Join the Meeting Place for Moms!
Talk to other moms, share advice, and have fun!

(minimum 6 characters)

Homosexual activist goes after pro-family group, wants donor list public

Posted by   + Show Post


A homosexual activist is attempting to weaken the National Organization for Marriage and eat away at its donor list. 

Chris Plante, regional director for NOM, describes Fred Karger as "a serial, frivolous case filer" who travelled from California to Iowa to file a campaign finance complaint against the organization.

“This same gentleman, an openly gay activist who fancies himself president of the United States one day, has filed similar complaints in Maine and California,” Plante says. “And at no time has NOM been found guilty of any wrongdoing.”

Plante, Chris (NOM-RI)So Plante considers the complaint harassment or, as he puts it, “a witchhunt.”

“It's an effort to silence people who would stand for marriage in the public square,” says Plante, “who would criticize and critique our politicians and judges who redefine marriage against the will of the people.

The complaint stems from NOM's successful work to oust three activist Iowa Supreme Court justices who legalized homosexual marriage from the bench.

“I spoke with the gentleman who filed the complaint and he was quite honest,” Plante tells OneNewsNow. “He said, My effort is to dry up your funding stream and silence your voice. And he knows that by forcing NOM to reveal donors, which we do not have to do under the law, will certainly scare people from donating.”

The complaint was made to the Iowa Ethics and Campaign Disclosure Board. The executive director and lead counsel for the board was the clerk for one of the unseated judges, and Plante says they are seeking her removal for her very vocal prejudice against the National Organization for Marriage. 

Source
by on Aug. 16, 2013 at 8:19 AM
Replies (41-50):
AtiFreeFalls
by Silver Member on Aug. 16, 2013 at 3:16 PM
1 mom liked this

 Around here there's a group that goes around and protests businesses, churches, gatherings and even individuals that they find unacceptable.  They go to gay bars and swingers clubs and pagan groups and get license plates of patrons then CALL THEIR BOSSES AND OUT THEM.  They scream at people just trying to observe their religion, including other Christian denominations.  But I'd bet the OP would be totally find with those tactics and no one would say a thing about it.

Quoting FromAtoZ:

Hilarious!

Some in this thread are making comments in regards to this activist doing any thing to get his way.

Yet when an activist that supports your agenda does the same it is some how over looked.

Pot.....meet kettle.

 

AtiFreeFalls
by Silver Member on Aug. 16, 2013 at 3:20 PM

 Just doing my due diligence here... do you have a link I can read on that?

Quoting SilverSterling:

My problem simply is the group has supported countries were killing of Gays and Lesbians is often encouraged and acceptable.. SO for me anyone who supports this group is OK with the death of gays and Lesbians and by giving money to this group your (general your) paying to have these people killed.

While I fully understand once you give money (or in this case blood money) you feel you have washed your hands of it and what these groups do with their money behind closed doors is their business I personally wouldn't and couldn't give money knowing that even a small portion of it is going to the support of killing anyone.

 

Shoota
by Lauren on Aug. 16, 2013 at 4:30 PM
1 mom liked this

But didn't NOM do the exact same thing? They "ousted" three judges that supported gay marriage. Weren't they also "silencing a voice"? Fred Karger is making legitimate claims, otherwise his complaints would not be brought up in the first place. Filing a complaint is unfair now? So, if I have a problem with a business or organization, I should say nothing? Because that would be considered unfair to the company/organization? 


Quoting prommy:

 He wants to be treated fairly by treating others unfairly.



Arroree
by Ruby Member on Aug. 16, 2013 at 4:36 PM

Because those on your side would NEVER do that...


Quoting candlegal:

Most of these activists have no problem using intimidation to get what they want.

Quoting blondekosmic15:

The point many who support traditional marriage have been making for yrs. Some gays will not be content with equal rights & benefits.

quote>

“He said, My effort is to dry up your funding stream and silence your voice. 




prommy
by Silver Member on Aug. 16, 2013 at 4:52 PM


Quoting Shoota:

But didn't NOM do the exact same thing? They "ousted" three judges that supported gay marriage. Weren't they also "silencing a voice"? Fred Karger is making legitimate claims, otherwise his complaints would not be brought up in the first place. Filing a complaint is unfair now? So, if I have a problem with a business or organization, I should say nothing? Because that would be considered unfair to the company/organization? 


Quoting prommy:

 He wants to be treated fairly by treating others unfairly.



I guess my point was more that it doesn't matter which side of the issue you're on, both sides could use a basic course on ethics.

Friday
by HRH of MJ on Aug. 16, 2013 at 5:07 PM

That's Capitalism. Just like the Wannabe Million Moms can boycott businesses they disagree with, so should the rest of us be able to. If NOM and those who support them feel so strongly then why wouldn't they want to be known? If I owned a business it would be quite clear that I support civil rights for all.

 


Thank God......it's Friday!!!

Friday
by HRH of MJ on Aug. 16, 2013 at 5:08 PM


Quoting jaxTheMomm:

NOM is pretty much a hate group, so I'm not surprised that their donors might not want to be exposed.

Oh, ETA:  This piece doesn't mention that NOM may be violating various state ethics boards by hiding the names of campaign donors.

WHAAAAAAAAA

Oh dear.....  Yeah, NOM is totally legit.  *rolleyes*

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/fred-karger/national-organization-for-marriage-irs_b_3308444.html



Quote:

The National Organization for Marriage (NOM) is under investigation in Maine and California for possible election fraud and money laundering, because NOM refused to obey those states' election laws and report its donors.

The Maine investigation has been going on for nearly four years. Why so long? NOM sued Maine election officials in 2009. NOM took its case all the way to the United States Supreme Court to avoid playing by the rules after it contributed $1.9 million to overturn Maine's gay marriage law. Gay marriage was passed that year by both houses of the legislature and signed into law by the governor.

In 2008 NOM raised nearly all the money to qualify California's Proposition 8 for the ballot. It later became the largest donor to pass Prop 8. We now know that NOM raised an additional $345,000 in 2008 that it never reported to the California Secretary of State, including $10,000 from GOP presidential candidate Mitt Romney. The California Fair Political Practices Commission (FPPC) is investigating NOM for attempting to hide Romney's contribution and 10 more major donor names in that election. NOM sued all California election officials to avoid transparency in that state too and lost.

NOM leaders Brian Brown and Maggie Gallagher and its attorney John Eastman don't mind lying, repeatedly breaking election laws and demonizing gay people, so I guess it makes sense that they want to protect their major donors like Mitt Romney from dishonor even if it means that they all might go to jail.

NOM Suing IRS

Now NOM president Brian Brown is mad as hell at the IRS and is seizing on unrelated IRS troubles to lambast the agency and even went so far as to get Rep. Dave Camp (R-Mich.), chairman of the House Ways and Means Committee, to do NOM's bidding in his opening round of questions last week to former IRS Acting Director Steve Miller. Instead of trying to get to the bottom of why the IRS was giving extra scrutiny to tea party groups, Rep. Camp brought up NOM's ridiculous claim that the IRS actually helped get NOM's secret donors into the public eye. This was after NOM announced that it was filing yet another frivolous lawsuit, this time against the IRS.

Just Whom Is NOM Trying to Protect?

In 2007 and 2008, its first two years of existence, NOM never bothered to file any tax returns with the IRS. Its leaders think that they are above the law. Several people and I filed multiple complaints with the IRS to investigate NOM for this. Each subsequent year, NOM has either been late or filed at least two extensions on its tax returns. NOM is clearly trying to keep all its financial information secret. This is illegal if you are a 501(c)(3) or a 501(c)(4) tax-exempt organization like NOM.

NOM Will Stop at Nothing

Not only are there serious legal and tax issues with NOM, but thanks to the lawsuits that NOM filed in Maine, the Maine attorney general's office was able to subpoena its records and campaign plan, "Winning the Marriage Battle," which detail the dirty, nasty and underhanded way that NOM operates. These are posted on our website, Rights Equal Rights.

Judge H. Brock Hornby, the federal judge in the NOM case in Maine, unsealed four of these documents a year ago, and the world was shocked to see the slimy way that NOM operates. Here are just a few items from NOM's "confidential" documents (emphasis, in italics, is mine):

  1. NOM tried to drive a wedge between gay marriage supporters and the black community:
    Ultimately we aim to raise the costs of identifying with gay marriage, and also raise the attractiveness of identifying with traditional marriage. But we also need to accomplish a sophisticated cultural objective: interrupt the attempt to equate gay with black, and sexual orientation with race. We need to make traditional sexual morality intellectually respectable again in elite culture. The strategic goal ... is to drive a wedge between gays and blacks -- two key Democratic constituencies.
    They tried this by hiring several apparently "for-sale" black ministers like Harry Jackson of Hope Christian Church in Beltsville, Md.

  2. NOM tried to turn the Latino community against gay marriage in this country:
    We can interrupt this process of assimilation by making support for marriage a key badge of Latino identity. ... Our ultimate goal is to make opposition to gay marriage an identity marker, a badge of youth rebellion to conformist assimilation to the bad side of "Anglo" culture.


  3. NOM secretly planned to take its campaign of hate and bigotry global:
    We have learned much about how to win the marriage battle. ... What we need now is to find the resources to prosecute and expand this strategy to win marriage in the U.S., and expand it into a global movement.


NOM's Watchdog

I have been closely following the National Organization for Marriage since it was formed over five years ago. I filed both sworn complaints that led to the Maine and California investigations. I have written numerous columns about NOM's horrific misdeeds. I have continually called for a congressional investigation into its funding sources and refusal to file its annual tax returns. I have repeatedly challenged founders Maggie Gallagher and Brian Brown on their lies and deceit in fighting gay marriage all over the country. I called them out for the hateful "Marriage Pledge" that NOM urged all Republican presidential candidates to sign. Those who didn't sign the pledge, like former Rep. Ron Paul (R-Texas), were brutalized with millions of dollars in attack ads in the early caucus and primary states.

We will not rest until NOM and its leaders cease and desist or end up in jail, where they most likely belong


.

Imagine that.

 


Thank God......it's Friday!!!

Friday
by HRH of MJ on Aug. 16, 2013 at 5:14 PM


Quoting blondekosmic15:

The point many who support traditional marriage have been making for yrs. Some gays will not be content with equal rights & benefits.

quote>

“He said, My effort is to dry up your funding stream and silence your voice. 

If they actually had equal rights maybe he would back off? Since NOM's 'voice' states that he doesn't deserve equal rights, I can understand his statement. I know I don't want to force others to change their beliefs, just stop trying to impose them on others. Which NOM most certainly does. I'm in Cali, I saw the BS they spread to pass Prop 8, lies and propaganda.

As far as I'm concerned y'all can believe in whatever you want as long as you(general) don't try to legislate those beliefs onto the rest of us.

 


Thank God......it's Friday!!!

Shoota
by Lauren on Aug. 16, 2013 at 5:15 PM

Yes. I totally agree!

Quoting prommy:


Quoting Shoota:

But didn't NOM do the exact same thing? They "ousted" three judges that supported gay marriage. Weren't they also "silencing a voice"? Fred Karger is making legitimate claims, otherwise his complaints would not be brought up in the first place. Filing a complaint is unfair now? So, if I have a problem with a business or organization, I should say nothing? Because that would be considered unfair to the company/organization? 


Quoting prommy:

 He wants to be treated fairly by treating others unfairly.



I guess my point was more that it doesn't matter which side of the issue you're on, both sides could use a basic course on ethics.



autodidact
by Platinum Member on Aug. 16, 2013 at 5:53 PM


false, your right to swing your arms ends at my nose. 

saying you find it distasteful, or sinful, or vexingly tempting is your right.

saying others' lives should be governed by YOUR belief is not. 

Quoting prommy:

 

Quoting Debmomto2girls:

Yeah. You wouldnt want those "gays" to be equal to you...

Quoting blondekosmic15:

The point many who support traditional marriage have been making for yrs. Some gays will not be content with equal rights & benefits.


quote>


“He said, My effort is to dry up your funding stream and silence your voice. 

 He  isn't exactly being fair minded either...everyone gets to have their beliefs and support those beliefs. Sometimes It isn't about whether you are for or against something, it's whether or not you believe that everyone has the right to voice their opinion and support that opinionin this country. Trying to shut something down because you don't find it agreeable is tyrannical.



Add your quick reply below:
You must be a member to reply to this post.
Join the Meeting Place for Moms!
Talk to other moms, share advice, and have fun!

(minimum 6 characters)



Featured