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For those who feel church charities should/could replace welfare

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How would that work, exactly? 

Would one need to be a member?

If not, what would be the eligibility criteria specifically (other than generic "need")?

what services/help would be provided and to who? ( other than the generic "whatever they need")

how would the church reach out to those in need? Would the needy need to come beg?

if so, would there be a standard for eligibility and services that all church charities would be forced to meet or would the needy person need to go begging at multiple churches to find a "fit" during their time of need?

could the church turn down someone asking for help if the church does not approve of them for any reason? Like a gay married couple in need? 

Im not wanting a bash post... I am just wondering how this would work exactly....

Not Without Panties

by on Aug. 27, 2013 at 12:22 AM
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mcginnisc
by Member on Aug. 27, 2013 at 7:23 AM
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Our Church is incredible... we have several outreach ministries...

We have one called : Exit 1- this is an actual interstate exit where there are hundreds of homeless people living in tents. Our Church provides full lunches everyday, as well as once per month, they have a service there for them if they wish to attend. They also hand out camping supplies, food, clothing, toys, books, and they provide a hot lunch and showers. 

Hug Events: This is huge. They actually do this at Turner Field in Atlanta and they minister to thousands there by having hot food, and donations. 

There are so many more charity events, but what is great is that the Pastors will post things on FB about people that need help ( car is broken down, left abusive relationship and need housing for woman and children, as well as needs of the homeless in our community) and those needs are met very quickly by members of the Church. 

ETA: That said, I'm not sure that I feel public assistance should be replaced...reformed maybe, but not replaced. There is that little tidbit in the Constitution about the separation of Church and State, so I don't feel it would be in the best interests of the public if welfare programs were nixed completely and Churches took over. Some Churches are not as willing as others to minister to those with opposing views in life, which is a shame as Christ calls for us as Christians to help others regardless of their beliefs.

Claire


" I can do all things through Christ who strengthens me." Philippians 4:13 

Kristi831
by on Aug. 27, 2013 at 7:37 AM

As a Christian, I don't think churches/charities should replace welfare.  I think welfare should probably be reformed to a degree (but not taken away at all), but I don't think charities should replace it.  

candlegal
by Judy on Aug. 27, 2013 at 7:43 AM
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Our Church goes out 2 times a day to feed the homeless.   they have been doing this for years.   Unfortunately the city of San antonio is not happy about this are doing everything they can to bring all of this back under city control.  They dont' seem to want the Churches doing this, they want the taxpayers paying for it all.  They ara still doing it but run into a lot of roadblocks while doing it.

smalltownmom03
by Member on Aug. 27, 2013 at 7:46 AM
The church that I used to attend gave out food one Saturday a month. You didn't have to be a member. The only eligibility requirement was that you show up. They put a sign up the Sunday before that said they were giving out free food the following Saturday (I think it was the 3rd Saturday every month). If someone needed something any other time all they had to do was come in and ask. The preacher was there from 8-2 m-f and during services. They also helped out with other things when asked like helping someone pay their rent or light bill. I dont know why everyone thinks that you only get outdated food. If a food pantry gives out outdated food they can be shut down.
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billsfan1104
by Jules on Aug. 27, 2013 at 8:00 AM
What is your definition of beg?
One church tweets, or FB posts where they will be on a Saturdayfor grocery give out. Every one is welcome. They even give out clothes, toys, books and so forth. They are there for prayer as well. But they have never asked what people's personal lives are about.
I am Catholic, so if someone calls, they are usually referred to Catholic Charities and if it is an emergency, they get an appointment right away. Catholic Charities helps everyone. I have never been asked about my personal life. I have even asked my religion, but they also make it clear that I dot have to answer. I think it's for accounting and also so that they don't do anything to offend someone or go against their beliefs like a Jew or Muslim or Pagan.


Quoting NWP:

Ok how does that process work exactly? Can you cover the points asked in the op? Also do people need to come beg?



Quoting billsfan1104:

Our church and all the churches in our town, gives to everyone. They do not ask if they are gay or single or anything. That is not the point of charity. The point of Charity is to help EVERYONE in need.
EireLass
by Ruby Member on Aug. 27, 2013 at 8:12 AM
Why wouldn't the friend go to other Pagans for help?
Quoting weirdkids:

catholic charities seems to be more open to all walks of life. at least from my exeriance. a close friend of mine went through some rough times due to a bad choice in a roommate. she went through every avenue. her power was about to get shut off because the roommate said he was paying the bill and as it turns out he didnt pay it for almost 6 mo. she couldnt afford to pay it by the time she found out and was already behind on other bills trying to play catch up thanks to roommate. she had 3 small kids and one of them was under a year. she went and applied everywhere for assistance and the only people that would help were Catholic Cherities. i went with her for her appointment. it was interesting but not once overwhelming. the priest was very sweet. asked where our faith lied and we were honest with him. we told him we were pagan. unlike some christian denominations there was no "you are going to hell unless you give your heart to jesus, come get saved with us" (long story) hekinda got that interested look and started asking questions. we sat there an hour past the appointment time just chatting and comparing practices.

now one of the first places she tried was a baptist church. they were aweful. (** i mean no offence to anyone, it was just OUR experiance with the one particular church**) it started out normal. income check verifications, all that fun stuff. questions on what the money was for and what had happened to get that way etc. then it started. first was "well why doesnt your church help you?"so she told the woman that she and her family were pagan. the woman looked like her heart stopped. then the shit hit the fan. that woman went off on her for everything from going to hell for worshiping false gods to that she was going to hell for having children out of wedlock and they would go there too and it just got worse from there. at one point she even said that my friends children should be taken from her by families in the church so they could be saved from her wicked ways. my friend left hysterical. i was so in shock. i could not believe that someone who calls themselves christian could behave in such a manner. needless to say, they denied her the help.


EireLass
by Ruby Member on Aug. 27, 2013 at 8:15 AM

One of my tenants, who'd recently moved to MA from out of state...no connection to a local church...had a hard time when she got sick. A woman from St. Vincent de Paul called me to ask if I would accept a check from them. Thought it was very interesting.

Quoting candlegal:

I would bet that it was the St. Vincent de Paul Society.  Most Catholic Churches have one and they will help anyone in the neighborhood.   You don't have to be Catholic.  They will help with your bills and give you food to feed your family.

Quoting weirdkids:

catholic charities seems to be more open to all walks of life. at least from my exeriance. a close friend of mine went through some rough times due to a bad choice in a roommate. she went through every avenue. her power was about to get shut off because the roommate said he was paying the bill and as it turns out he didnt pay it for almost 6 mo. she couldnt afford to pay it by the time she found out and was already behind on other bills trying to play catch up thanks to roommate. she had 3 small kids and one of them was under a year. she went and applied everywhere for assistance and the only people that would help were Catholic Cherities. i went with her for her appointment. it was interesting but not once overwhelming. the priest was very sweet. asked where our faith lied and we were honest with him. we told him we were pagan. unlike some christian denominations there was no "you are going to hell unless you give your heart to jesus, come get saved with us" (long story) hekinda got that interested look and started asking questions. we sat there an hour past the appointment time just chatting and comparing practices.now one of the first places she tried was a baptist church. they were aweful. (** i mean no offence to anyone, it was just OUR experiance with the one particular church**) it started out normal. income check verifications, all that fun stuff. questions on what the money was for and what had happened to get that way etc. then it started. first was "well why doesnt your church help you?"so she told the woman that she and her family were pagan. the woman looked like her heart stopped. then the shit hit the fan. that woman went off on her for everything from going to hell for worshiping false gods to that she was going to hell for having children out of wedlock and they would go there too and it just got worse from there. at one point she even said that my friends children should be taken from her by families in the church so they could be saved from her wicked ways. my friend left hysterical. i was so in shock. i could not believe that someone who calls themselves christian could behave in such a manner. needless to say, they denied her the help.

stacymomof2
by Ruby Member on Aug. 27, 2013 at 8:15 AM
The churches could never keep up with demand. As people love to point out thesw programs cost millions. You can't require people ro donate to churches so how exactly would yhey be able to affor it even aassuming that they would want to? Would they have to staff an office? What would the church do if they ran out of money? There is no way it would work.
And my main question whenever I hear yhis proposed, besides how a church is going to staff enough people to verify and help everyon, is that if the cchurches are so willing to help people then what about the people who still get no help? Why wouldn't they start there ?
Della529
by Matlock on Aug. 27, 2013 at 8:16 AM

 No, one doesn't have to be Catholic, but when requesting assistance with bills (housing, utilities) they do have to bring proof of the bill and proof of income.  This is because of government funding (which was increased under the Obama administration) and the requirement to account for where the money is distributed.

I did an experiment when my oldest dd was an infant.  I dressed us both in raggedy clothes and went to various churches looking for "help".  The only ones that really offered any kind of real "help" were the Catholics, the Methodists, and Jews (Jewish Family & Community Services).  I was really appalled by the response from our mega-Baptist church and smaller Protestant denominations.  They were more interested in getting us into church and "saving" our souls. 

And before anyone jumps on the bash bandwagon - I didn't need help or accept it.  I simply wanted to verify for myself something my father had said about Catholicism, namely that it was the most generous.

Quoting candlegal:

I would bet that it was the St. Vincent de Paul Society.  Most Catholic Churches have one and they will help anyone in the neighborhood.   You don't have to be Catholic.  They will help with your bills and give you food to feed your family.

Quoting weirdkids:

catholic charities seems to be more open to all walks of life. at least from my exeriance. a close friend of mine went through some rough times due to a bad choice in a roommate. she went through every avenue. her power was about to get shut off because the roommate said he was paying the bill and as it turns out he didnt pay it for almost 6 mo. she couldnt afford to pay it by the time she found out and was already behind on other bills trying to play catch up thanks to roommate. she had 3 small kids and one of them was under a year. she went and applied everywhere for assistance and the only people that would help were Catholic Cherities. i went with her for her appointment. it was interesting but not once overwhelming. the priest was very sweet. asked where our faith lied and we were honest with him. we told him we were pagan. unlike some christian denominations there was no "you are going to hell unless you give your heart to jesus, come get saved with us" (long story) hekinda got that interested look and started asking questions. we sat there an hour past the appointment time just chatting and comparing practices.

now one of the first places she tried was a baptist church. they were aweful. (** i mean no offence to anyone, it was just OUR experiance with the one particular church**) it started out normal. income check verifications, all that fun stuff. questions on what the money was for and what had happened to get that way etc. then it started. first was "well why doesnt your church help you?"so she told the woman that she and her family were pagan. the woman looked like her heart stopped. then the shit hit the fan. that woman went off on her for everything from going to hell for worshiping false gods to that she was going to hell for having children out of wedlock and they would go there too and it just got worse from there. at one point she even said that my friends children should be taken from her by families in the church so they could be saved from her wicked ways. my friend left hysterical. i was so in shock. i could not believe that someone who calls themselves christian could behave in such a manner. needless to say, they denied her the help.

 


 

snookyfritz
by Platinum Member on Aug. 27, 2013 at 8:18 AM
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I don't believe churches are the best venue.  I believe the government has the best system and means of services delivered without prejudice.

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