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Right-wing push poll accidentally finds Obamacare popular

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Right-wing push poll accidentally finds Obamacare popular

Heritage's new poll oversamples Republicans and asks misleading questions -- but finds most want to keep Obamacare

(Credit: AP/Charles Dharapak)

Heritage Action, the activist wing of the conservative Heritage Foundation, is out with a new poll today that’s getting some favorable coverage in the mainstream political press. According to Heritage, the survey shows that the GOP shouldn’t fear a government shutdown over Obamacare defunding. But there’s a catch.

The background here is that a group of conservative senators, including Ted Cruz, Mike Lee and Marco Rubio, are trying to push Republican leaders to demand that Congress defund Obamacare in upcoming appropriations battles , even if it means forcing the government to shut down. Heritage supports the effort, so it took the poll to try to steel the spines of Republican leaders.

“Americans — including 57 percent of independents in ten critical congressional districts — favor defunding Obamacare,” said Michael Needham, the CEO of Heritage Action. “House Republicans should be much more concerned with the fallout of failing to defund Obamacare than with the imaginary fallout of doing so.”

What Needham fails to mention, however, is that even this push poll that dramatically oversamples Republicans (more on that in a minute) finds respondents are more likely to say that the Affordable Care Act should be kept than scrapped — and that a plurality would blame Republicans if the government were to shut down.

Only 44.5 percent “oppose the health care law and think it should be repealed,” while 52 percent either support the law as is or have some concerns, but say they think implementation should move forward. And asked whom they would blame if “there was an impasse between president Obama and Congress on whether to continue to fund the health care law, and that impasse resulted in a partial government shutdown,” the top response (28 percent) was Republicans in Congress. The next option, Obama, got 21 percent of respondents.

As for Heritage’s sample, which NBC calls voters from “10 relatively competitive congressional districts,” and Heritage says represents “the American people” as a whole — not so much.


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Josh Dorner of the Center for American Progress Action Fund — Heritage Action’s ideological rival — cries foul. He sent over the partisan breakdown of each of the 10 districts and noted that every single one leans Republican:

o FL-2 Southerland R+5
o GA-12 Barrow R+9
o IL-18 Schock R+10
o NJ-7 Lance R+6
o NC-2 Ellmers R+11
o NC-7 McIntyre R+11
o OH-12 Tiberi R+8
o OR-2 Walden R+10
o UT-4 Matheson R+14
o WV-3 Rahall R+14

The poll even asked respondents directly for their party affiliation. Not surprisingly, there were almost 10 percentage points more Republicans (41.8 percent) than Democrats (33 percent). That looks even worse when you consider that more people identify as Democrats than Republicans nationwide, and by a margin of 7 percentage points, according to the latest Gallup survey. That means that Heritage’s poll is arguably oversampling Republicans by around 15 percent.

One could further take issue with a poll that asks respondents leading questions like, do you think Congress should “halt funding for the health care law before provisions take effect, to make sure they do not do more harm than good?”

And the key question of the survey — would you support a government shutdown to defund Obamacare? — is comically euphemistic, calling a hypothetical shutdown a “temporary slowdown in non-essential federal government operations, which still left all essential government services running.”

And yet, despite oversampling Republicans and asking misleading questions, the poll still finds that pluralities favor keeping Obamacare and that Republicans would bear the brunt of the public’s wrath if the government shuts down.

by on Aug. 15, 2013 at 8:59 AM
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numbr1wmn
by Nikki on Aug. 17, 2013 at 12:22 PM
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Patients aren't likely to curb their drug costs and doctor visits if health care is free; thus, total costs will be several times what they are now.Co-pays and deductibles were put in place because there are medical problems that are more minor annoyances than anything else. Sure, it would be nice if we had the medical staff and resources to treat every ache and pain experienced by an American, but we don't. For example, what if a patient is having trouble sleeping? What if a patient has a minor cold, flu, or headache? There are scores of problems that we wouldn't go to a doctor to solve if we had to pay for it; however, if everything is free, why not go? The result is that doctors must spend more time on non-critical care, and the patients that really need immediate help must wait. In fact, for a number of problems, it's better if no medical care is given whatsoever. The body's immune system is designed to fight off infections and other illnesses. It becomes stronger when it can fight things off on its own. Treating the symptoms can prolong the underlying problem, in addition to the societal side effects such as the growing antibiotic resistance of certain infections.

cjsbmom
by Lois Lane on Aug. 17, 2013 at 1:13 PM
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I've seen how a universal healthcare system can work, so I take very little stock in these kinds of studies and commentaries because they are usually rife with inaccuracies. 

I would like to comment on some inconsistencies in what you posted.

First off, elective surgeries (such as boob jobs) generally are not covered now by most private insurances. The only time a boob job, for instance, is covered is if it's done following a mastectomy to treat cancer. Breast reductions can be covered if they are for health improvement reasons. Same is true for hair replacement treatments and Lasik surgery. Those things are all elective, and private insurance just doesn't cover it. So to say we'd be losing that benefit by going to universal healthcare is grossly inaccurate. 

The comments about how the system in Canada are run are also way off. Know how I know? Because my husband's family all live in Canada. You do not wait six months for a pap smear. Preventative healthcare is taken quite seriously in Canada. Politicians are not in charge of the administration of your healthcare in Canada. Doctors are. 


Quoting numbr1wmn:

 http://www.balancedpolitics.org/universal_health_care.htm

Government-controlled health care would lead to a decrease in patient flexibility.At first glance, it would appear universal health care would increase flexibility. After all, if government paid for everything under one plan, you could in theory go to any doctor. However, some controls are going to have to be put in to keep costs from exploding. For example, would "elective" surgeries such as breast implants, wart removal, hair restoration, and lasik eye surgery be covered? Then you may say, that's easy, make patients pay for elective surgery. Although some procedures are obviously not needed, who decides what is elective and what is required? What about a breast reduction for back problems? What about a hysterectomy for fibroid problems? What about a nose job to fix a septum problem caused in an accident? Whenever you have government control of something, you have one item added to the equation that will most definitely screw things up--politics. Suddenly, every medical procedure and situation is going to come down to a political battle. The compromises that result will put in controls that limit patient options. The universal system in Canada forces patients to wait over 6 months for a routine pap smear. Canada residents will often go to the U.S. or offer additional money to get their health care needs taken care of.



Quoting cjsbmom:

It's our fault because we keep electing the same dumbasses into office. If we don't like it, we need to change it. 

Quoting numbr1wmn:

 When has the USA's government ever do things correctly?


Quoting cjsbmom:

Not if it's done correctly. Do you know anyone who lives in a country with universal healthcare?

Quoting numbr1wmn:

 Universal healthcare gives more power to the government. Hell NO


Quoting cjsbmom:

All of this confusion would not be happening if Obama had just done what he actually promised, which was to bring universal healthcare to the US. There is no confusion about how that works. No insurance exchanges to establish and monitor. No wondering if you're in network or not. No fines if you're not insured because everyone is insured. You walk into any doctor's office or hospital and you receive treatment. It's really quite simple. What complicated it was Congress' hissy fit in refusing to allow real healthcare reform in this country, so now we're stuck with the clusterfuck that is the ACA. 

Quoting numbr1wmn:

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/08/14/summertime-blues-polls-show-obamacare-support-eroding-amid-implementation/

As problems continue to pile up over the implementation of the Affordable Care Act, summertime polls from Fox News, Gallup and Rasmussen signal that growing confusion over the complexities of the law, how it will be rolled out and how much it will cost is eroding public support.   

A majority of Americans say they believe the new health care law will increase their medical costs and taxes, according to an Aug. 8 Fox News poll. The survey found 57 percent of those polled felt the way ObamaCare was being rolled out was "a joke." 

Overall, 63 percent of voters believe that the 2010 health care law needs to be changed. That number is up from 58 percent of those asked the question in July 2012. 

The number of Republicans who think the law should be changed remained steady at 84 percent. According to the poll, more voters used negative terms to describe the health care overhaul -- with 39 percent calling it "disastrous" and 14 percent calling it "a step backwards." 



Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/08/14/summertime-blues-polls-show-obamacare-support-eroding-amid-implementation/#ixzz2c8txUvms

Public Approval of Obama's Health Care Law

Polling Data

Poll Date Sample For/Favor Against/Oppose Spread
RCP Average 6/20 - 8/10 -- 39.5 51.3 Against/Oppose +11.8
Rasmussen Reports* 8/9 - 8/10 1000 LV 41 53 Against/Oppose +12
FOX News* 7/21 - 7/23 1017 RV 40 53 Against/Oppose +13
CBS News 7/18 - 7/22 1036 A 36 54 Against/Oppose +18
ABC News/Wash Post 7/18 - 7/21 1002 A 42 49 Against/Oppose +7
NBC News/Wall St. Jrnl 7/17 - 7/21 1000 A 34 47 Against/Oppose +13
Gallup 6/20 - 6/24 2048 A 44 52 Against/Oppose +8

All Public Approval of Obama's Health Care Law Polling Data

 











grandmab125
by Gold Member on Aug. 17, 2013 at 4:36 PM

See my reply below.

 

Quoting cjsbmom:

I've seen how a universal healthcare system can work, so I take very little stock in these kinds of studies and commentaries because they are usually rife with inaccuracies. 

I would like to comment on some inconsistencies in what you posted.

First off, elective surgeries (such as boob jobs) generally are not covered now by most private insurances. The only time a boob job, for instance, is covered is if it's done following a mastectomy to treat cancer. Breast reductions can be covered if they are for health improvement reasons. Same is true for hair replacement treatments and Lasik surgery. Those things are all elective, and private insurance just doesn't cover it. So to say we'd be losing that benefit by going to universal healthcare is grossly inaccurate. 

The comments about how the system in Canada are run are also way off. Know how I know? Because my husband's family all live in Canada. You do not wait six months for a pap smear. Preventative healthcare is taken quite seriously in Canada. Politicians are not in charge of the administration of your healthcare in Canada. Doctors are. 


Quoting numbr1wmn:

 http://www.balancedpolitics.org/universal_health_care.htm

Government-controlled health care would lead to a decrease in patient flexibility.At first glance, it would appear universal health care would increase flexibility. After all, if government paid for everything under one plan, you could in theory go to any doctor. However, some controls are going to have to be put in to keep costs from exploding. For example, would "elective" surgeries such as breast implants, wart removal, hair restoration, and lasik eye surgery be covered? Then you may say, that's easy, make patients pay for elective surgery. Although some procedures are obviously not needed, who decides what is elective and what is required? What about a breast reduction for back problems? What about a hysterectomy for fibroid problems? What about a nose job to fix a septum problem caused in an accident? Whenever you have government control of something, you have one item added to the equation that will most definitely screw things up--politics. Suddenly, every medical procedure and situation is going to come down to a political battle. The compromises that result will put in controls that limit patient options. The universal system in Canada forces patients to wait over 6 months for a routine pap smear. Canada residents will often go to the U.S. or offer additional money to get their health care needs taken care of.

 

 

Quoting cjsbmom:

It's our fault because we keep electing the same dumbasses into office. If we don't like it, we need to change it. 

Quoting numbr1wmn:

 When has the USA's government ever do things correctly?

 

Quoting cjsbmom:

Not if it's done correctly. Do you know anyone who lives in a country with universal healthcare?

Quoting numbr1wmn:

 Universal healthcare gives more power to the government. Hell NO

 

Quoting cjsbmom:

All of this confusion would not be happening if Obama had just done what he actually promised, which was to bring universal healthcare to the US. There is no confusion about how that works. No insurance exchanges to establish and monitor. No wondering if you're in network or not. No fines if you're not insured because everyone is insured. You walk into any doctor's office or hospital and you receive treatment. It's really quite simple. What complicated it was Congress' hissy fit in refusing to allow real healthcare reform in this country, so now we're stuck with the clusterfuck that is the ACA. 

Quoting numbr1wmn:

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/08/14/summertime-blues-polls-show-obamacare-support-eroding-amid-implementation/

As problems continue to pile up over the implementation of the Affordable Care Act, summertime polls from Fox News, Gallup and Rasmussen signal that growing confusion over the complexities of the law, how it will be rolled out and how much it will cost is eroding public support.   

A majority of Americans say they believe the new health care law will increase their medical costs and taxes, according to an Aug. 8 Fox News poll. The survey found 57 percent of those polled felt the way ObamaCare was being rolled out was "a joke." 

Overall, 63 percent of voters believe that the 2010 health care law needs to be changed. That number is up from 58 percent of those asked the question in July 2012. 

The number of Republicans who think the law should be changed remained steady at 84 percent. According to the poll, more voters used negative terms to describe the health care overhaul -- with 39 percent calling it "disastrous" and 14 percent calling it "a step backwards." 



Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/08/14/summertime-blues-polls-show-obamacare-support-eroding-amid-implementation/#ixzz2c8txUvms

Public Approval of Obama's Health Care Law

Polling Data

Poll Date Sample For/Favor Against/Oppose Spread
RCP Average 6/20 - 8/10 -- 39.5 51.3 Against/Oppose +11.8
Rasmussen Reports* 8/9 - 8/10 1000 LV 41 53 Against/Oppose +12
FOX News* 7/21 - 7/23 1017 RV 40 53 Against/Oppose +13
CBS News 7/18 - 7/22 1036 A 36 54 Against/Oppose +18
ABC News/Wash Post 7/18 - 7/21 1002 A 42 49 Against/Oppose +7
NBC News/Wall St. Jrnl 7/17 - 7/21 1000 A 34 47 Against/Oppose +13
Gallup 6/20 - 6/24 2048 A 44 52 Against/Oppose +8

All Public Approval of Obama's Health Care Law Polling Data

 


 

 


 

 


 

 


 

grandma B

cjsbmom
by Lois Lane on Aug. 17, 2013 at 4:39 PM

I see no reply below. 

Quoting grandmab125:

See my reply below.

 

Quoting cjsbmom:

I've seen how a universal healthcare system can work, so I take very little stock in these kinds of studies and commentaries because they are usually rife with inaccuracies. 

I would like to comment on some inconsistencies in what you posted.

First off, elective surgeries (such as boob jobs) generally are not covered now by most private insurances. The only time a boob job, for instance, is covered is if it's done following a mastectomy to treat cancer. Breast reductions can be covered if they are for health improvement reasons. Same is true for hair replacement treatments and Lasik surgery. Those things are all elective, and private insurance just doesn't cover it. So to say we'd be losing that benefit by going to universal healthcare is grossly inaccurate. 

The comments about how the system in Canada are run are also way off. Know how I know? Because my husband's family all live in Canada. You do not wait six months for a pap smear. Preventative healthcare is taken quite seriously in Canada. Politicians are not in charge of the administration of your healthcare in Canada. Doctors are. 


Quoting numbr1wmn:

 http://www.balancedpolitics.org/universal_health_care.htm

Government-controlled health care would lead to a decrease in patient flexibility.At first glance, it would appear universal health care would increase flexibility. After all, if government paid for everything under one plan, you could in theory go to any doctor. However, some controls are going to have to be put in to keep costs from exploding. For example, would "elective" surgeries such as breast implants, wart removal, hair restoration, and lasik eye surgery be covered? Then you may say, that's easy, make patients pay for elective surgery. Although some procedures are obviously not needed, who decides what is elective and what is required? What about a breast reduction for back problems? What about a hysterectomy for fibroid problems? What about a nose job to fix a septum problem caused in an accident? Whenever you have government control of something, you have one item added to the equation that will most definitely screw things up--politics. Suddenly, every medical procedure and situation is going to come down to a political battle. The compromises that result will put in controls that limit patient options. The universal system in Canada forces patients to wait over 6 months for a routine pap smear. Canada residents will often go to the U.S. or offer additional money to get their health care needs taken care of.



Quoting cjsbmom:

It's our fault because we keep electing the same dumbasses into office. If we don't like it, we need to change it. 

Quoting numbr1wmn:

 When has the USA's government ever do things correctly?


Quoting cjsbmom:

Not if it's done correctly. Do you know anyone who lives in a country with universal healthcare?

Quoting numbr1wmn:

 Universal healthcare gives more power to the government. Hell NO


Quoting cjsbmom:

All of this confusion would not be happening if Obama had just done what he actually promised, which was to bring universal healthcare to the US. There is no confusion about how that works. No insurance exchanges to establish and monitor. No wondering if you're in network or not. No fines if you're not insured because everyone is insured. You walk into any doctor's office or hospital and you receive treatment. It's really quite simple. What complicated it was Congress' hissy fit in refusing to allow real healthcare reform in this country, so now we're stuck with the clusterfuck that is the ACA. 

Quoting numbr1wmn:

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/08/14/summertime-blues-polls-show-obamacare-support-eroding-amid-implementation/

As problems continue to pile up over the implementation of the Affordable Care Act, summertime polls from Fox News, Gallup and Rasmussen signal that growing confusion over the complexities of the law, how it will be rolled out and how much it will cost is eroding public support.   

A majority of Americans say they believe the new health care law will increase their medical costs and taxes, according to an Aug. 8 Fox News poll. The survey found 57 percent of those polled felt the way ObamaCare was being rolled out was "a joke." 

Overall, 63 percent of voters believe that the 2010 health care law needs to be changed. That number is up from 58 percent of those asked the question in July 2012. 

The number of Republicans who think the law should be changed remained steady at 84 percent. According to the poll, more voters used negative terms to describe the health care overhaul -- with 39 percent calling it "disastrous" and 14 percent calling it "a step backwards." 



Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/08/14/summertime-blues-polls-show-obamacare-support-eroding-amid-implementation/#ixzz2c8txUvms

Public Approval of Obama's Health Care Law

Polling Data

Poll Date Sample For/Favor Against/Oppose Spread
RCP Average 6/20 - 8/10 -- 39.5 51.3 Against/Oppose +11.8
Rasmussen Reports* 8/9 - 8/10 1000 LV 41 53 Against/Oppose +12
FOX News* 7/21 - 7/23 1017 RV 40 53 Against/Oppose +13
CBS News 7/18 - 7/22 1036 A 36 54 Against/Oppose +18
ABC News/Wash Post 7/18 - 7/21 1002 A 42 49 Against/Oppose +7
NBC News/Wall St. Jrnl 7/17 - 7/21 1000 A 34 47 Against/Oppose +13
Gallup 6/20 - 6/24 2048 A 44 52 Against/Oppose +8

All Public Approval of Obama's Health Care Law Polling Data

 











 


grandmab125
by Gold Member on Aug. 17, 2013 at 4:44 PM

 cjsbmom:

You don't know every thing.  Check out these links to info from Canadian sites:

OECD iLibrary: Statistics / Health at a Glance / 2011 / Waiting times

http://www.oecd-ilibrary.org/sites/health_glance-2011-en/06/08/index.html;jsessionid=as008die826bn.delta?contentType=&itemId=/content/chapter/health_glance-2011-59-en&containerItemId=/content/serial/19991312&accessItemIds=/content/book/health_glance-2011-en&mimeType=text/html - 24k -

Surgery wait times in Canada growing longer: report - CTV News

http://www.ctvnews.ca/surgery-wait-times-in-canada-growing-longer-report-1.739055 - -

Waiting Your Turn: Wait Times for Health Care in Canada, 2012 ...

http://www.fraserinstitute.org/uploadedFiles/fraser-ca/Content/research-news/research/publications/waiting-your-turn-2012.pdf

The Canadian gov't considers it great if people get their non-emergency surgies within 182 days.....that's their noble (not) goal.

Surgical wait times not improving - Health - CBC News

http://www.cbc.ca/news/health/story/2013/03/19/wait-times-surgery.html -
cjsbmom
by Lois Lane on Aug. 17, 2013 at 5:49 PM

If it's considered non-emergency, then yes, you wait until the emergencies are taken care of first. That's the way it should work, IMO. I was talking to a friend who is a doctor recently, and she was saying that the day is coming when healthcare here in the U.S. is rationed, and not because it's a universal healthcare system, but because that's how insurance companies will decide to increase their profits. 

Anyone who has an HMO will tell you that denial of services and long wait times already are the norm in this country. 

Quoting grandmab125:

 cjsbmom:

You don't know every thing.  Check out these links to info from Canadian sites:

OECD iLibrary: Statistics / Health at a Glance / 2011 / Waiting times

http://www.oecd-ilibrary.org/sites/health_glance-2011-en/06/08/index.html;jsessionid=as008die826bn.delta?contentType=&itemId=/content/chapter/health_glance-2011-59-en&containerItemId=/content/serial/19991312&accessItemIds=/content/book/health_glance-2011-en&mimeType=text/html - 24k -

Surgery wait times in Canada growing longer: report - CTV News

http://www.ctvnews.ca/surgery-wait-times-in-canada-growing-longer-report-1.739055 - -

Waiting Your Turn: Wait Times for Health Care in Canada, 2012 ...

http://www.fraserinstitute.org/uploadedFiles/fraser-ca/Content/research-news/research/publications/waiting-your-turn-2012.pdf

The Canadian gov't considers it great if people get their non-emergency surgies within 182 days.....that's their noble (not) goal.

Surgical wait times not improving - Health - CBC News

http://www.cbc.ca/news/health/story/2013/03/19/wait-times-surgery.html -


grandmab125
by Gold Member on Aug. 17, 2013 at 5:51 PM

 I started a new thread so that half of the info wouldn't get lost under CM's stuff on the right hand side of the screen.  I put your name on it  in hopes that you would see it.......

Quoting cjsbmom:

I see no reply below. 

Quoting grandmab125:

See my reply below.

 

Quoting cjsbmom:

I've seen how a universal healthcare system can work, so I take very little stock in these kinds of studies and commentaries because they are usually rife with inaccuracies. 

I would like to comment on some inconsistencies in what you posted.

First off, elective surgeries (such as boob jobs) generally are not covered now by most private insurances. The only time a boob job, for instance, is covered is if it's done following a mastectomy to treat cancer. Breast reductions can be covered if they are for health improvement reasons. Same is true for hair replacement treatments and Lasik surgery. Those things are all elective, and private insurance just doesn't cover it. So to say we'd be losing that benefit by going to universal healthcare is grossly inaccurate. 

The comments about how the system in Canada are run are also way off. Know how I know? Because my husband's family all live in Canada. You do not wait six months for a pap smear. Preventative healthcare is taken quite seriously in Canada. Politicians are not in charge of the administration of your healthcare in Canada. Doctors are. 


Quoting numbr1wmn:

 http://www.balancedpolitics.org/universal_health_care.htm

Government-controlled health care would lead to a decrease in patient flexibility.At first glance, it would appear universal health care would increase flexibility. After all, if government paid for everything under one plan, you could in theory go to any doctor. However, some controls are going to have to be put in to keep costs from exploding. For example, would "elective" surgeries such as breast implants, wart removal, hair restoration, and lasik eye surgery be covered? Then you may say, that's easy, make patients pay for elective surgery. Although some procedures are obviously not needed, who decides what is elective and what is required? What about a breast reduction for back problems? What about a hysterectomy for fibroid problems? What about a nose job to fix a septum problem caused in an accident? Whenever you have government control of something, you have one item added to the equation that will most definitely screw things up--politics. Suddenly, every medical procedure and situation is going to come down to a political battle. The compromises that result will put in controls that limit patient options. The universal system in Canada forces patients to wait over 6 months for a routine pap smear. Canada residents will often go to the U.S. or offer additional money to get their health care needs taken care of.

 

 

Quoting cjsbmom:

It's our fault because we keep electing the same dumbasses into office. If we don't like it, we need to change it. 

Quoting numbr1wmn:

 When has the USA's government ever do things correctly?

 

Quoting cjsbmom:

Not if it's done correctly. Do you know anyone who lives in a country with universal healthcare?

Quoting numbr1wmn:

 Universal healthcare gives more power to the government. Hell NO

 

Quoting cjsbmom:

All of this confusion would not be happening if Obama had just done what he actually promised, which was to bring universal healthcare to the US. There is no confusion about how that works. No insurance exchanges to establish and monitor. No wondering if you're in network or not. No fines if you're not insured because everyone is insured. You walk into any doctor's office or hospital and you receive treatment. It's really quite simple. What complicated it was Congress' hissy fit in refusing to allow real healthcare reform in this country, so now we're stuck with the clusterfuck that is the ACA. 

Quoting numbr1wmn:

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/08/14/summertime-blues-polls-show-obamacare-support-eroding-amid-implementation/

As problems continue to pile up over the implementation of the Affordable Care Act, summertime polls from Fox News, Gallup and Rasmussen signal that growing confusion over the complexities of the law, how it will be rolled out and how much it will cost is eroding public support.   

A majority of Americans say they believe the new health care law will increase their medical costs and taxes, according to an Aug. 8 Fox News poll. The survey found 57 percent of those polled felt the way ObamaCare was being rolled out was "a joke." 

Overall, 63 percent of voters believe that the 2010 health care law needs to be changed. That number is up from 58 percent of those asked the question in July 2012. 

The number of Republicans who think the law should be changed remained steady at 84 percent. According to the poll, more voters used negative terms to describe the health care overhaul -- with 39 percent calling it "disastrous" and 14 percent calling it "a step backwards." 



Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/08/14/summertime-blues-polls-show-obamacare-support-eroding-amid-implementation/#ixzz2c8txUvms

Public Approval of Obama's Health Care Law

Polling Data

Poll Date Sample For/Favor Against/Oppose Spread
RCP Average 6/20 - 8/10 -- 39.5 51.3 Against/Oppose +11.8
Rasmussen Reports* 8/9 - 8/10 1000 LV 41 53 Against/Oppose +12
FOX News* 7/21 - 7/23 1017 RV 40 53 Against/Oppose +13
CBS News 7/18 - 7/22 1036 A 36 54 Against/Oppose +18
ABC News/Wash Post 7/18 - 7/21 1002 A 42 49 Against/Oppose +7
NBC News/Wall St. Jrnl 7/17 - 7/21 1000 A 34 47 Against/Oppose +13
Gallup 6/20 - 6/24 2048 A 44 52 Against/Oppose +8

All Public Approval of Obama's Health Care Law Polling Data

 


 

 


 

 


 

 


 


 

grandma B

cjsbmom
by Lois Lane on Aug. 17, 2013 at 5:54 PM

I don't even see it. Can you give me a link to it please?

Also, I wanted to mention that part of the reason routine procedures are falling behind in Canada is because they have a shortage of doctors in that country. Fewer people are going into the field. They are choosing more lucrative work, or leaving  Canada to work elsewhere. 

Quoting grandmab125:

 I started a new thread so that half of the info wouldn't get lost under CM's stuff on the right hand side of the screen.  I put your name on it  in hopes that you would see it.......

Quoting cjsbmom:

I see no reply below. 

Quoting grandmab125:

See my reply below.

 

Quoting cjsbmom:

I've seen how a universal healthcare system can work, so I take very little stock in these kinds of studies and commentaries because they are usually rife with inaccuracies. 

I would like to comment on some inconsistencies in what you posted.

First off, elective surgeries (such as boob jobs) generally are not covered now by most private insurances. The only time a boob job, for instance, is covered is if it's done following a mastectomy to treat cancer. Breast reductions can be covered if they are for health improvement reasons. Same is true for hair replacement treatments and Lasik surgery. Those things are all elective, and private insurance just doesn't cover it. So to say we'd be losing that benefit by going to universal healthcare is grossly inaccurate. 

The comments about how the system in Canada are run are also way off. Know how I know? Because my husband's family all live in Canada. You do not wait six months for a pap smear. Preventative healthcare is taken quite seriously in Canada. Politicians are not in charge of the administration of your healthcare in Canada. Doctors are. 


Quoting numbr1wmn:

 http://www.balancedpolitics.org/universal_health_care.htm

Government-controlled health care would lead to a decrease in patient flexibility.At first glance, it would appear universal health care would increase flexibility. After all, if government paid for everything under one plan, you could in theory go to any doctor. However, some controls are going to have to be put in to keep costs from exploding. For example, would "elective" surgeries such as breast implants, wart removal, hair restoration, and lasik eye surgery be covered? Then you may say, that's easy, make patients pay for elective surgery. Although some procedures are obviously not needed, who decides what is elective and what is required? What about a breast reduction for back problems? What about a hysterectomy for fibroid problems? What about a nose job to fix a septum problem caused in an accident? Whenever you have government control of something, you have one item added to the equation that will most definitely screw things up--politics. Suddenly, every medical procedure and situation is going to come down to a political battle. The compromises that result will put in controls that limit patient options. The universal system in Canada forces patients to wait over 6 months for a routine pap smear. Canada residents will often go to the U.S. or offer additional money to get their health care needs taken care of.



Quoting cjsbmom:

It's our fault because we keep electing the same dumbasses into office. If we don't like it, we need to change it. 

Quoting numbr1wmn:

 When has the USA's government ever do things correctly?


Quoting cjsbmom:

Not if it's done correctly. Do you know anyone who lives in a country with universal healthcare?

Quoting numbr1wmn:

 Universal healthcare gives more power to the government. Hell NO


Quoting cjsbmom:

All of this confusion would not be happening if Obama had just done what he actually promised, which was to bring universal healthcare to the US. There is no confusion about how that works. No insurance exchanges to establish and monitor. No wondering if you're in network or not. No fines if you're not insured because everyone is insured. You walk into any doctor's office or hospital and you receive treatment. It's really quite simple. What complicated it was Congress' hissy fit in refusing to allow real healthcare reform in this country, so now we're stuck with the clusterfuck that is the ACA. 

Quoting numbr1wmn:

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/08/14/summertime-blues-polls-show-obamacare-support-eroding-amid-implementation/

As problems continue to pile up over the implementation of the Affordable Care Act, summertime polls from Fox News, Gallup and Rasmussen signal that growing confusion over the complexities of the law, how it will be rolled out and how much it will cost is eroding public support.   

A majority of Americans say they believe the new health care law will increase their medical costs and taxes, according to an Aug. 8 Fox News poll. The survey found 57 percent of those polled felt the way ObamaCare was being rolled out was "a joke." 

Overall, 63 percent of voters believe that the 2010 health care law needs to be changed. That number is up from 58 percent of those asked the question in July 2012. 

The number of Republicans who think the law should be changed remained steady at 84 percent. According to the poll, more voters used negative terms to describe the health care overhaul -- with 39 percent calling it "disastrous" and 14 percent calling it "a step backwards." 



Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/08/14/summertime-blues-polls-show-obamacare-support-eroding-amid-implementation/#ixzz2c8txUvms

Public Approval of Obama's Health Care Law

Polling Data

Poll Date Sample For/Favor Against/Oppose Spread
RCP Average 6/20 - 8/10 -- 39.5 51.3 Against/Oppose +11.8
Rasmussen Reports* 8/9 - 8/10 1000 LV 41 53 Against/Oppose +12
FOX News* 7/21 - 7/23 1017 RV 40 53 Against/Oppose +13
CBS News 7/18 - 7/22 1036 A 36 54 Against/Oppose +18
ABC News/Wash Post 7/18 - 7/21 1002 A 42 49 Against/Oppose +7
NBC News/Wall St. Jrnl 7/17 - 7/21 1000 A 34 47 Against/Oppose +13
Gallup 6/20 - 6/24 2048 A 44 52 Against/Oppose +8

All Public Approval of Obama's Health Care Law Polling Data

 











 


 


autodidact
by Platinum Member on Aug. 17, 2013 at 5:59 PM

grandmab125
by Gold Member on Aug. 17, 2013 at 6:01 PM

 Well you doctor friend doesn't know what he/she is talking about.  It will definitely become rationed under Obamacare.  Obamacare has an 'advisory board' of non-medical hacks and political appointees who will be doing just that.  Hell the gov't already rations care to Medicare Patients.  And it's going to get worse, since Obama stole something like $716B from Medicare to help pay for Obamacare.

Inform your doctor friend, that Obamacare train wreck was set up to fail, so he can ride in on the white horse to save everyone with national/socialized health care.  You know, the kind where the gov't makes all of the decisions on health care.

Well, FYI, we don't like your system....long wait times and denial of services.  You can keep it.  And we'll keep treating your citizens who have the money to come here, where they don't have to wait 6 months for their elective surgeries.

Quoting cjsbmom:

If it's considered non-emergency, then yes, you wait until the emergencies are taken care of first. That's the way it should work, IMO. I was talking to a friend who is a doctor recently, and she was saying that the day is coming when healthcare here in the U.S. is rationed, and not because it's a universal healthcare system, but because that's how insurance companies will decide to increase their profits. 

Anyone who has an HMO will tell you that denial of services and long wait times already are the norm in this country. 

Quoting grandmab125:

 cjsbmom:

You don't know every thing.  Check out these links to info from Canadian sites:

OECD iLibrary: Statistics / Health at a Glance / 2011 / Waiting times

http://www.oecd-ilibrary.org/sites/health_glance-2011-en/06/08/index.html;jsessionid=as008die826bn.delta?contentType=&itemId=/content/chapter/health_glance-2011-59-en&containerItemId=/content/serial/19991312&accessItemIds=/content/book/health_glance-2011-en&mimeType=text/html - 24k -

Surgery wait times in Canadagrowing longer: report - CTV News

http://www.ctvnews.ca/surgery-wait-times-in-canada-growing-longer-report-1.739055 - -

Waiting Your Turn: Wait Times for Health Care in Canada, 2012 ...

http://www.fraserinstitute.org/uploadedFiles/fraser-ca/Content/research-news/research/publications/waiting-your-turn-2012.pdf

The Canadian gov't considers it great if people get their non-emergency surgies within 182 days.....that's their noble (not) goal.

Surgical wait times not improving - Health - CBC News

http://www.cbc.ca/news/health/story/2013/03/19/wait-times-surgery.html -


 

grandma B

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