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School Bans Christian Mother From Praying on School’s Front Steps

School Officials Ban Christian Mother From Praying Aloud on School’s Front Steps

http://news.yahoo.com/school-officials-ban-christian-mother-praying-aloud-school-144039443.html

A faithful mother in Concord, New Hampshire, will be banned by public school officials from delivering sermons and speeches on the front steps of Concord High School. Lizarda Urena's public proclamations -- uttered aloud as students entered the school -- included prayers and Bible verses, among other religious sentiment.

Concord School Officials Ban Christian Mother Lizarda Urena From Praying Aloud on School Grounds Following Atheist Complaint

Prayer

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Urena, who has two high-school aged children, apparently began arriving at the school around 7 a.m. back in February to offer up prayers. Her ritual, the New Hampshire Union Leader reports, began after she heard that bullets were found in a school bathroom. Now officials, led by Superintendent Christine Rath, are cracking down, claiming that the mother's actions will no longer be allowed when the new school year begins.

The mother's prayers apparently came to the attention of the Freedom From Religion Foundation (FFRF), an atheist activist non-profit that works to strip faith out of the public sphere. After learning that Urena was issuing sectarian prayers and proclamations, the organization complained to the district.

"We sent an open records request to the school district, asking them for copies of any meeting minutes or any sort of documents which gave this woman permission to pray on school property," FFRF attorney Rebecca Markert told the Union Leader.

The FFRF was particularly frustrated that the school did not crack down on the speech in the first place. After receiving word from officials that there never was permission for the mother -- at least a documented allowance -- to be speaking on campus in such a manner, the group successfully argued that the Concord School District should make moves to prevent her sermons.

The Alliance for Defending Freedom, a conservative group, defended Urena's prayer atop the school stairs.

"Students and community members that are allowed to come on campus and participate in a neutral thing are allowed to express religious viewpoints," the group's general counsel Matthew Sharp told the Union Leader. "The students know it's the mother and her own speech -- something that the First Amendment protects -- and that it is not the school mandating this woman to do it."

But other groups like the New Hampshire Civil Liberties Union agree with the district's stance on the matter. Since students are forced to enter the school and, thus, listen to Urena's speech, the debate is a fascinating one.

The Concord Monitor reports that, as of earlier this week, Urena hadn't yet been told to stop having a presence on campus, but, on Wednesday, Principal Gene Connolly was slated to meet with the mother. The report claims that the mother had already been asked to stop praying aloud, though -- a request she complied with.

Concord School Officials Ban Christian Mother Lizarda Urena From Praying Aloud on School Grounds Following Atheist Complaint

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The outlet, which started to cover the debate back in May, continues:

After the Monitor's article ran [in mid-May], Urena said she was asked to stop praying aloud but was permitted to stay on school property. She heard that people began complaining about her to administrators. When she began praying silently, some students approached her and asked why they could no longer hear her, she said.

Urena plans to continue praying for the students' safety even if she can't do so on campus. She will pray at her home or at the gas station across the street from the school, she said. Although she is sad she will be asked to leave, she said she appreciates that Connolly let her pray there for several months.

Urena's story has prompted diverse responses from faith leaders. While some believe she should have the right to pray at the school in this manner, others agree that the district did the right thing by stopping it.

The FFRF has argued that the district's initial silence was a "stamp of approval" on the mother's faith-based messages. What do you think? Should the mother be allowed to pray...?


....I am only responsible for what I say,NOT for what you understand.....
by on Jul. 26, 2013 at 11:44 AM
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SilverSterling
by MrsSilverusSnape on Jul. 26, 2013 at 12:49 PM

It's the same in all 3 Schools my kids are in.. If your not there to pick up drop off or visit your child your not permitted to loiter.. Now I will not say that we don't all stand by our cars in the parking lot and plan things sometimes but we don't loiter in front of the doors making pests of ourselves... 

mikiemom
by Ruby Member on Jul. 26, 2013 at 12:49 PM

 

Sure right after I draw a great bit pentagram in chalk on the front walkway - it's ok right? oh I did not vandelize anything as the chalk washes right off. this scenario would be supported by the christian ladies i here right?

Quoting Godgaveme4:

Will you be doing it silently? The mom stopped preaching when asked to. She then started praying silently. But the FFRF says that is also unacceptable.

So, I ask, will you be conducting your prayer silently?


Quoting mikiemom:

Good.


And for the ladies who think this is ok, is it ok for me to conduct a ritual spell on the steps of my sons school - I mean it will only be a protection spell - if you think this mom is right you would have to let me do a spell as well right?


 

SilverSterling
by MrsSilverusSnape on Jul. 26, 2013 at 12:50 PM

Get Outta my head please

Quoting shannonnigans:

What a freaking loon. 'Fess up - which of you women is it?


"There will be no foolish wand-waving or silly incantations in this class. As such, I don't expect many of you to appreciate the subtle science and exact art that is potion-making. However, for those select few... Who possess, the predisposition... I can teach you how to bewitch the mind and ensnare the senses. I can tell you how to bottle fame, brew glory, and even put a stopper in death." —Professor Snape


Friday
by HRH of MJ on Jul. 26, 2013 at 12:54 PM


Quoting tanyainmizzou:

Except they might sue to stop that since some think children shouldn't have to be exposed to religion at all.




CONNELLSVILLE, Pa. —

A national group that advocates church-state separation has filed a federal lawsuit seeking to force a Fayette County school district to remove a Ten Commandments monolith from the grounds of its junior high school.

On behalf of an unnamed parent and student, the Wisconsin-based Freedom from Religion Foundation filed the lawsuit against the Connellsville Area School District on Thursday in U.S. District Court in Pittsburgh.

The foundation alleges the 6-foot tall stone monument at Connellsville Junior High School violates the establishment clause of the First Amendment.

They want a judge to order it removed from school property and to prohibit its placement on the grounds of a nearby church.

The group, through Pittsburgh attorney Marcus B. Schneider of Steele Schneider, contends the monument should not be moved to the Connellsville Church of God’s property because it would still be in view of students “who cannot avoid it when playing on athletic fields.”

The parent and student are listed in the lawsuit only as Doe 4 and Doe 5.

Doe 5 is the parent of Doe 4, who according to the lawsuit is a student at the junior high.


http://www.wpxi.com/news/news/local/rallies-will-support-ten-commandments-monument-con/nSNMr/



Quoting JoshRachelsMAMA:

She can pray on the sidewalk, next to/front of the school.


I agree with removing it from school grounds but insisting it can't be anywhere that students might possibly see it from the school, is stupid. Especially since they want to move it to a church.

I support keeping religion out of govt owned and run properties but churches and private properties should be able to do as they please, within zoning regs of course.

 


Thank God......it's Friday!!!

Godgaveme4
by Platinum Member on Jul. 26, 2013 at 12:55 PM
Well, did the woman praying erect a large cross on the front steps to pray in front of? I believe she was praying silently. So, like I said in my response, will you be praying silently? Would the pentagram be considered casting your prayer out loud? I am curious.

Quoting mikiemom:

 


Sure right after I draw a great bit pentagram in chalk on the front walkway - it's ok right? oh I did not vandelize anything as the chalk washes right off. this scenario would be supported by the christian ladies i here right?


Quoting Godgaveme4:

Will you be doing it silently? The mom stopped preaching when asked to. She then started praying silently. But the FFRF says that is also unacceptable.

So, I ask, will you be conducting your prayer silently?



Quoting mikiemom:


Good.



And for the ladies who think this is ok, is it ok for me to conduct a ritual spell on the steps of my sons school - I mean it will only be a protection spell - if you think this mom is right you would have to let me do a spell as well right?




 

TimetoMomUp
by Runt on Jul. 26, 2013 at 12:57 PM
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I am editing because it was not my intent that you get ganged up on.  I apologize for that.   

Quoting candlegal:

And yet people still can't figure out why our schools have these shootings.



Friday
by HRH of MJ on Jul. 26, 2013 at 12:57 PM


Quoting tanyainmizzou:

I agree, but I keep getting told it is only about getting it off government property.

Well, this proves that wrong.

Quoting Jambo4:

Now this goes way to far. They have NO right to demand it not be placed on nearby church property.
Quoting tanyainmizzou:

Except they might sue to stop that since some think children shouldn't have to be exposed to religion at all.




CONNELLSVILLE, Pa. —

A national group that advocates church-state separation has filed a federal lawsuit seeking to force a Fayette County school district to remove a Ten Commandments monolith from the grounds of its junior high school.

On behalf of an unnamed parent and student, the Wisconsin-based Freedom from Religion Foundation filed the lawsuit against the Connellsville Area School District on Thursday in U.S. District Court in Pittsburgh.

The foundation alleges the 6-foot tall stone monument at Connellsville Junior High School violates the establishment clause of the First Amendment.

They want a judge to order it removed from school property and to prohibit its placement on the grounds of a nearby church.

The group, through Pittsburgh attorney Marcus B. Schneider of Steele Schneider, contends the monument should not be moved to the Connellsville Church of God’s property because it would still be in view of students “who cannot avoid it when playing on athletic fields.”

The parent and student are listed in the lawsuit only as Doe 4 and Doe 5.

Doe 5 is the parent of Doe 4, who according to the lawsuit is a student at the junior high.


http://www.wpxi.com/news/news/local/rallies-will-support-ten-commandments-monument-con/nSNMr/



Quoting JoshRachelsMAMA:

She can pray on the sidewalk, next to/front of the school.



Some people or groups take things too far, doesn't mean they represent the beliefs of all non-theists. Rabid Atheists are why I'm Agnostic, they turn me off as much as Fundamentalist religious people.


 


Thank God......it's Friday!!!

Mommy_of_Riley
by Jes on Jul. 26, 2013 at 12:58 PM
It's a Public School and technically she is loitering.

All the schools I have attended, my kids have attended, & I have worked at adults are not allowed to just hang out on the property. If they do want to visit they must sign in, get a name tag pass, and then go to where they need to go (conference room, classroom, cafeteria, etc.)

Loitering is Loitering.

I bet she could request to start a prayer group and do it in the gym before or after school.


Quoting Godgaveme4:

She was asked to stop preaching and pray quietly. Which she did. And now the FFRF is saying that is also not okay. No one can hear her.



Why does it have to be off school property?



Should they post a sign at the edge of the property reminding parents and students that there is no praying past this point?




Quoting Mommy_of_Riley:

She's giving sermons? On the steps of the school?





What a weirdo. I wouldn't want to see that when I went to school in the morning because its not her place to teach me about religion.





If she really wants to pray there every morning then she can do so on a sidewalk off of school property.
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SilverSterling
by MrsSilverusSnape on Jul. 26, 2013 at 1:02 PM

There have been school shootings and horrible things happening Long before they took prayer out of schools. As a Christian I am insulted that other Christian's would be so hateful and say such a thing let alone wish something like that because of no prayers in school.. Honestly kids do still pray as well as teachers despite the fact they shouldn't. They just do it silently.. I can't believe the thoughtlessness of some people in this world..

Godgaveme4
by Platinum Member on Jul. 26, 2013 at 1:06 PM
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At our school you only have to sign in when you enter the building. Parents are welcome at anytime on school property. For any amount of time.

It is sad that parents re so unwelcome to the schools.


Quoting Mommy_of_Riley:

It's a Public School and technically she is loitering.



All the schools I have attended, my kids have attended, & I have worked at adults are not allowed to just hang out on the property. If they do want to visit they must sign in, get a name tag pass, and then go to where they need to go (conference room, classroom, cafeteria, etc.)



Loitering is Loitering.



I bet she could request to start a prayer group and do it in the gym before or after school.




Quoting Godgaveme4:

She was asked to stop preaching and pray quietly. Which she did. And now the FFRF is saying that is also not okay. No one can hear her.





Why does it have to be off school property?





Should they post a sign at the edge of the property reminding parents and students that there is no praying past this point?






Quoting Mommy_of_Riley:

She's giving sermons? On the steps of the school?







What a weirdo. I wouldn't want to see that when I went to school in the morning because its not her place to teach me about religion.







If she really wants to pray there every morning then she can do so on a sidewalk off of school property.
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