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School Bans Christian Mother From Praying on School’s Front Steps

School Officials Ban Christian Mother From Praying Aloud on School’s Front Steps

http://news.yahoo.com/school-officials-ban-christian-mother-praying-aloud-school-144039443.html

A faithful mother in Concord, New Hampshire, will be banned by public school officials from delivering sermons and speeches on the front steps of Concord High School. Lizarda Urena's public proclamations -- uttered aloud as students entered the school -- included prayers and Bible verses, among other religious sentiment.

Concord School Officials Ban Christian Mother Lizarda Urena From Praying Aloud on School Grounds Following Atheist Complaint

Prayer

Credit: AP

Urena, who has two high-school aged children, apparently began arriving at the school around 7 a.m. back in February to offer up prayers. Her ritual, the New Hampshire Union Leader reports, began after she heard that bullets were found in a school bathroom. Now officials, led by Superintendent Christine Rath, are cracking down, claiming that the mother's actions will no longer be allowed when the new school year begins.

The mother's prayers apparently came to the attention of the Freedom From Religion Foundation (FFRF), an atheist activist non-profit that works to strip faith out of the public sphere. After learning that Urena was issuing sectarian prayers and proclamations, the organization complained to the district.

"We sent an open records request to the school district, asking them for copies of any meeting minutes or any sort of documents which gave this woman permission to pray on school property," FFRF attorney Rebecca Markert told the Union Leader.

The FFRF was particularly frustrated that the school did not crack down on the speech in the first place. After receiving word from officials that there never was permission for the mother -- at least a documented allowance -- to be speaking on campus in such a manner, the group successfully argued that the Concord School District should make moves to prevent her sermons.

The Alliance for Defending Freedom, a conservative group, defended Urena's prayer atop the school stairs.

"Students and community members that are allowed to come on campus and participate in a neutral thing are allowed to express religious viewpoints," the group's general counsel Matthew Sharp told the Union Leader. "The students know it's the mother and her own speech -- something that the First Amendment protects -- and that it is not the school mandating this woman to do it."

But other groups like the New Hampshire Civil Liberties Union agree with the district's stance on the matter. Since students are forced to enter the school and, thus, listen to Urena's speech, the debate is a fascinating one.

The Concord Monitor reports that, as of earlier this week, Urena hadn't yet been told to stop having a presence on campus, but, on Wednesday, Principal Gene Connolly was slated to meet with the mother. The report claims that the mother had already been asked to stop praying aloud, though -- a request she complied with.

Concord School Officials Ban Christian Mother Lizarda Urena From Praying Aloud on School Grounds Following Atheist Complaint

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The outlet, which started to cover the debate back in May, continues:

After the Monitor's article ran [in mid-May], Urena said she was asked to stop praying aloud but was permitted to stay on school property. She heard that people began complaining about her to administrators. When she began praying silently, some students approached her and asked why they could no longer hear her, she said.

Urena plans to continue praying for the students' safety even if she can't do so on campus. She will pray at her home or at the gas station across the street from the school, she said. Although she is sad she will be asked to leave, she said she appreciates that Connolly let her pray there for several months.

Urena's story has prompted diverse responses from faith leaders. While some believe she should have the right to pray at the school in this manner, others agree that the district did the right thing by stopping it.

The FFRF has argued that the district's initial silence was a "stamp of approval" on the mother's faith-based messages. What do you think? Should the mother be allowed to pray...?


....I am only responsible for what I say,NOT for what you understand.....
by on Jul. 26, 2013 at 11:44 AM
Replies (21-30):
Mommy_of_Riley
by Jes on Jul. 26, 2013 at 12:21 PM
She's giving sermons? On the steps of the school?

What a weirdo. I wouldn't want to see that when I went to school in the morning because its not her place to teach me about religion.

If she really wants to pray there every morning then she can do so on a sidewalk off of school property.
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tanyainmizzou
by on Jul. 26, 2013 at 12:22 PM

All I said is it  wasn;t just about keeping it off government property for some.   Nothing more, nothing less.


Quoting ..MoonShine..:

I'm LOL that you think your single example "proves that wrong." While I agree that they have no standing to keep it from being placed on the church's grounds (which I am almost certain was chosen so the students could still see it), one example does not support your argument that they are out for more.

Quoting tanyainmizzou:

I agree, but I keep getting told it is only about getting it off government property.

Well, this proves that wrong.

Quoting Jambo4:

Now this goes way to far. They have NO right to demand it not be placed on nearby church property.
Quoting tanyainmizzou:

Except they might sue to stop that since some think children shouldn't have to be exposed to religion at all.




CONNELLSVILLE, Pa. —

A
national group that advocates church-state separation has filed a
federal lawsuit seeking to force a Fayette County school district to
remove a Ten Commandments monolith from the grounds of its junior high
school.

On behalf of an unnamed parent and
student, the Wisconsin-based Freedom from Religion Foundation filed the
lawsuit against the Connellsville Area School District on Thursday in
U.S. District Court in Pittsburgh.

The
foundation alleges the 6-foot tall stone monument at Connellsville
Junior High School violates the establishment clause of the First
Amendment.

They want a judge to order it removed from school property and to prohibit its placement on the grounds of a nearby church.

The
group, through Pittsburgh attorney Marcus B. Schneider of Steele
Schneider, contends the monument should not be moved to the
Connellsville Church of God’s property because it would still be in view
of students “who cannot avoid it when playing on athletic fields.”

The parent and student are listed in the lawsuit only as Doe 4 and Doe 5.

Doe 5 is the parent of Doe 4, who according to the lawsuit is a student at the junior high.


http://www.wpxi.com/news/news/local/rallies-will-support-ten-commandments-monument-con/nSNMr/



Quoting JoshRachelsMAMA:

She can pray on the sidewalk, next to/front of the school.




candlegal
by Judy on Jul. 26, 2013 at 12:26 PM
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And yet people still can't figure out why our schools have these shootings.

LIMom1105
by Bronze Member on Jul. 26, 2013 at 12:26 PM

She shouldn't do that on school property. It's probably scary for some of the kids, embarassing for her own. There's a time and place for prayer, and this isn't it.

..MoonShine..
by Redwood Witch on Jul. 26, 2013 at 12:28 PM
That's not what you said, but it's whatever. I'm not feeling like arguing today.

Hope you have a good one.


Quoting tanyainmizzou:

All I said is it  wasn;t just about keeping it off government property for some.   Nothing more, nothing less.


Quoting ..MoonShine..:

I'm LOL that you think your single example "proves that wrong." While I agree that they have no standing to keep it from being placed on the church's grounds (which I am almost certain was chosen so the students could still see it), one example does not support your argument that they are out for more.



Quoting tanyainmizzou:

I agree, but I keep getting told it is only about getting it off government property.

Well, this proves that wrong.

Quoting Jambo4:

Now this goes way to far. They have NO right to demand it not be placed on nearby church property.
Quoting tanyainmizzou:

Except they might sue to stop that since some think children shouldn't have to be exposed to religion at all.




CONNELLSVILLE, Pa. —

A

national group that advocates church-state separation has filed a

federal lawsuit seeking to force a Fayette County school district to

remove a Ten Commandments monolith from the grounds of its junior high

school.

On behalf of an unnamed parent and

student, the Wisconsin-based Freedom from Religion Foundation filed the

lawsuit against the Connellsville Area School District on Thursday in

U.S. District Court in Pittsburgh.

The

foundation alleges the 6-foot tall stone monument at Connellsville

Junior High School violates the establishment clause of the First

Amendment.

They want a judge to order it removed from school property and to prohibit its placement on the grounds of a nearby church.

The

group, through Pittsburgh attorney Marcus B. Schneider of Steele

Schneider, contends the monument should not be moved to the

Connellsville Church of God’s property because it would still be in view

of students “who cannot avoid it when playing on athletic fields.”

The parent and student are listed in the lawsuit only as Doe 4 and Doe 5.

Doe 5 is the parent of Doe 4, who according to the lawsuit is a student at the junior high.


http://www.wpxi.com/news/news/local/rallies-will-support-ten-commandments-monument-con/nSNMr/



Quoting JoshRachelsMAMA:

She can pray on the sidewalk, next to/front of the school.




tanyainmizzou
by on Jul. 26, 2013 at 12:29 PM

It is exactly what I stated.   But think what you want.

Quoting ..MoonShine..:

That's not what you said, but it's whatever. I'm not feeling like arguing today.

Hope you have a good one.


Quoting tanyainmizzou:

All I said is it  wasn;t just about keeping it off government property for some.   Nothing more, nothing less.


Quoting ..MoonShine..:

I'm LOL that you think your single example "proves that wrong." While I agree that they have no standing to keep it from being placed on the church's grounds (which I am almost certain was chosen so the students could still see it), one example does not support your argument that they are out for more.



Quoting tanyainmizzou:

I agree, but I keep getting told it is only about getting it off government property.

Well, this proves that wrong.

Quoting Jambo4:

Now this goes way to far. They have NO right to demand it not be placed on nearby church property.
Quoting tanyainmizzou:

Except they might sue to stop that since some think children shouldn't have to be exposed to religion at all.




CONNELLSVILLE, Pa. —

A

national group that advocates church-state separation has filed a

federal lawsuit seeking to force a Fayette County school district to

remove a Ten Commandments monolith from the grounds of its junior high

school.

On behalf of an unnamed parent and

student, the Wisconsin-based Freedom from Religion Foundation filed the

lawsuit against the Connellsville Area School District on Thursday in

U.S. District Court in Pittsburgh.

The

foundation alleges the 6-foot tall stone monument at Connellsville

Junior High School violates the establishment clause of the First

Amendment.

They want a judge to order it removed from school property and to prohibit its placement on the grounds of a nearby church.

The

group, through Pittsburgh attorney Marcus B. Schneider of Steele

Schneider, contends the monument should not be moved to the

Connellsville Church of God’s property because it would still be in view

of students “who cannot avoid it when playing on athletic fields.”

The parent and student are listed in the lawsuit only as Doe 4 and Doe 5.

Doe 5 is the parent of Doe 4, who according to the lawsuit is a student at the junior high.


http://www.wpxi.com/news/news/local/rallies-will-support-ten-commandments-monument-con/nSNMr/



Quoting JoshRachelsMAMA:

She can pray on the sidewalk, next to/front of the school.





Godgaveme4
by Platinum Member on Jul. 26, 2013 at 12:29 PM
She was asked to stop preaching and pray quietly. Which she did. And now the FFRF is saying that is also not okay. No one can hear her.

Why does it have to be off school property?

Should they post a sign at the edge of the property reminding parents and students that there is no praying past this point?


Quoting Mommy_of_Riley:

She's giving sermons? On the steps of the school?



What a weirdo. I wouldn't want to see that when I went to school in the morning because its not her place to teach me about religion.



If she really wants to pray there every morning then she can do so on a sidewalk off of school property.
LIMom1105
by Bronze Member on Jul. 26, 2013 at 12:30 PM

Actually, yes, this story reminds me of all the people I saw over the years doing just that either in that area or on the subways.  These people always seemed crazy, and I'd breathe a sigh of relief when they left my subway car. It's one thing to pray quietly, another to shout it to the heavens and give sermons.

Quoting ReadWriteLuv:

If I want my kids to be preached at by strangers spouting sermons I'll march my kid through Times Square in New York


mikiemom
by Ruby Member on Jul. 26, 2013 at 12:31 PM
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Good.

And for the ladies who think this is ok, is it ok for me to conduct a ritual spell on the steps of my sons school - I mean it will only be a protection spell - if you think this mom is right you would have to let me do a spell as well right?

motherslove82
by Silver Member on Jul. 26, 2013 at 12:34 PM

Quiet prayers are fine, but this woman sounds nuts. I wouldn't want her doing this either.

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