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If the anti-choice* position is so strong why do anti-choicers* lie about the facts of abortion?

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*I used the term anti-choice because I am specifically referencing people who want to outlaw abortion/close abortion clinics.  Unfortunately too many people erroneously think they are pro-life when they are actually pro-choice so I cannot use the term pro-life any longer.  People who do NOT want abortion to become illegal but who would not choose abortion for themselves MISTAKENLY call themselves pro-life.  Here are the correct definitions:

pro-life:  someone who wants to outlaw abortion

pro-choice:  someone who wants abortion to remain legal. It doesn't mean they would ever have an abortion.  Even if a person would NEVER have an abortion they are still PRO-CHOICE if they do NOT want abortion outlawed.


by on Jul. 25, 2013 at 5:28 PM
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illinoismommy83
by Bronze Member on Jul. 26, 2013 at 11:26 AM
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I volunteered at a pro-fetus clinic for a short period of time during my pro-life days. I highly suggest any one who may be pregnant dig up $1.09 in change from the couch and go to a dollar store for a pregnancy test. It isn't worth an hour of being prayed over to get a free pregnancy test from a pro-fetus place.

Women would come in and say "I know I'm pregnant. I plan to keep the baby. I just need a proof of pregnancy for Medicaid purposes" and they would still be forced to be prayed over and told the horrors of abortion. Not cool. 

Some days I feel the urge to stand outside the pro-fetus clinic with pregnancy tests and hand them out to anyone who asks.

EireLass
by Ruby Member on Jul. 26, 2013 at 11:32 AM

This is what Pro-choice is all about. I think you are unaware of that. I think you believe pro-choice is abortion. There is a list as long as your arm about what pro-choice is, abortion being only 1 of those things.

Quoting snookyfritz:

As a conversation follower you should really understand what is being talked about before you respond

Quoting EireLass:

It has everything to do with it. Your choice to not have an abortion, may not be the same choice your husband has. Back then, his choice ruled. As a woman, you should really learn the recent history of women.

Quoting snookyfritz:

Again, one has absolutely nothing to do with the other.  

Quoting lady-J-Rock:

Not really. My grandmother and other women in my family said before Roe vs Wade. Your Husband or father made your medical decisions for you. That's why I fear the day Roe vs. Wade gets overturned. Not that my husband or father would go against my wishes.
Quoting snookyfritz:

What has one to do with the other? You took that ball and ran

Quoting EireLass:

Really? Your husband chooses your doctors? Your husband is given all health information on you prior to yourself? He picks and chooses what the doctor should tell you? You don't get to pick what procedures you may or may not want for yourself? Wow...it's an old fashioned way to live, but have at it!!

Quoting snookyfritz:

I can assure that I am not.  I was up until a year or so ago, but I have definitely jumped to the other side whole-heartedly

Quoting EireLass:

Everyone is Pro-choice. People are afraid to admit it, because they're uneducated as to what it really means.




punky3175
by on Jul. 26, 2013 at 11:33 AM
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Yes it does because that's exactly what Roe v. Wade was about and why the terms 'pro-choice' and 'pro-life were coined.

Quoting snookyfritz:

Again, one has absolutely nothing to do with the other. 



Quoting lady-J-Rock:

Not really. My grandmother and other women in my family said before Roe vs Wade. Your Husband or father made your medical decisions for you.

That's why I fear the day Roe vs. Wade gets overturned. Not that my husband or father would go against my wishes.





Quoting snookyfritz:

What has one to do with the other? You took that ball and ran




Quoting EireLass:

Really? Your husband chooses your doctors? Your husband is given all health information on you prior to yourself? He picks and chooses what the doctor should tell you? You don't get to pick what procedures you may or may not want for yourself? Wow...it's an old fashioned way to live, but have at it!!

Quoting snookyfritz:

I can assure that I am not.  I was up until a year or so ago, but I have definitely jumped to the other side whole-heartedly

Quoting EireLass:

Everyone is Pro-choice. People are afraid to admit it, because they're uneducated as to what it really means.











futureshock
by Ruby Member on Jul. 26, 2013 at 11:36 AM

My favorite lie is when they try to convince women abortions involve full term fetuses.

futureshock
by Ruby Member on Jul. 26, 2013 at 11:39 AM

They already are and have been going after birth control.

Quoting lady-J-Rock:

Yes it is. It's giving up your reproductive rights. It's a slippery slope. Next they'll go after birth control.


Quoting snookyfritz:

Again, one has absolutely nothing to do with the other. 



Quoting lady-J-Rock:

Not really. My grandmother and other women in my family said before Roe vs Wade. Your Husband or father made your medical decisions for you.

That's why I fear the day Roe vs. Wade gets overturned. Not that my husband or father would go against my wishes.





Quoting snookyfritz:

What has one to do with the other? You took that ball and ran




Quoting EireLass:

Really? Your husband chooses your doctors? Your husband is given all health information on you prior to yourself? He picks and chooses what the doctor should tell you? You don't get to pick what procedures you may or may not want for yourself? Wow...it's an old fashioned way to live, but have at it!!

Quoting snookyfritz:

I can assure that I am not.  I was up until a year or so ago, but I have definitely jumped to the other side whole-heartedly

Quoting EireLass:

Everyone is Pro-choice. People are afraid to admit it, because they're uneducated as to what it really means.













EireLass
by Ruby Member on Jul. 26, 2013 at 11:42 AM

Who's perception of Natural Law do you believe in? There are about 6 variants.

Quoting snookyfritz:

It is referring to the right to have an abortion. Nothing to do with historical male dominance.  It has to do with Natural Law (not laws of nature)

Quoting EireLass:

Read your highlighted sentence.

Quoting snookyfritz:

If you want to respond in a discussion you should know the context of the conversation.  The person in question stated that if abortion rights were removed that husbands and dad's would suddenly be in charge of a woman's health again.  And that is not true. 

Quoting EireLass:

If you are going to discuss a subject, don't you think you should know about it? There's no presumption anywhere. Husbands had the rights and duties for their wives medical care. All was really their decision. Doctors always came to the husband with any information, not the wife-patient. You're health care was his decision. The information you had about your health was his decision. If you chose to use or not use birth control, it wasn't your choice.

Quoting snookyfritz:

It's a presumption that those rights ever belonged to anyone in the first place.No, the birth control issue is pretty much a Catholic one.  And we don't have the support for that. And you still haven't shown where it would leave your husband and father making your decisions

Quoting lady-J-Rock:

Yes it is. It's giving up your reproductive rights. It's a slippery slope. Next they'll go after birth control.
Quoting snookyfritz:

Again, one has absolutely nothing to do with the other.  

Quoting lady-J-Rock:

Not really. My grandmother and other women in my family said before Roe vs Wade. Your Husband or father made your medical decisions for you. That's why I fear the day Roe vs. Wade gets overturned. Not that my husband or father would go against my wishes.
Quoting snookyfritz:

What has one to do with the other? You took that ball and ran

Quoting EireLass:
Really? Your husband chooses your doctors? Your husband is given all health information on you prior to yourself? He picks and chooses what the doctor should tell you? You don't get to pick what procedures you may or may not want for yourself? Wow...it's an old fashioned way to live, but have at it!!
Quoting snookyfritz:

I can assure that I am not.  I was up until a year or so ago, but I have definitely jumped to the other side whole-heartedly

Quoting EireLass:

Everyone is Pro-choice. People are afraid to admit it, because they're uneducated as to what it really means.







lady-J-Rock
by Member on Jul. 26, 2013 at 11:42 AM
I know I'm just saying make one illegal and the other will be shortly after.


Quoting futureshock:

They already are and have been going after birth control.

Quoting lady-J-Rock:

Yes it is. It's giving up your reproductive rights. It's a slippery slope. Next they'll go after birth control.





Quoting snookyfritz:

Again, one has absolutely nothing to do with the other. 




Quoting lady-J-Rock:

Not really. My grandmother and other women in my family said before Roe vs Wade. Your Husband or father made your medical decisions for you.


That's why I fear the day Roe vs. Wade gets overturned. Not that my husband or father would go against my wishes.








Quoting snookyfritz:

What has one to do with the other? You took that ball and ran





Quoting EireLass:

Really? Your husband chooses your doctors? Your husband is given all health information on you prior to yourself? He picks and chooses what the doctor should tell you? You don't get to pick what procedures you may or may not want for yourself? Wow...it's an old fashioned way to live, but have at it!!

Quoting snookyfritz:

I can assure that I am not.  I was up until a year or so ago, but I have definitely jumped to the other side whole-heartedly

Quoting EireLass:

Everyone is Pro-choice. People are afraid to admit it, because they're uneducated as to what it really means.


















SewingMamaLele
by Leanne on Jul. 26, 2013 at 11:57 AM


Quoting futureshock:


Quoting SewingMamaLele:

If your goal is to disclude pro lifers who aren't in favor of outlawing abortion (as if they aren't capable of determining their own position on the topic??), then why not use the term "anti abortion"?

Because some people who are against abortion for themselves would consider themselves anti-abortion even though they want abortion to remain legal.

So, Because some people may misdefine themselves, by your standard (again, as if they aren't capable of understanding their own position in this debate??), instead of using the most obvious, direct term... you use one that almost no one identifies with, is as broad as the day is long, and makes no sense for the position you're referring to???    

This just futhers the point that you have no actual interest in discussing the topic.   

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SewingMamaLele
by Leanne on Jul. 26, 2013 at 12:04 PM

What I don't get... is that you're trying to convince people that they really ARE pro-choice, in a topic that is calling those same people "anti-choice".   So, which is it?  

If you really feel everyone is pro-choice... how do you differentiate those who would like to outlaw abortion to some degree?   "Pro-choice, anti-abortion"?    Then why even use the pro-choice term, why not just anti-abortion,  and abortion rights advocate (since we all agree on the other "pro-choice" issues, and abortion is the issue of contention?)

Quoting EireLass:

This is what Pro-choice is all about. I think you are unaware of that. I think you believe pro-choice is abortion. There is a list as long as your arm about what pro-choice is, abortion being only 1 of those things.

Quoting snookyfritz:

As a conversation follower you should really understand what is being talked about before you respond

Quoting EireLass:

It has everything to do with it. Your choice to not have an abortion, may not be the same choice your husband has. Back then, his choice ruled. As a woman, you should really learn the recent history of women.

Quoting snookyfritz:

Again, one has absolutely nothing to do with the other.  

Quoting lady-J-Rock:

Not really. My grandmother and other women in my family said before Roe vs Wade. Your Husband or father made your medical decisions for you. That's why I fear the day Roe vs. Wade gets overturned. Not that my husband or father would go against my wishes.
Quoting snookyfritz:

What has one to do with the other? You took that ball and ran

Quoting EireLass:

Really? Your husband chooses your doctors? Your husband is given all health information on you prior to yourself? He picks and chooses what the doctor should tell you? You don't get to pick what procedures you may or may not want for yourself? Wow...it's an old fashioned way to live, but have at it!!

Quoting snookyfritz:

I can assure that I am not.  I was up until a year or so ago, but I have definitely jumped to the other side whole-heartedly

Quoting EireLass:

Everyone is Pro-choice. People are afraid to admit it, because they're uneducated as to what it really means.





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EireLass
by Ruby Member on Jul. 26, 2013 at 12:22 PM
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I don't call anyone 'anti-choice'. That's a rediculous term. I'm pretty sure nobody is 'anti-choice'. Doesn't even make sense. I'm fine with people not liking abortion, fine, don't have one. But why are they so interested in other women's lives that they don't know, won't know? Do they care enough to financially support all needs through the pregnancy, and the following 18 years, or do they just want to tell other people how to live? Abortion has always been legal. Roe v. Wade was about A WOMAN'S desire to have an abortion, by choice, not need.

Quoting SewingMamaLele:

What I don't get... is that you're trying to convince people that they really ARE pro-choice, in a topic that is calling those same people "anti-choice".   So, which is it?  

If you really feel everyone is pro-choice... how do you differentiate those who would like to outlaw abortion to some degree?   "Pro-choice, anti-abortion"?    Then why even use the pro-choice term, why not just anti-abortion,  and abortion rights advocate (since we all agree on the other "pro-choice" issues, and abortion is the issue of contention?)

Quoting EireLass:

This is what Pro-choice is all about. I think you are unaware of that. I think you believe pro-choice is abortion. There is a list as long as your arm about what pro-choice is, abortion being only 1 of those things.

Quoting snookyfritz:

As a conversation follower you should really understand what is being talked about before you respond

Quoting EireLass:

It has everything to do with it. Your choice to not have an abortion, may not be the same choice your husband has. Back then, his choice ruled. As a woman, you should really learn the recent history of women.

Quoting snookyfritz:

Again, one has absolutely nothing to do with the other.  

Quoting lady-J-Rock:

Not really. My grandmother and other women in my family said before Roe vs Wade. Your Husband or father made your medical decisions for you. That's why I fear the day Roe vs. Wade gets overturned. Not that my husband or father would go against my wishes.
Quoting snookyfritz:

What has one to do with the other? You took that ball and ran

Quoting EireLass:

Really? Your husband chooses your doctors? Your husband is given all health information on you prior to yourself? He picks and chooses what the doctor should tell you? You don't get to pick what procedures you may or may not want for yourself? Wow...it's an old fashioned way to live, but have at it!!

Quoting snookyfritz:

I can assure that I am not.  I was up until a year or so ago, but I have definitely jumped to the other side whole-heartedly

Quoting EireLass:

Everyone is Pro-choice. People are afraid to admit it, because they're uneducated as to what it really means.






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