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Can you be blind and own a gun? Yes! Eye sight not necessary ...

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Iowa Issues Gun Permits To The Blind, Allowing Them To Carry In Public
Ryan GrenobleThe Huffington PostSep 08, 2013
In a move sure to leave gun safety advocates scratching their heads, Iowa is issuing gun permits to the blind.

The permits allow legally blind applicants to purchase weapons and carry them in public. Per state law, any attempt to deny an Iowan these rights based on physical ability would be illegal, reports the Des Moines Register.

"When you shoot a gun, you take it out and point and shoot, and I don't necessarily think eyesight is necessary," said Michael Barber, a blind man interviewed by The Register at a gun store in Iowa last month.

The issue has also vexed local sheriffs -- the authorities tasked with reviewing applications -- with some in full support of the measure, and others against.

Explains Delaware County Sheriff John LeClere, "If you see nothing but a blurry mass in front of you, then I would say you probably shouldn't be shooting something.”

Counters Cedar County Sheriff Warren Wethington, who has a legally blind daughter, “If sheriffs spent more time trying to keep guns out of criminals’ hands and not people with disabilities, their time would be more productive.”

Iowans have always been able to carry a firearm in private, but a new law passed in 2011 extends that right to the public sphere while placing no limits on physical ability.

Federal law, in tandem with the Gun Control Act of 1968, also does nothing to limit the legally blind from owning a gun, leaving that issue for states to sort out individually. Kansas, for instance, altered their laws in 2010 to prohibit issuing concealed carry permits to anyone "suffering a physical infirmity which prevents the safe handling of a weapon."

In January of this year, shortly after the Sandy Hook Elementary School Shooting, blind singer Stevie Wonder offered his thoughts on gun control in an interview with CNN's Piers Morgan. “Imagine me with a gun," he said. "It’s just crazy.”

READ more of this story at The Desmoines Register.
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loveutiltheend
by Member on Sep. 9, 2013 at 7:39 AM
Anyone on Wikipedia can change shit. It's not a credible source.


Quoting billsfan1104:

We get it. You hate guns. But there is no reason to go and attack someone else, because they believe in gun ownership and you don't.

I am glad she pointed out what constitutes legally blind in this country. I have learned that I could be potentionally legally blind without my contacts. And so what that it comes from Wikipedia?




Quoting lga1965:

I am so not surprised that you are all in favor of blind people owning guns 'cause you are a gun owner and your gun posts are ridiculous. You're just a regular Annie Oakley. And special.



OMG your source is Wikipedia! Holy moly!



Quoting yourspecialkid:



 You can be legally blind and still be able to see well enough to fire a gun or even drive a car.  My high school band director was legally blind and he put together award winning marching band drills.



 



In North America and most of Europe, legal blindness is defined as visual acuity (vision) of 20/200 (6/60) or less in the better eye with best correction possible. This means that a legally blind individual would have to stand 20 feet (6.1 m) from an object to see it—with corrective lenses—with the same degree of clarity as a normally sighted person could from 200 feet (61 m). In many areas, people with average acuity who nonetheless have a visual field of less than 20 degrees (the norm being 180 degrees) are also classified as being legally blind. Approximately ten percent of those deemed legally blind, by any measure, have no vision. The rest have some vision, from light perception alone to relatively good acuity. Low vision is sometimes used to describe visual acuities from 20/70 to 20/200.[3]



By the 10th Revision of the WHO International Statistical Classification of Diseases, Injuries and Causes of Death, low vision is defined as visual acuity of less than 20/60 (6/18), but equal to or better than 20/200 (6/60), or corresponding visual field loss to less than 20 degrees, in the better eye with best possible correction. Blindness is defined as visual acuity of less than 20/400 (6/120), or corresponding visual field loss to less than 10 degrees, in the better eye with best possible correction.[4][5]



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blindness



 



 


billsfan1104
by Jules on Sep. 9, 2013 at 8:04 AM
I addressed what you said to me. So calling people cowards is wrong. What you said was wrong and that is why your comment was removed. It is not my fault that you cannot have a debate without calling horrible names and attacking people. God Bless you Turtle. I said some prayers for you.

Quoting turtle68:

Looks like someone couldnt handle the truth.....

so I will write it in a nicer way for those who are offended.

I cant help it if you cant connect the dots for ONE STUPID LAW to another STUPID LAW.

My brain didnt go to Zimmerman....so what is that saying about you :-)

Quoting billsfan1104:

What does this have to do with Florida? Oh wait, trying to start shit about Zimmmerman. Guess what, the trial is over with!!! Didn't like the results, then do something about changes laws, instead of bitching about it on Cafemom.



Quoting turtle68:

I laughed when I read this.  For some reason when I was reading I had a vision of a person shooting madly into a crowd of people because they felt scared when someone bumped into them?

Too bad they dont live in Florida....they could shoot anyone they wanted and say they felt threatened.


billsfan1104
by Jules on Sep. 9, 2013 at 8:08 AM
If your eye sight can be corrected, then I think you should own guns. I do not know about completely blind-no sight, should own them or not. Because I believe in the second admendment, but I believe common sense is in order. I am on the fence on this.

Quoting stringtheory:

According to my local network news this morning, both. A group in Iowa believes not allowing completely blind citizens to exercise second amendment rights violates the ADA. Are they wrong? What other constitutional rights place limits based on physical abilities?



Quoting billsfan1104:

I would like to know if they are "legally blind", but have corrective lenses, is why they can get gun permits?


But if they are just plain blind, if they can get a gun permit.
billsfan1104
by Jules on Sep. 9, 2013 at 8:10 AM
I know that they can change historical things to fit the views to whomever is entering the info. But it was just the definition of what "legally blind" is.


Quoting loveutiltheend:

Anyone on Wikipedia can change shit. It's not a credible source.




Quoting billsfan1104:

We get it. You hate guns. But there is no reason to go and attack someone else, because they believe in gun ownership and you don't.


I am glad she pointed out what constitutes legally blind in this country. I have learned that I could be potentionally legally blind without my contacts. And so what that it comes from Wikipedia?






Quoting lga1965:

I am so not surprised that you are all in favor of blind people owning guns 'cause you are a gun owner and your gun posts are ridiculous. You're just a regular Annie Oakley. And special.




OMG your source is Wikipedia! Holy moly!




Quoting yourspecialkid:




 You can be legally blind and still be able to see well enough to fire a gun or even drive a car.  My high school band director was legally blind and he put together award winning marching band drills.




 




In North America and most of Europe, legal blindness is defined as visual acuity (vision) of 20/200 (6/60) or less in the better eye with best correction possible. This means that a legally blind individual would have to stand 20 feet (6.1 m) from an object to see it—with corrective lenses—with the same degree of clarity as a normally sighted person could from 200 feet (61 m). In many areas, people with average acuity who nonetheless have a visual field of less than 20 degrees (the norm being 180 degrees) are also classified as being legally blind. Approximately ten percent of those deemed legally blind, by any measure, have no vision. The rest have some vision, from light perception alone to relatively good acuity. Low vision is sometimes used to describe visual acuities from 20/70 to 20/200.[3]




By the 10th Revision of the WHO International Statistical Classification of Diseases, Injuries and Causes of Death, low vision is defined as visual acuity of less than 20/60 (6/18), but equal to or better than 20/200 (6/60), or corresponding visual field loss to less than 20 degrees, in the better eye with best possible correction. Blindness is defined as visual acuity of less than 20/400 (6/120), or corresponding visual field loss to less than 10 degrees, in the better eye with best possible correction.[4][5]




http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blindness




 




 


Ms.KitKat
by Platinum Member on Sep. 9, 2013 at 8:13 AM
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 Stevie Wonder stated it perfectly. Enough said.

"It’s just crazy.”


 

yourspecialkid
by Platinum Member on Sep. 9, 2013 at 8:43 AM
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Quoting lga1965:

I am so not surprised that you are all in favor of blind people owning guns 'cause you are a gun owner and your gun posts are ridiculous. You're just a regular Annie Oakley. And special.

OMG your source is Wikipedia! Holy moly!

Quoting yourspecialkid:

 You can be legally blind and still be able to see well enough to fire a gun or even drive a car.  My high school band director was legally blind and he put together award winning marching band drills.

 

In North America and most of Europe, legal blindness is defined as visual acuity (vision) of 20/200 (6/60) or less in the better eye with best correction possible. This means that a legally blind individual would have to stand 20 feet (6.1 m) from an object to see it—with corrective lenses—with the same degree of clarity as a normally sighted person could from 200 feet (61 m). In many areas, people with average acuity who nonetheless have a visual field of less than 20 degrees (the norm being 180 degrees) are also classified as being legally blind. Approximately ten percent of those deemed legally blind, by any measure, have no vision. The rest have some vision, from light perception alone to relatively good acuity. Low vision is sometimes used to describe visual acuities from 20/70 to 20/200.[3]

By the 10th Revision of the WHO International Statistical Classification of Diseases, Injuries and Causes of Death, low vision is defined as visual acuity of less than 20/60 (6/18), but equal to or better than 20/200 (6/60), or corresponding visual field loss to less than 20 degrees, in the better eye with best possible correction. Blindness is defined as visual acuity of less than 20/400 (6/120), or corresponding visual field loss to less than 10 degrees, in the better eye with best possible correction.[4][5]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blindness

 

 

You can look up the same info elsewhere if you prefer.

If YOU had bothered to read the actual requirements for Iowa, you would have learned they still have to take classes.  Part of the class is shooting.  If they can't pass the class, they can't apply for a permit.


yourspecialkid
by Platinum Member on Sep. 9, 2013 at 8:45 AM
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Anyone bothering to check Iowa law would learn they still have to take classes, classes which require shooting.  If you can't pass the test, you can't get the permit.

Anyone that can pass the test should get a permit.  Unless of course you want to deny them their Constitutional rights and violate the ADA.

Beyond that, this is nothing new.  The laws of other states include them as do the federal laws.


yourspecialkid
by Platinum Member on Sep. 9, 2013 at 8:47 AM
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You can find the same legally blind info on a number of different sites...........for those of you whining about my source.  If I were you I would worry about the failure to research the law myself.



billsfan1104
by Jules on Sep. 9, 2013 at 8:50 AM
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Now this makes sense

Quoting yourspecialkid:

Anyone bothering to check Iowa law would learn they still have to take classes, classes which require shooting.  If you can't pass the test, you can't get the permit.

Anyone that can pass the test should get a permit.  Unless of course you want to deny them their Constitutional rights and violate the ADA.

Beyond that, this is nothing new.  The laws of other states include them as do the federal laws.


JoshRachelsMAMA
by JRM on Sep. 9, 2013 at 8:52 AM
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Yes you can be blind and legally own a gun. 

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