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DoD Leave for Same-Sex Marriage Criticized

Posted by on Aug. 20, 2013 at 7:09 AM
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This was a hot topic in the house this morning...do you think they're getting preferential treatment since basically they're getting up to four month's accrued vacation time for free, up to ten days paid vacation to get married? Heterosexuals do NOT get even one day of 'uncharged leave' to travel back home to marry. They can take leave but its 'counted on the books', unlike what is proposed below.

http://www.military.com/daily-news/2013/08/19/dod-leave-for-same-sex-marriage-criticized.html?comp=1198882887570&rank=9

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WASHINGTON -- Conservative critics are blasting the Defense Department for giving gay troops an early wedding gift: up to 10 days uncharged leave time for same-sex marriages.

Pentagon officials say it’s about fairness, not generosity. Only 13 states and the District of Columbia allow same-sex marriages, creating a hardship for U.S. servicemembers stationed in many parts of the world.

The policy change came last week as part of Pentagon plans to extend spousal benefits to all married couples, gay or straight, in the wake of a Supreme Court ruling in June knocking down the federal Defense of Marriage Act. For the last two years, defense officials have said that law barred them from offering any military benefits to legally married same-sex couples.

Along with housing stipends, health care coverage and separation pay, the new rules allow commanders to grant free leave time -- up to 10 days for troops overseas, up to seven days for U.S.-based troops more than 100 miles from a state that recognizes same-sex marriages -- for gay troops to marry.

Members of the Family Research Council, which opposed the “don’t ask, don’t tell” repeal, labeled the uncharged leave policy government-endorsed “homosexual honeymoons.” Peter Sprigg, FRC’s senior fellow for policy studies, said the move goes well beyond simply recognizing same-sex couples in the ranks.

“It could well be argued that the new policy actively discriminates against opposite-sex couples, who receive no special leave for their weddings,” he wrote in a FRC news release on Thursday.

DoD officials dismissed those arguments, saying that military life presents extra difficulties for gay troops looking to get married. Travel to the states that allow same-sex marriages is a significant problem for troops stationed in places such as Texas or South Korea.

“(The uncharged leave) will provide accelerated access to the full range of benefits offered to married military couples throughout the department and help level the playing field between opposite-sex and same-sex couples seeking to be married,” said Lt. Cmdr. Nate Christensen, a Pentagon spokesman.

Gay servicemembers aren’t guaranteed the full seven or 10 days off. Christensen said decisions on the amount of time granted will be made by their commanders, who will decide based on unit responsibilities and an individual’s personal situation.

The uncharged leave is for “traveling to a jurisdiction where [a same-sex] marriage may occur,” not for a wedding vacation, Christensen said.

Advocates noted that the military is offering uncharged leave, not travel stipends or any way to cover the costs of potentially lengthy trips.

“We don’t want the country at large to think that these couples are getting special treatment,” said Mark Mazzone, spokesman for the military LGBT advocacy group SPART*A. “There will still be expenses and difficulties, but we feel like (the uncharged leave) is a fair compromise.”

In the past, Pentagon officials have estimated that about 5,600 active-duty servicemembers and 3,400 guardsmen and reservists would apply for same-sex spousal benefits when they became available.


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Healthystart30
by Silver Member on Aug. 20, 2013 at 7:16 AM
I don't see the big deal. As a straight couple you can get married in any court house and it only takes a minute. What do you mean four months accrued vacation time?
stringtheory
by Gold Member on Aug. 20, 2013 at 7:20 AM
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I can see their point, especially for those stationed OCONUS. But, the resentment and backlash could be very bad. On a case by case basis, it seems appropriate (btw, I am active duty, and straight, so would count as one that should be upset). These benefits make me angry only when blatantly taken advantage of.
stringtheory
by Gold Member on Aug. 20, 2013 at 7:20 AM
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Oh, yeah, I seemed to miss that being explained also?

Quoting Healthystart30:

I don't see the big deal. As a straight couple you can get married in any court house and it only takes a minute. What do you mean four months accrued vacation time?
redbutterfly666
by Bronze Member on Aug. 20, 2013 at 7:23 AM
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Heterosexual couples can get married where they are stationed,same sex have to go look for a state that allows it
momtoscott
by Gold Member on Aug. 20, 2013 at 7:26 AM
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I think the military should extend the same benefits to straight marriages.  

Healthystart30
by Silver Member on Aug. 20, 2013 at 7:35 AM
Quoting momtoscott:

I think the military should extend the same benefits to straight marriages.  




Why?
momtoscott
by Gold Member on Aug. 20, 2013 at 7:37 AM
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Because not every straight couple wanting to get married is going to be facing the ideal travel or logistical circumstances, either.   

Quoting Healthystart30:

Quoting momtoscott:

I think the military should extend the same benefits to straight marriages.  




Why?


Woodbabe
by Woodie on Aug. 20, 2013 at 7:41 AM
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You earn 2.5 days of paid vacation/leave a month. It takes four months to accrue 10 days. When you 'take leave' the number of days you have earned is taken away from number you have 'on the books'. So by definition, by not having to take leave 'on the books' they're earning ten days of vacation and its not subtracted from your balance at all.

Quoting stringtheory:

Oh, yeah, I seemed to miss that being explained also?

Quoting Healthystart30:

I don't see the big deal. As a straight couple you can get married in any court house and it only takes a minute. What do you mean four months accrued vacation time?


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stringtheory
by Gold Member on Aug. 20, 2013 at 7:44 AM
Ok, the wording in the OP made it sound like it was an additional time to the ten days...

Quoting Woodbabe:

You earn 2.5 days of paid vacation/leave a month. It takes four months to accrue 10 days. When you 'take leave' the number of days you have earned is taken away from number you have 'on the books'. So by definition, by not having to take leave 'on the books' they're earning ten days of vacation and its not subtracted from your balance at all.

Quoting stringtheory:

Oh, yeah, I seemed to miss that being explained also?



Quoting Healthystart30:

I don't see the big deal. As a straight couple you can get married in any court house and it only takes a minute. What do you mean four months accrued vacation time?


stringtheory
by Gold Member on Aug. 20, 2013 at 7:46 AM
Except that a straight couple does not require travel for the most basic legal marriage, which is the point. A gay couple in Washington state would not be given any free leave, either, even if they desired to go down to Cali for the wedding.

Quoting momtoscott:

Because not every straight couple wanting to get married is going to be facing the ideal travel or logistical circumstances, either.   

Quoting Healthystart30:

Quoting momtoscott:

I think the military should extend the same benefits to straight marriages.  






Why?


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