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For those who feel church charities should/could replace welfare

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How would that work, exactly? 

Would one need to be a member?

If not, what would be the eligibility criteria specifically (other than generic "need")?

what services/help would be provided and to who? ( other than the generic "whatever they need")

how would the church reach out to those in need? Would the needy need to come beg?

if so, would there be a standard for eligibility and services that all church charities would be forced to meet or would the needy person need to go begging at multiple churches to find a "fit" during their time of need?

could the church turn down someone asking for help if the church does not approve of them for any reason? Like a gay married couple in need? 

Im not wanting a bash post... I am just wondering how this would work exactly....

Not Without Panties

by on Aug. 27, 2013 at 12:22 AM
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NWP
by guerrilla girl on Aug. 27, 2013 at 6:10 PM

Detroit is a perfect place to try these urban experiments, where real estate is cheap and there is a very real need. Detroit is ripe for reinvention. I have a suspicion that we will be seeing some very innovative urban movements coming out of Detroit in the next decade.

Quoting MsDenuninani:

I've heard of community-supported agriculture; is that what this is?

Friends of mine are trying to do this in Detroit.  


Quoting jaxTheMomm:

You should watch the video of his lecture - it's REALLY good.

He says he freely gives away the food they grow, but the rule is - you have to help out at some point, with something.  Bring seeds, weed, whatever.  You just have to give back.

ETA here's his group's website:  http://lagreengrounds.org/

Quoting stormcris:

Thank you for sharing this. I cannot believe they put a warrant out for him over that. I am glad he overcame it. I love his idea.

Quoting jaxTheMomm:

You might be interested in this, if you haven't seen/read it before:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/03/08/how-a-gangster-gardener-h_n_2822272.html

He's done something similar to what you've proposed, on a small level, and works to get his local community involved.  

Quoting stormcris:

Let's for a moment take the church out of it so I can propose an idea I have about this.

I have a really large garden. I cannot eat or store everything in it. I share it with my neighbors in barter for other services. I also cook for them. I think the establishment of community efforts in this manner could be supportive of such. Everyone has the possibility to offer something, even those with mental issues and various disabilities. So, perhaps they could not work on this garden due to whatever reason. But, they could in turn help fix the equipment, cook, or can. Outreach could be accomplished through a barter method in a similar manner. Suppose you really do not have any skills to offer or time because you work. Well you could add in money to support the purchase of seeds or other stuff. 

In other words, I think co-ops could replace welfare. I think co-ops could rebuild towns that are failing as well if the entire town came together to give such support. The real problem with such is you would have to move from the idea of capitalism (not that such could not still exist) into a mixed market of socialism (this is real socialism btw) with capitalism. A community or town could come together and work and do all that it does without the monetary system we have in place. 

Is this idealistic? Perhaps. But with the number of people who do charity work and the combination of benefit it could stabilize the social classes. It could be that the co-op has a farmers market and that money or money from members could support health care or a trade could be rendered. We have a charity in our local health care system for those who cannot get medicaid but are below a certain level. There is a fund for it. 

There are issues that would have to be worked out but it can work as it has in other communities. 









Not Without Panties

TruthSeeker.
by Milami on Aug. 27, 2013 at 6:14 PM

 Are we assuming that we the tax payers will have more in our pockets and the Gov will take less since they will no longer have to help the needy?

 In that case, the church members can donate all of that money to the church instead of have it forcibly taken by the Gov and distributed as they saw fit.

 I see it working much like it does now. By income. Income level and requirements. People that need health insurance would apply for "grants" to purchase private insurance. There are charities out there now that help in this way.

 For food. Warehouses stocked with all of the foods avail at your local groceries.  Charities need people to run them so you can also create jobs by running your charities to feed and clothe the needy.

candlegal
by Judy on Aug. 27, 2013 at 6:17 PM
You might as well stop after the first paragraph since you know that will never happen. They aren't going to give anything up.
Quoting TruthSeeker.:

 Are we assuming that we the tax payers will have more in our pockets and the Gov will take less since they will no longer have to help the needy?

 In that case, the church members can donate all of that money to the church instead of have it forcibly taken by the Gov and distributed as they saw fit.

 I see it working much like it does now. By income. Income level and requirements. People that need health insurance would apply for "grants" to purchase private insurance. There are charities out there now that help in this way.

 For food. Warehouses stocked with all of the foods avail at your local groceries.  Charities need people to run them so you can also create jobs by running your charities to feed and clothe the needy.

Sisteract
by Whoopie on Aug. 27, 2013 at 7:10 PM
How come the regions with the highest rates of poverty and welfare use per % are the south and Bible Belt....all those charitable folks, LOL! it is not working.


IMO, many grossly overestimate their generosity.
EireLass
by Ruby Member on Aug. 27, 2013 at 7:10 PM

They can, as she states. But my response was to her comment about 'some christian denominations' that weren't welcoming.

Quoting FlowerGirl777:

Well, why can't a Pagan go to the Catholics, and be welcomed? What is charity if its only for your own kind?

Quoting EireLass:

Why wouldn't the friend go to other Pagans for help?
Quoting weirdkids:

catholic charities seems to be more open to all walks of life. at least from my exeriance. a close friend of mine went through some rough times due to a bad choice in a roommate. she went through every avenue. her power was about to get shut off because the roommate said he was paying the bill and as it turns out he didnt pay it for almost 6 mo. she couldnt afford to pay it by the time she found out and was already behind on other bills trying to play catch up thanks to roommate. she had 3 small kids and one of them was under a year. she went and applied everywhere for assistance and the only people that would help were Catholic Cherities. i went with her for her appointment. it was interesting but not once overwhelming. the priest was very sweet. asked where our faith lied and we were honest with him. we told him we were pagan. unlike some christian denominations there was no "you are going to hell unless you give your heart to jesus, come get saved with us" (long story) hekinda got that interested look and started asking questions. we sat there an hour past the appointment time just chatting and comparing practices.now one of the first places she tried was a baptist church. they were aweful. (** i mean no offence to anyone, it was just OUR experiance with the one particular church**) it started out normal. income check verifications, all that fun stuff. questions on what the money was for and what had happened to get that way etc. then it started. first was "well why doesnt your church help you?"so she told the woman that she and her family were pagan. the woman looked like her heart stopped. then the shit hit the fan. that woman went off on her for everything from going to hell for worshiping false gods to that she was going to hell for having children out of wedlock and they would go there too and it just got worse from there. at one point she even said that my friends children should be taken from her by families in the church so they could be saved from her wicked ways. my friend left hysterical. i was so in shock. i could not believe that someone who calls themselves christian could behave in such a manner. needless to say, they denied her the help.


supercarp
by Silver Member on Aug. 28, 2013 at 9:08 AM

 Lutheran World Relief does a lot all over the world. And when I did Hurricane Katrina clean up I heard that people were saying thank God for the Lutherans. But I don't think it's sustainable. The people who donate and volunteer and care are going the way of the dinosaur. I was brought up to be a volunteer. Now, even people who go to churches don't volunteer their time. Retirees used to do it. OUr culture has changed so that we expect the government to do it.

FlowerGirl777
by Bronze Member on Aug. 28, 2013 at 9:28 PM


I know. I thought there was some implied criticism there for the Pagans, but perhaps I was wrong. 

Quoting JTROX:

Pagans, atheists, muslims, lutherans, agnostics... can go to the Catholics.  They don't help just Catholics.

Quoting FlowerGirl777:


Well, why can't a Pagan go to the Catholics, and be welcomed? What is charity if its only for your own kind?

Quoting EireLass:

Why wouldn't the friend go to other Pagans for help?
Quoting weirdkids:

catholic charities seems to be more open to all walks of life. at least from my exeriance. a close friend of mine went through some rough times due to a bad choice in a roommate. she went through every avenue. her power was about to get shut off because the roommate said he was paying the bill and as it turns out he didnt pay it for almost 6 mo. she couldnt afford to pay it by the time she found out and was already behind on other bills trying to play catch up thanks to roommate. she had 3 small kids and one of them was under a year. she went and applied everywhere for assistance and the only people that would help were Catholic Cherities. i went with her for her appointment. it was interesting but not once overwhelming. the priest was very sweet. asked where our faith lied and we were honest with him. we told him we were pagan. unlike some christian denominations there was no "you are going to hell unless you give your heart to jesus, come get saved with us" (long story) hekinda got that interested look and started asking questions. we sat there an hour past the appointment time just chatting and comparing practices.

now one of the first places she tried was a baptist church. they were aweful. (** i mean no offence to anyone, it was just OUR experiance with the one particular church**) it started out normal. income check verifications, all that fun stuff. questions on what the money was for and what had happened to get that way etc. then it started. first was "well why doesnt your church help you?"so she told the woman that she and her family were pagan. the woman looked like her heart stopped. then the shit hit the fan. that woman went off on her for everything from going to hell for worshiping false gods to that she was going to hell for having children out of wedlock and they would go there too and it just got worse from there. at one point she even said that my friends children should be taken from her by families in the church so they could be saved from her wicked ways. my friend left hysterical. i was so in shock. i could not believe that someone who calls themselves christian could behave in such a manner. needless to say, they denied her the help.







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