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School Bans Christian Mother From Praying on School’s Front Steps

School Officials Ban Christian Mother From Praying Aloud on School’s Front Steps

http://news.yahoo.com/school-officials-ban-christian-mother-praying-aloud-school-144039443.html

A faithful mother in Concord, New Hampshire, will be banned by public school officials from delivering sermons and speeches on the front steps of Concord High School. Lizarda Urena's public proclamations -- uttered aloud as students entered the school -- included prayers and Bible verses, among other religious sentiment.

Concord School Officials Ban Christian Mother Lizarda Urena From Praying Aloud on School Grounds Following Atheist Complaint

Prayer

Credit: AP

Urena, who has two high-school aged children, apparently began arriving at the school around 7 a.m. back in February to offer up prayers. Her ritual, the New Hampshire Union Leader reports, began after she heard that bullets were found in a school bathroom. Now officials, led by Superintendent Christine Rath, are cracking down, claiming that the mother's actions will no longer be allowed when the new school year begins.

The mother's prayers apparently came to the attention of the Freedom From Religion Foundation (FFRF), an atheist activist non-profit that works to strip faith out of the public sphere. After learning that Urena was issuing sectarian prayers and proclamations, the organization complained to the district.

"We sent an open records request to the school district, asking them for copies of any meeting minutes or any sort of documents which gave this woman permission to pray on school property," FFRF attorney Rebecca Markert told the Union Leader.

The FFRF was particularly frustrated that the school did not crack down on the speech in the first place. After receiving word from officials that there never was permission for the mother -- at least a documented allowance -- to be speaking on campus in such a manner, the group successfully argued that the Concord School District should make moves to prevent her sermons.

The Alliance for Defending Freedom, a conservative group, defended Urena's prayer atop the school stairs.

"Students and community members that are allowed to come on campus and participate in a neutral thing are allowed to express religious viewpoints," the group's general counsel Matthew Sharp told the Union Leader. "The students know it's the mother and her own speech -- something that the First Amendment protects -- and that it is not the school mandating this woman to do it."

But other groups like the New Hampshire Civil Liberties Union agree with the district's stance on the matter. Since students are forced to enter the school and, thus, listen to Urena's speech, the debate is a fascinating one.

The Concord Monitor reports that, as of earlier this week, Urena hadn't yet been told to stop having a presence on campus, but, on Wednesday, Principal Gene Connolly was slated to meet with the mother. The report claims that the mother had already been asked to stop praying aloud, though -- a request she complied with.

Concord School Officials Ban Christian Mother Lizarda Urena From Praying Aloud on School Grounds Following Atheist Complaint

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The outlet, which started to cover the debate back in May, continues:

After the Monitor's article ran [in mid-May], Urena said she was asked to stop praying aloud but was permitted to stay on school property. She heard that people began complaining about her to administrators. When she began praying silently, some students approached her and asked why they could no longer hear her, she said.

Urena plans to continue praying for the students' safety even if she can't do so on campus. She will pray at her home or at the gas station across the street from the school, she said. Although she is sad she will be asked to leave, she said she appreciates that Connolly let her pray there for several months.

Urena's story has prompted diverse responses from faith leaders. While some believe she should have the right to pray at the school in this manner, others agree that the district did the right thing by stopping it.

The FFRF has argued that the district's initial silence was a "stamp of approval" on the mother's faith-based messages. What do you think? Should the mother be allowed to pray...?


....I am only responsible for what I say,NOT for what you understand.....
by on Jul. 26, 2013 at 11:44 AM
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tanyainmizzou
by on Jul. 26, 2013 at 12:34 PM
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You call anyone who says yes a liar, so this question is pointless.

Quoting mikiemom:

Good.

And for the ladies who think this is ok, is it ok for me to conduct a ritual spell on the steps of my sons school - I mean it will only be a protection spell - if you think this mom is right you would have to let me do a spell as well right?


Godgaveme4
by Platinum Member on Jul. 26, 2013 at 12:37 PM
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No silent prayer on school property? In the article she stopped preaching and started praying silently. But they are still saying it is not okay. So no prayer is permitted on school campus?

There is not a special time or place for prayer. Prayer can happen wherever and whenever it is needed.


Quoting LIMom1105:

She shouldn't do that on school property. It's probably scary for some of the kids, embarassing for her own. There's a time and place for prayer, and this isn't it.

jllcali
by on Jul. 26, 2013 at 12:40 PM
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I've never seen a school that allowed people to loiter on the front steps, no matter what they were or weren't doing.
Godgaveme4
by Platinum Member on Jul. 26, 2013 at 12:40 PM
Will you be doing it silently? The mom stopped preaching when asked to. She then started praying silently. But the FFRF says that is also unacceptable.

So, I ask, will you be conducting your prayer silently?


Quoting mikiemom:

Good.


And for the ladies who think this is ok, is it ok for me to conduct a ritual spell on the steps of my sons school - I mean it will only be a protection spell - if you think this mom is right you would have to let me do a spell as well right?

shannonnigans
by Platinum Member on Jul. 26, 2013 at 12:41 PM
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What a freaking loon. 'Fess up - which of you women is it?
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romalove
by Roma on Jul. 26, 2013 at 12:43 PM
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Doesn't appear she was there on school business.  At my daughter's school, on that basis, she would be asked to leave.

mikiemom
by Ruby Member on Jul. 26, 2013 at 12:44 PM

 

would her prayers be less effective, ie. not heard by her Jesus, if not done on the school steps.

Would you be ok with a Wiccan Person having a protection ritual for the children on the school grounds.

Your logic is faulty, School shootings have absolutely nothing to do with prayer in school lack of one does not cause the other and vice versa.

Quoting candlegal:

And yet people still can't figure out why our schools have these shootings.


 

Sekirei
by Nari Trickster on Jul. 26, 2013 at 12:45 PM
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Quoting romalove:

Doesn't appear she was there on school business.  At my daughter's school, on that basis, she would be asked to leave.

Exactly... at my high school, if you weren't a student, an invited guest or there to pick up your kids, you were not allowed to be there. 

Protects the school and the non student. 

Godgaveme4
by Platinum Member on Jul. 26, 2013 at 12:45 PM
Our school has parents meeting in front of the school and in the parking lots. But our school is private. Heck some of the moms sit and talk from drop off to preschool pick up. I was one of them. Sometimes we were just chatting and making plans. But there were times when we prayed. Of course parents are still permitted to just drop in at our school also.

Quoting jllcali:

I've never seen a school that allowed people to loiter on the front steps, no matter what they were or weren't doing.
Luvnlogic
by Silver Member on Jul. 26, 2013 at 12:47 PM
It only "proves" that the particular people in that law suit are asking for more than removal from govt property. Not that every one who wants separation of church and state upheld want to go to those extremes.

Quoting tanyainmizzou:

I agree, but I keep getting told it is only about getting it off government property.

Well, this proves that wrong.

Quoting Jambo4:

Now this goes way to far. They have NO right to demand it not be placed on nearby church property.
Quoting tanyainmizzou:

Except they might sue to stop that since some think children shouldn't have to be exposed to religion at all.




CONNELLSVILLE, Pa. —

A
national group that advocates church-state separation has filed a
federal lawsuit seeking to force a Fayette County school district to
remove a Ten Commandments monolith from the grounds of its junior high
school.

On behalf of an unnamed parent and
student, the Wisconsin-based Freedom from Religion Foundation filed the
lawsuit against the Connellsville Area School District on Thursday in
U.S. District Court in Pittsburgh.

The
foundation alleges the 6-foot tall stone monument at Connellsville
Junior High School violates the establishment clause of the First
Amendment.

They want a judge to order it removed from school property and to prohibit its placement on the grounds of a nearby church.

The
group, through Pittsburgh attorney Marcus B. Schneider of Steele
Schneider, contends the monument should not be moved to the
Connellsville Church of God’s property because it would still be in view
of students “who cannot avoid it when playing on athletic fields.”

The parent and student are listed in the lawsuit only as Doe 4 and Doe 5.

Doe 5 is the parent of Doe 4, who according to the lawsuit is a student at the junior high.


http://www.wpxi.com/news/news/local/rallies-will-support-ten-commandments-monument-con/nSNMr/



Quoting JoshRachelsMAMA:

She can pray on the sidewalk, next to/front of the school.



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