice. People are afraid to admit it, because they're uneducated as to what it really means.



snookyfritz
by Platinum Member on Jul. 26, 2013 at 11:11 AM

As a conversation follower you should really understand what is being talked about before you respond


Quoting EireLass:

It has everything to do with it. Your choice to not have an abortion, may not be the same choice your husband has. Back then, his choice ruled. As a woman, you should really learn the recent history of women.

Quoting snookyfritz:

Again, one has absolutely nothing to do with the other.  

Quoting lady-J-Rock:

Not really. My grandmother and other women in my family said before Roe vs Wade. Your Husband or father made your medical decisions for you. That's why I fear the day Roe vs. Wade gets overturned. Not that my husband or father would go against my wishes.
Quoting snookyfritz:

What has one to do with the other? You took that ball and ran

Quoting EireLass:

Really? Your husband chooses your doctors? Your husband is given all health information on you prior to yourself? He picks and chooses what the doctor should tell you? You don't get to pick what procedures you may or may not want for yourself? Wow...it's an old fashioned way to live, but have at it!!

Quoting snookyfritz:

I can assure that I am not.  I was up until a year or so ago, but I have definitely jumped to the other side whole-heartedly

Quoting EireLass:

Everyone is Pro-choice. People are afraid to admit it, because they're uneducated as to what it really means.



EireLass
by Ruby Member on Jul. 26, 2013 at 11:16 AM

Read your highlighted sentence.

Quoting snookyfritz:

If you want to respond in a discussion you should know the context of the conversation.  The person in question stated that if abortion rights were removed that husbands and dad's would suddenly be in charge of a woman's health again.  And that is not true. 

Quoting EireLass:

If you are going to discuss a subject, don't you think you should know about it? There's no presumption anywhere. Husbands had the rights and duties for their wives medical care. All was really their decision. Doctors always came to the husband with any information, not the wife-patient. You're health care was his decision. The information you had about your health was his decision. If you chose to use or not use birth control, it wasn't your choice.

Quoting snookyfritz:

It's a presumption that those rights ever belonged to anyone in the first place.No, the birth control issue is pretty much a Catholic one.  And we don't have the support for that. And you still haven't shown where it would leave your husband and father making your decisions

Quoting lady-J-Rock:

Yes it is. It's giving up your reproductive rights. It's a slippery slope. Next they'll go after birth control.
Quoting snookyfritz:

Again, one has absolutely nothing to do with the other.  

Quoting lady-J-Rock:

Not really. My grandmother and other women in my family said before Roe vs Wade. Your Husband or father made your medical decisions for you. That's why I fear the day Roe vs. Wade gets overturned. Not that my husband or father would go against my wishes.
Quoting snookyfritz:

What has one to do with the other? You took that ball and ran

Quoting EireLass:
Really? Your husband chooses your doctors? Your husband is given all health information on you prior to yourself? He picks and chooses what the doctor should tell you? You don't get to pick what procedures you may or may not want for yourself? Wow...it's an old fashioned way to live, but have at it!!
Quoting snookyfritz:

I can assure that I am not.  I was up until a year or so ago, but I have definitely jumped to the other side whole-heartedly

Quoting EireLass:

Everyone is Pro-choice. People are afraid to admit it, because they're uneducated as to what it really means.




snookyfritz
by Platinum Member on Jul. 26, 2013 at 11:19 AM

It is referring to the right to have an abortion. Nothing to do with historical male dominance.  It has to do with Natural Law (not laws of nature)

Quoting EireLass:

Read your highlighted sentence.

Quoting snookyfritz:

If you want to respond in a discussion you should know the context of the conversation.  The person in question stated that if abortion rights were removed that husbands and dad's would suddenly be in charge of a woman's health again.  And that is not true. 

Quoting EireLass:

If you are going to discuss a subject, don't you think you should know about it? There's no presumption anywhere. Husbands had the rights and duties for their wives medical care. All was really their decision. Doctors always came to the husband with any information, not the wife-patient. You're health care was his decision. The information you had about your health was his decision. If you chose to use or not use birth control, it wasn't your choice.

Quoting snookyfritz:

It's a presumption that those rights ever belonged to anyone in the first place.No, the birth control issue is pretty much a Catholic one.  And we don't have the support for that. And you still haven't shown where it would leave your husband and father making your decisions

Quoting lady-J-Rock:

Yes it is. It's giving up your reproductive rights. It's a slippery slope. Next they'll go after birth control.
Quoting snookyfritz:

Again, one has absolutely nothing to do with the other.  

Quoting lady-J-Rock:

Not really. My grandmother and other women in my family said before Roe vs Wade. Your Husband or father made your medical decisions for you. That's why I fear the day Roe vs. Wade gets overturned. Not that my husband or father would go against my wishes.
Quoting snookyfritz:

What has one to do with the other? You took that ball and ran

Quoting EireLass:
Really? Your husband chooses your doctors? Your husband is given all health information on you prior to yourself? He picks and chooses what the doctor should tell you? You don't get to pick what procedures you may or may not want for yourself? Wow...it's an old fashioned way to live, but have at it!!
Quoting snookyfritz:

I can assure that I am not.  I was up until a year or so ago, but I have definitely jumped to the other side whole-heartedly

Quoting EireLass:

Everyone is Pro-choice. People are afraid to admit it, because they're uneducated as to what it really means.






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