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Can you be blind and own a gun? Yes! Eye sight not necessary ...

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Iowa Issues Gun Permits To The Blind, Allowing Them To Carry In Public
Ryan GrenobleThe Huffington PostSep 08, 2013
In a move sure to leave gun safety advocates scratching their heads, Iowa is issuing gun permits to the blind.

The permits allow legally blind applicants to purchase weapons and carry them in public. Per state law, any attempt to deny an Iowan these rights based on physical ability would be illegal, reports the Des Moines Register.

"When you shoot a gun, you take it out and point and shoot, and I don't necessarily think eyesight is necessary," said Michael Barber, a blind man interviewed by The Register at a gun store in Iowa last month.

The issue has also vexed local sheriffs -- the authorities tasked with reviewing applications -- with some in full support of the measure, and others against.

Explains Delaware County Sheriff John LeClere, "If you see nothing but a blurry mass in front of you, then I would say you probably shouldn't be shooting something.”

Counters Cedar County Sheriff Warren Wethington, who has a legally blind daughter, “If sheriffs spent more time trying to keep guns out of criminals’ hands and not people with disabilities, their time would be more productive.”

Iowans have always been able to carry a firearm in private, but a new law passed in 2011 extends that right to the public sphere while placing no limits on physical ability.

Federal law, in tandem with the Gun Control Act of 1968, also does nothing to limit the legally blind from owning a gun, leaving that issue for states to sort out individually. Kansas, for instance, altered their laws in 2010 to prohibit issuing concealed carry permits to anyone "suffering a physical infirmity which prevents the safe handling of a weapon."

In January of this year, shortly after the Sandy Hook Elementary School Shooting, blind singer Stevie Wonder offered his thoughts on gun control in an interview with CNN's Piers Morgan. “Imagine me with a gun," he said. "It’s just crazy.”

READ more of this story at The Desmoines Register.
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turtle68
by Mahinaarangi on Sep. 9, 2013 at 3:48 AM
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Looks like someone couldnt handle the truth.....

so I will write it in a nicer way for those who are offended.

I cant help it if you cant connect the dots for ONE STUPID LAW to another STUPID LAW.

My brain didnt go to Zimmerman....so what is that saying about you :-)

Quoting billsfan1104:

What does this have to do with Florida? Oh wait, trying to start shit about Zimmmerman. Guess what, the trial is over with!!! Didn't like the results, then do something about changes laws, instead of bitching about it on Cafemom.

Quoting turtle68:

I laughed when I read this.  For some reason when I was reading I had a vision of a person shooting madly into a crowd of people because they felt scared when someone bumped into them?

Too bad they dont live in Florida....they could shoot anyone they wanted and say they felt threatened.


grandmab125
by Gold Member on Sep. 9, 2013 at 3:51 AM

 Why do you always make ridiculous comments on guns, when you know nothing about them?

Gun store owners have nothing to do with gun laws.  It is the state that makes the laws.

Quoting lga1965:

 The gun merchants in Iowa have lost their minds due to greed, it seems.

 

grandma B

grandmab125
by Gold Member on Sep. 9, 2013 at 4:04 AM

 Jesus, Iga, once again google is your friend.  You can find the same info anywhere.  Just because she used wikipedia doesn't mean it's bs.

From the Iowa Dept for the Blind:

Legal Definition of Blindness

What is the Legal Definition of Blindness?

Legal blindness occurs when a person has central visual acuity (vision that allows a person to see straight ahead of them) of 20/200 or less in his or her better eye with correction. With 20/200 visual acuity, a person can see at 20 feet, what a person with 20/20 vision sees at 200 feet.

In determining legal blindness, visual field (the part of a person's vision that enables them to see what is happening to the side of them) is also considered. A visual field of 20 degrees or less is considered to be legally blind.  Eye care professionals can assist in diagnosing legal blindness.

From Bouldereyesurgeons.com:

Normal vision, or 20/20, means a person sees the smallest letters or pictures on an eye chart when standing 20 feet away from the chart. Some people cannot see normally, even with glasses or contacts, because a medical condition affects their vision. These people are called visually impaired or visually handicapped.

If a visual handicap limits vision to 20/200, or one-tenth of normal, a person is legally blind. Legally blind does not mean totally unable to see. Someone legally blind cannot see the line below the second big E at the top of the eye chart. People with 20/20 vision but less than 20 degrees of side vision can also qualify as legally blind. People who see well with only one eye are not considered legally blind, nor are people who wear glasses to see better than 20/200.

 

Quoting lga1965:

I am so not surprised that you are all in favor of blind people owning guns 'cause you are a gun owner and your gun posts are ridiculous. You're just a regular Annie Oakley. And special.

OMG your source is Wikipedia! Holy moly!

Quoting yourspecialkid:

 You can be legally blind and still be able to see well enough to fire a gun or even drive a car.  My high school band director was legally blind and he put together award winning marching band drills.

 

In North America and most of Europe, legal blindness is defined as visual acuity (vision) of 20/200 (6/60) or less in the better eye with best correction possible. This means that a legally blind individual would have to stand 20 feet (6.1 m) from an object to see it—with corrective lenses—with the same degree of clarity as a normally sighted person could from 200 feet (61 m). In many areas, people with average acuity who nonetheless have a visual field of less than 20 degrees (the norm being 180 degrees) are also classified as being legally blind. Approximately ten percent of those deemed legally blind, by any measure, have no vision. The rest have some vision, from light perception alone to relatively good acuity. Low vision is sometimes used to describe visual acuities from 20/70 to 20/200.[3]

By the 10th Revision of the WHO International Statistical Classification of Diseases, Injuries and Causes of Death, low vision is defined as visual acuity of less than 20/60 (6/18), but equal to or better than 20/200 (6/60), or corresponding visual field loss to less than 20 degrees, in the better eye with best possible correction. Blindness is defined as visual acuity of less than 20/400 (6/120), or corresponding visual field loss to less than 10 degrees, in the better eye with best possible correction.[4][5]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blindness

 

 

 

grandma B

sweet-a-kins
by Emerald Member on Sep. 9, 2013 at 6:01 AM
No shit

Now what about actual blindness - no sight


Quoting yourspecialkid:

 You can be legally blind and still be able to see well enough to fire a gun or even drive a car.  My high school band director was legally blind and he put together award winning marching band drills.


 


In North America and most of Europe, legal blindness is defined as visual acuity (vision) of 20/200 (6/60) or less in the better eye with best correction possible. This means that a legally blind individual would have to stand 20 feet (6.1 m) from an object to see it—with corrective lenses—with the same degree of clarity as a normally sighted person could from 200 feet (61 m). In many areas, people with average acuity who nonetheless have a visual field of less than 20 degrees (the norm being 180 degrees) are also classified as being legally blind. Approximately ten percent of those deemed legally blind, by any measure, have no vision. The rest have some vision, from light perception alone to relatively good acuity. Low vision is sometimes used to describe visual acuities from 20/70 to 20/200.[3]


By the 10th Revision of the WHO International Statistical Classification of Diseases, Injuries and Causes of Death, low vision is defined as visual acuity of less than 20/60 (6/18), but equal to or better than 20/200 (6/60), or corresponding visual field loss to less than 20 degrees, in the better eye with best possible correction. Blindness is defined as visual acuity of less than 20/400 (6/120), or corresponding visual field loss to less than 10 degrees, in the better eye with best possible correction.[4][5]


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blindness


 

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sweet-a-kins
by Emerald Member on Sep. 9, 2013 at 6:04 AM
Not sure but according to him, eye sight isn't necessary

When you shoot a gun, you take it out and point and shoot, and I don't necessarily think eyesight is necessary


Quoting TruthSeeker.:

 Legally blind or blind blind?


 Blind with no vision at all? I find that just terrifying!

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stringtheory
by Gold Member on Sep. 9, 2013 at 6:23 AM
According to my local network news this morning, both. A group in Iowa believes not allowing completely blind citizens to exercise second amendment rights violates the ADA. Are they wrong? What other constitutional rights place limits based on physical abilities?

Quoting billsfan1104:

I would like to know if they are "legally blind", but have corrective lenses, is why they can get gun permits?

But if they are just plain blind, if they can get a gun permit.
idunno1234
by Silver Member on Sep. 9, 2013 at 6:40 AM
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You can be a blind raging alcoholic who has never used a firearm before and still be a perfectly legal licensed gun owner.

Cool.

 

lga1965
by on Sep. 9, 2013 at 7:14 AM

 If I ever use Wikipedia as a source, all of the conservatives here , including YSK,  give me a hard time and tell me that Wikipedia is not a reliable source.

They go: "Wikipedia? Oh really? Anybody can write anything and put it on Wikipedia"  and then they bash me. You don't remember that?You need to pay attention.

Quoting billsfan1104:

We get it. You hate guns. But there is no reason to go and attack someone else, because they believe in gun ownership and you don't.
I am glad she pointed out what constitutes legally blind in this country. I have learned that I could be potentionally legally blind without my contacts. And so what that it comes from Wikipedia?


Quoting lga1965:

I am so not surprised that you are all in favor of blind people owning guns 'cause you are a gun owner and your gun posts are ridiculous. You're just a regular Annie Oakley. And special.


OMG your source is Wikipedia! Holy moly!


Quoting yourspecialkid:


 You can be legally blind and still be able to see well enough to fire a gun or even drive a car.  My high school band director was legally blind and he put together award winning marching band drills.


 


In North America and most of Europe, legal blindness is defined as visual acuity (vision) of 20/200 (6/60) or less in the better eye with best correction possible. This means that a legally blind individual would have to stand 20 feet (6.1 m) from an object to see it—with corrective lenses—with the same degree of clarity as a normally sighted person could from 200 feet (61 m). In many areas, people with average acuity who nonetheless have a visual field of less than 20 degrees (the norm being 180 degrees) are also classified as being legally blind. Approximately ten percent of those deemed legally blind, by any measure, have no vision. The rest have some vision, from light perception alone to relatively good acuity. Low vision is sometimes used to describe visual acuities from 20/70 to 20/200.[3]


By the 10th Revision of the WHO International Statistical Classification of Diseases, Injuries and Causes of Death, low vision is defined as visual acuity of less than 20/60 (6/18), but equal to or better than 20/200 (6/60), or corresponding visual field loss to less than 20 degrees, in the better eye with best possible correction. Blindness is defined as visual acuity of less than 20/400 (6/120), or corresponding visual field loss to less than 10 degrees, in the better eye with best possible correction.[4][5]


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blindness


 


 

 

lga1965
by on Sep. 9, 2013 at 7:35 AM

 I always used Wikipedia ...then all of you Conservatives told me I was wrong to use Wikipedia because it was unreliable and that anybody could write something and put it on Wikipedia and some even told me it was a Liberal site!And every time I used Wikipedia, I knew you would bash me.

BUT....now that SHE is using Wikipedia, you suddenly think Wikipedia is just great. Nice. Just great. I see it as a way to discriminate and demean posters who are not on your conservative train....Next ,I suppose you will deny that you ever said Wikipedia wasn't a reliable source and you will bash me....again.  Go ahead. I don't mind, granny.If it works for you, who am I to stop you.

I Google all the time.

What the heck?

Quoting grandmab125:

 Jesus, Iga, once again google is your friend.  You can find the same info anywhere.  Just because she used wikipedia doesn't mean it's bs.

From the Iowa Dept for the Blind:

Legal Definition of Blindness

What is the Legal Definition of Blindness?

Legal blindness occurs when a person has central visual acuity (vision that allows a person to see straight ahead of them) of 20/200 or less in his or her better eye with correction. With 20/200 visual acuity, a person can see at 20 feet, what a person with 20/20 vision sees at 200 feet.

In determining legal blindness, visual field (the part of a person's vision that enables them to see what is happening to the side of them) is also considered. A visual field of 20 degrees or less is considered to be legally blind.  Eye care professionals can assist in diagnosing legal blindness.

From Bouldereyesurgeons.com:

Normal vision, or 20/20, means a person sees the smallest letters or pictures on an eye chart when standing 20 feet away from the chart. Some people cannot see normally, even with glasses or contacts, because a medical condition affects their vision. These people are called visually impaired or visually handicapped.

If a visual handicap limits vision to 20/200, or one-tenth of normal, a person is legally blind. Legally blind does not mean totally unable to see. Someone legally blind cannot see the line below the second big E at the top of the eye chart. People with 20/20 vision but less than 20 degrees of side vision can also qualify as legally blind. People who see well with only one eye are not considered legally blind, nor are people who wear glasses to see better than 20/200.

 

Quoting lga1965:

I am so not surprised that you are all in favor of blind people owning guns 'cause you are a gun owner and your gun posts are ridiculous. You're just a regular Annie Oakley. And special.

OMG your source is Wikipedia! Holy moly!

Quoting yourspecialkid:

 You can be legally blind and still be able to see well enough to fire a gun or even drive a car.  My high school band director was legally blind and he put together award winning marching band drills.

 

In North America and most of Europe, legal blindness is defined as visual acuity (vision) of 20/200 (6/60) or less in the better eye with best correction possible. This means that a legally blind individual would have to stand 20 feet (6.1 m) from an object to see it—with corrective lenses—with the same degree of clarity as a normally sighted person could from 200 feet (61 m). In many areas, people with average acuity who nonetheless have a visual field of less than 20 degrees (the norm being 180 degrees) are also classified as being legally blind. Approximately ten percent of those deemed legally blind, by any measure, have no vision. The rest have some vision, from light perception alone to relatively good acuity. Low vision is sometimes used to describe visual acuities from 20/70 to 20/200.[3]

By the 10th Revision of the WHO International Statistical Classification of Diseases, Injuries and Causes of Death, low vision is defined as visual acuity of less than 20/60 (6/18), but equal to or better than 20/200 (6/60), or corresponding visual field loss to less than 20 degrees, in the better eye with best possible correction. Blindness is defined as visual acuity of less than 20/400 (6/120), or corresponding visual field loss to less than 10 degrees, in the better eye with best possible correction.[4][5]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blindness

 

 

 

 

lga1965
by on Sep. 9, 2013 at 7:39 AM
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 They have benefitted from the laws and obviously have ignored gun safety.....legally blind people owning guns? Insane.

Quoting grandmab125:

 Why do you always make ridiculous comments on guns, when you know nothing about them?

Gun store owners have nothing to do with gun laws.  It is the state that makes the laws.

Quoting lga1965:

 The gun merchants in Iowa have lost their minds due to greed, it seems.

 

 

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