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A sexologist's two cents on, yea, Miley Cyrus (a more feminist perspective)

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I see her point below. I was thinking the same thing -- What about the guy's, errr, compliance, with this? People are acting like MC is victimizing the poor guy, who just wants to sing!

I'm also thinking about MC's manager and the people who put the whole awards show together. It's not like wicked, wicked MC came out and did this without anyone else's input. In fact, I bet she is not even the one who came up with this dumb ass idea.

Still, she put her face -- or ass -- on it, so she justifiably gets the brunt of the criticism.

I think feminists have difficulty with this because it is clearly a woman objectifying herself (some say) while others say, well, damn, she is just expressing her sexuality...why aren't "girls" allowed to do that?

What do you think?

 

http://sexologist.tumblr.com/post/59399069155/a-sexologists-two-cents-on-the-2013-mtv-vmas

Dear Society,

If you think a woman in a tan vinyl bra and underwear, grabbing her crotch and grinding up on a dance partner is raunchy, trashy, and offensive but you don’t think her dance partner is raunchy, trashy, or offensive as he sings a song about “blurred” lines of consent and propagating rape culture, then you may want to reevaluate your acceptance of double standards and your belief in stereotypes about how men vs. women “should” and are “allowed” to behave.


Sincerely,

Dr. Jill

by on Aug. 27, 2013 at 6:40 AM
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Luvnlogic
by Silver Member on Aug. 27, 2013 at 10:17 AM
You're not stupid. It's not about rape. It's about blurring lines of what "good girls" are expected to do (be "domesticated" and not enjoy sex or their sexuality). I don't particularly like the rap part that uses the word "bitch", tho. Outside of that, it's an adult song about sext meant for adult ears.

Quoting MrsSamMerlotte:

i read the lyrics but im not getting a song about rape so maybe im stupid?

Kate_Momof3
by Silver Member on Aug. 27, 2013 at 10:17 AM

 I've never seen that gem. I may have to check it out...

Quoting oddgirl:

Eh . . .  When I think so-bad-it's-good, I think stuff like Nicki Minaj doing Roman Holiday at the Grammy Awards.  But that's just me.

Quoting Kate_Momof3:

 I don't know...it did have an it's-so-bad-it's-good quality to it...

Quoting oddgirl:

I think what was so uncomfortable for everyone was Miley's energy.  It was absolutely manic, like she'd snorted 10 pixie sticks laced with X and washed it down with a couple of shots of Southern Comfort and now she was ready to show the world the grown up, sexy Miley.   With teddy bears.  It didn't feel like she was in control of herself. 

I didn't like Robin Thicke before he even stepped on the stage because of his lame song. 

The whole performance was a trainwreck and I don't think it made anyone feel entertained, which is the point of popular music and those overblown awards shows.

 

 

 

 

numbr1wmn
by Nikki on Aug. 27, 2013 at 10:18 AM
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OMG this had to be said again!

Quoting Carpy:

If women want to be thought of as more than just a sex object, then they should not go out on stage acting like they are nothing more than a sex object.


 

numbr1wmn
by Nikki on Aug. 27, 2013 at 10:18 AM

 

Its not adult ears this is hitting.

Quoting Luvnlogic:

You're not stupid. It's not about rape. It's about blurring lines of what "good girls" are expected to do (be "domesticated" and not enjoy sex or their sexuality). I don't particularly like the rap part that uses the word "bitch", tho. Outside of that, it's an adult song about sext meant for adult ears.

Quoting MrsSamMerlotte:

i read the lyrics but im not getting a song about rape so maybe im stupid?


 

Luvnlogic
by Silver Member on Aug. 27, 2013 at 10:21 AM
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He's really Alan Thicke's son? I thought someone was kidding when they said that. So his real life son is known for his sex music and his tv son is trying to save the world from sin and prepare for the second coming?!? Huh, guess Alan parented quite differently IRL. Haha!

Quoting Raintree:

I can't get over the fact that when Robin Thicke speaks, he sounds just like his father.
In which case, I then have a combination of Growing Pains and that song going in my head, which is just not helpful. 

momto3B
by Bronze Member on Aug. 27, 2013 at 10:22 AM

It is just sad, pathetic and tasteless on both their parts. 

Kate_Momof3
by Silver Member on Aug. 27, 2013 at 10:27 AM
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 Has anyone gotten Kirk Cameron's reaction to this bruhaha??

Quoting Raintree:

I can't get over the fact that when Robin Thicke speaks, he sounds just like his father.
In which case, I then have a combination of Growing Pains and that song going in my head, which is just not helpful. 

 

Luvnlogic
by Silver Member on Aug. 27, 2013 at 10:27 AM
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It hits whoever ears it's played for. Which is entirely up to the adult in charge of the radio and tv, IMO. My kids are too young to get the reference and they aren't watching the VMA's so no problems were caused in my home over it. If kids who do get the reference have questions about it, I'd use it as a teachable moment about appropriate (for my family) sexual roles and respect. This wasn't a Disney or kids choice awards. The families in the audience and at home should know what to expect from MTV.

Quoting numbr1wmn:

 


Its not adult ears this is hitting.


Quoting Luvnlogic:

You're not stupid. It's not about rape. It's about blurring lines of what "good girls" are expected to do (be "domesticated" and not enjoy sex or their sexuality). I don't particularly like the rap part that uses the word "bitch", tho. Outside of that, it's an adult song about sext meant for adult ears.


Quoting MrsSamMerlotte:


i read the lyrics but im not getting a song about rape so maybe im stupid?




 

celestegood
by Silver Member on Aug. 27, 2013 at 10:30 AM
The grinding part wasn't offensive to me. She has the whole perma tongue out thing going, which is raunchy and gross. Then the pedo bear thing is strange.

I just think shes gone off the deep end. We get it Hon. You are grown up now. Good. Now put your tongue up and put something more tasteful on.
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numbr1wmn
by Nikki on Aug. 27, 2013 at 10:31 AM
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This I agree with.
Quoting Luvnlogic:

It hits whoever ears it's played for. Which is entirely up to the adult in charge of the radio and tv, IMO. My kids are too young to get the reference and they aren't watching the VMA's so no problems were caused in my home over it. If kids who do get the reference have questions about it, I'd use it as a teachable moment about appropriate (for my family) sexual roles and respect. This wasn't a Disney or kids choice awards. The families in the audience and at home should know what to expect from MTV.

Quoting numbr1wmn:

 


Its not adult ears this is hitting.


Quoting Luvnlogic:

You're not stupid. It's not about rape. It's about blurring lines of what "good girls" are expected to do (be "domesticated" and not enjoy sex or their sexuality). I don't particularly like the rap part that uses the word "bitch", tho. Outside of that, it's an adult song about sext meant for adult ears.


Quoting MrsSamMerlotte:


i read the lyrics but im not getting a song about rape so maybe im stupid?




 


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