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For those who feel church charities should/could replace welfare

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How would that work, exactly? 

Would one need to be a member?

If not, what would be the eligibility criteria specifically (other than generic "need")?

what services/help would be provided and to who? ( other than the generic "whatever they need")

how would the church reach out to those in need? Would the needy need to come beg?

if so, would there be a standard for eligibility and services that all church charities would be forced to meet or would the needy person need to go begging at multiple churches to find a "fit" during their time of need?

could the church turn down someone asking for help if the church does not approve of them for any reason? Like a gay married couple in need? 

Im not wanting a bash post... I am just wondering how this would work exactly....

Not Without Panties

by on Aug. 27, 2013 at 12:22 AM
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NWP
by guerrilla girl on Aug. 27, 2013 at 8:19 AM
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This is one of the better programs I've heard of. Thanks for sharing. I do not think conservative Christians would go for this though because it sounds like a social program and they don't like supporting freeloaders. slight sarcasm in that last sentence because of how I hear the social conservatives complain about the poor.

Quoting muslimah:

 The Muslim community has always had this. It is usually through I.S.N.A. (Islamic Association of North America)


Every year each able Muslim is required to pay 2.5 % of their years earnings and savings.


Those who are in need of financial help whether it be an on going monthly check or a one time payment go to the imam and request a request a hearing. They then have a hearing before the bored where you state your case of hard ship. It is then voted on between the bored members and a decision is made.


Coming to a decision of the monthly amount depends on house hold expenses and size of family.


But I know of some sneaky people who have tried to take advantage. They go get well fare from the state and then go it from the mosque but they get caught because the mosque keeps track of every penny that goes out and to where it goes along with social security numbers and they report to the state that they are sending the a monthly check but some people are too stupid to realize that the mosque reports it and they get caught for cheating.

Not Without Panties

yourspecialkid
by Platinum Member on Aug. 27, 2013 at 8:20 AM
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 I don't think churches should completely replace...but can I answer anyway?

I think the govt should maintain a safety net...that is a safety net...not the providing of all basic necessities.  People lose pride in themselves when they can't provide for themselves.  This lack of esteem fuels poverty...imho of course.

Churches (by church I mean a religious organization..not just Christians) cared for the poor long before the governments of the world started doing it.  I do think churches are a great tool.  The church charities I donate too and/or have worked with have one criteria, need.  They also deliver without the red tape and high overhead the government has.

I think a mixed approach works best.

candlegal
by Judy on Aug. 27, 2013 at 8:21 AM

Of course they want some kind of proof.   Their resources are limited adn they want to make sure they are giving to those that really need it.  If they didn't require something, the same people would be coming back week after week after week.

Quoting Della529:

 No, one doesn't have to be Catholic, but when requesting assistance with bills (housing, utilities) they do have to bring proof of the bill and proof of income.  This is because of government funding (which was increased under the Obama administration) and the requirement to account for where the money is distributed.

I did an experiment when my oldest dd was an infant.  I dressed us both in raggedy clothes and went to various churches looking for "help".  The only ones that really offered any kind of real "help" were the Catholics, the Methodists, and Jews (Jewish Family & Community Services).  I was really appalled by the response from our mega-Baptist church and smaller Protestant denominations.  They were more interested in getting us into church and "saving" our souls. 

And before anyone jumps on the bash bandwagon - I didn't need help or accept it.  I simply wanted to verify for myself something my father had said about Catholicism, namely that it was the most generous.

Quoting candlegal:

I would bet that it was the St. Vincent de Paul Society.  Most Catholic Churches have one and they will help anyone in the neighborhood.   You don't have to be Catholic.  They will help with your bills and give you food to feed your family.

Quoting weirdkids:

catholic charities seems to be more open to all walks of life. at least from my exeriance. a close friend of mine went through some rough times due to a bad choice in a roommate. she went through every avenue. her power was about to get shut off because the roommate said he was paying the bill and as it turns out he didnt pay it for almost 6 mo. she couldnt afford to pay it by the time she found out and was already behind on other bills trying to play catch up thanks to roommate. she had 3 small kids and one of them was under a year. she went and applied everywhere for assistance and the only people that would help were Catholic Cherities. i went with her for her appointment. it was interesting but not once overwhelming. the priest was very sweet. asked where our faith lied and we were honest with him. we told him we were pagan. unlike some christian denominations there was no "you are going to hell unless you give your heart to jesus, come get saved with us" (long story) hekinda got that interested look and started asking questions. we sat there an hour past the appointment time just chatting and comparing practices.

now one of the first places she tried was a baptist church. they were aweful. (** i mean no offence to anyone, it was just OUR experiance with the one particular church**) it started out normal. income check verifications, all that fun stuff. questions on what the money was for and what had happened to get that way etc. then it started. first was "well why doesnt your church help you?"so she told the woman that she and her family were pagan. the woman looked like her heart stopped. then the shit hit the fan. that woman went off on her for everything from going to hell for worshiping false gods to that she was going to hell for having children out of wedlock and they would go there too and it just got worse from there. at one point she even said that my friends children should be taken from her by families in the church so they could be saved from her wicked ways. my friend left hysterical. i was so in shock. i could not believe that someone who calls themselves christian could behave in such a manner. needless to say, they denied her the help.



 


Della529
by Matlock on Aug. 27, 2013 at 8:22 AM

 It's not that the city 'don't want churches doing this, it's the snobby people whose dainty noses are so high in the air who don't want to deal with "those people". 

Quoting candlegal:

Our Church goes out 2 times a day to feed the homeless.   they have been doing this for years.   Unfortunately the city of San antonio is not happy about this are doing everything they can to bring all of this back under city control.  They dont' seem to want the Churches doing this, they want the taxpayers paying for it all.  They ara still doing it but run into a lot of roadblocks while doing it.

 

Della529
by Matlock on Aug. 27, 2013 at 8:23 AM
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 I don't disagree with requiring proof, and I understand about resources.  I was merely adding a bit more information.

Quoting candlegal:

Of course they want some kind of proof.   Their resources are limited adn they want to make sure they are giving to those that really need it.  If they didn't require something, the same people would be coming back week after week after week.

Quoting Della529:

 No, one doesn't have to be Catholic, but when requesting assistance with bills (housing, utilities) they do have to bring proof of the bill and proof of income.  This is because of government funding (which was increased under the Obama administration) and the requirement to account for where the money is distributed.

I did an experiment when my oldest dd was an infant.  I dressed us both in raggedy clothes and went to various churches looking for "help".  The only ones that really offered any kind of real "help" were the Catholics, the Methodists, and Jews (Jewish Family & Community Services).  I was really appalled by the response from our mega-Baptist church and smaller Protestant denominations.  They were more interested in getting us into church and "saving" our souls. 

And before anyone jumps on the bash bandwagon - I didn't need help or accept it.  I simply wanted to verify for myself something my father had said about Catholicism, namely that it was the most generous.

Quoting candlegal:

I would bet that it was the St. Vincent de Paul Society.  Most Catholic Churches have one and they will help anyone in the neighborhood.   You don't have to be Catholic.  They will help with your bills and give you food to feed your family.

Quoting weirdkids:

catholic charities seems to be more open to all walks of life. at least from my exeriance. a close friend of mine went through some rough times due to a bad choice in a roommate. she went through every avenue. her power was about to get shut off because the roommate said he was paying the bill and as it turns out he didnt pay it for almost 6 mo. she couldnt afford to pay it by the time she found out and was already behind on other bills trying to play catch up thanks to roommate. she had 3 small kids and one of them was under a year. she went and applied everywhere for assistance and the only people that would help were Catholic Cherities. i went with her for her appointment. it was interesting but not once overwhelming. the priest was very sweet. asked where our faith lied and we were honest with him. we told him we were pagan. unlike some christian denominations there was no "you are going to hell unless you give your heart to jesus, come get saved with us" (long story) hekinda got that interested look and started asking questions. we sat there an hour past the appointment time just chatting and comparing practices.

now one of the first places she tried was a baptist church. they were aweful. (** i mean no offence to anyone, it was just OUR experiance with the one particular church**) it started out normal. income check verifications, all that fun stuff. questions on what the money was for and what had happened to get that way etc. then it started. first was "well why doesnt your church help you?"so she told the woman that she and her family were pagan. the woman looked like her heart stopped. then the shit hit the fan. that woman went off on her for everything from going to hell for worshiping false gods to that she was going to hell for having children out of wedlock and they would go there too and it just got worse from there. at one point she even said that my friends children should be taken from her by families in the church so they could be saved from her wicked ways. my friend left hysterical. i was so in shock. i could not believe that someone who calls themselves christian could behave in such a manner. needless to say, they denied her the help.

 


 


 

mom2the.rescue
by Bronze Member on Aug. 27, 2013 at 8:24 AM

At our old house, our church had an outreach center and asked no questions when people needed things.  The people I know that went there for help weren't religious and didn't know any of the people....they just knew there was help.  

I donated extra stuff I had and the school had special days where kids brought in donations and they could wear casual clothes.  I doubt there was enough to replace the foodstamps or assistance the people in the area were on...but maybe if every church did that there would have been.

PamR
by Pam on Aug. 27, 2013 at 8:29 AM

Churches now provide assistance to needy people, and I don't know of any who have a criteria that has to be met - as in, the person being helped has to be a member of their faith.  It's really unrealistic to expect that churches could completely replace public assistance from the government.  They simply do not have the means to do that. 

yourspecialkid
by Platinum Member on Aug. 27, 2013 at 8:29 AM
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 I have volunteered at food pantries in several states.  I have never seen one give out outdated food.  That is thrown out.  Perhaps this is a misconception.

 

illinoismommy83
by Bronze Member on Aug. 27, 2013 at 8:32 AM
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I think job training should be a mandatory part of welfare. DHS could partner with local trade schools and mandate (free) job training if you want to collect welfare. That way you will have some sort of skill to help you get off welfare.

There is no reason for church's to pick up the slack. What happened to taking personal responsibility?

kidlover2
by Bronze Member on Aug. 27, 2013 at 8:40 AM
Would this be a requirement for the people on welfare who already have a job?

Quoting illinoismommy83:

I think job training should be a mandatory part of welfare. DHS could partner with local trade schools and mandate (free) job training if you want to collect welfare. That way you will have some sort of skill to help you get off welfare.

There is no reason for church's to pick up the slack. What happened to taking personal responsibility?

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