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Public Schools Are 'Anti-God Indoctrination Camps' Claims Liberty Counsel

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Public Schools Are 'Anti-God Indoctrination Camps' Claims Liberty Counsel

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Liberty Counsel president Anita Staver described U.S. public schools as “dangerous, anti-God indoctrination camps” in the Liberty Counsel's "Liberator" newsletter last month.

Staver began her newsletter article by misapplying a Bible verse that was addressed to Israel in Deuteronomy 28:32, but has nothing to do with schools: "Your sons and your daughters shall be given to another people.."

She continued her fear-mongering with, "You and I are being forced to support these socialist camps that threaten our nation’s very survival."

Staver dramatically claimed that “every day, millions of helpless people are taken there on buses to be brainwashed and victimized” and called for Christian parents to homeschool their children, noted RightWingWatch.org.

Staver also wrote:

You probably even have relatives or friends who are mandated to live in these camps for countless hours of the most impressionable and formative years of their lives. Of course, these government indoctrination camps are also known as “public schools.”

Public schools have indeed, become some of the most dangerous places in America, not just because of potential violence, but due to humanists with revisionist textbooks espousing anti-God lies to throngs of unsuspecting indoctrinees.

...We cannot stick our head in the sand while our nation’s children are held hostage in government indoctrination camps. We dare not leave our most precious resource – our children – to the humanists. Secularization has deeply infected many school systems nationwide, spurred on by anti -Christian groups like the ACLU, People for the American Way, Freedom From Religion Foundation, and other radical groups that systematically coerce administrators into kicking God out the door.

Staver gave no actual examples of "kicking God out the door," but did ask readers to "Join with us for the sake of our children and grandchildren. Resist the godless, socialist indoctrination before it’s too late!"

Sources: LC.org and RightWingWatch.org

by on Sep. 11, 2013 at 4:47 PM
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katzmeow726
by Platinum Member on Sep. 13, 2013 at 9:10 PM

There is a reason the happy middle is, well, happy LOL

Quoting FromAtoZ:


Quoting katzmeow726:

Wow...you're no better than Staver.  I love how BOTH sides seem to accuse the other of brainwashing because they disagree.

In all honestly, it makes both sides sound absolutley stupid.  

Quoting IhartU:

First off God is the lie, not the truths that are taught in schools that are backed up by facts.

Secondly, I find it so damn funny that they're afraid of their kids being brainwahsed when that's what religion does. It's okay to be brainwashed to believe in god? lol.


I agree with you.

Those who are extreme, on either side, look like fools.  There is usually something behind it.  


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tooptimistic
by Kelly on Sep. 13, 2013 at 9:35 PM



Quoting FromAtoZ:


Quoting tooptimistic:

I agree to a point.  Last year wasn't there cheerleaders who had a banner about  God, and the atheist group tried to  sue  them?  Valedictorian are banned from thanking God, because of fear of a lawsuit.  Children who talk about being Christian and treated like they have done something wrong.  We have gotten so PC that freedom of speech has gone out the window. 

It isn't just anti religion schools are indoctrinating our children with, but there is social and political indoctrination going to too.  It is how it is, so it is one of the many reasons I home school.  I want my children to get an education and to be able to think on their own.  I would hate for my daugher to be in trouble for singing a Veggie Tales song, because it may "offend" someone.

Okay.  I kind of get what you are saying.  I don't see any thing wrong with players saying a prayer before a game, or any one giving their thanks to God at any given time.   

But as for the rest, in all the years my girls attended public schools, there have only been a few issues where any thing related to 'God' or 'religion' has come up.  Nothing at all like we here, read about, in this group.

Just the other day my daughter wore a t-shirt to school that says 'In God I trust'.  No one said any thing.  

What do you mean by social and political indoctrinating?


Instead of just teaching, there are teachers who make their political or social thinking/reasoning very apparent.  I think that a teachers political/ social views have no place in the classroom.  Our schools just turn a blind eye and there is no consqueneces for the teachers.

Remember during the election the teach who flipped out over the student who wore the Romney shirt because it was an Obama school? 


I feel it is one of the big things wrong with public schools, and why so many are failing.  Schools should be about academics, not teachers beliefs.


SherryBerry106
by on Sep. 16, 2013 at 7:48 AM

 

This may be the first step in your malfunctioning right here - where did I indicate that the majority of teachers are not "Christian" because  "Christian" is a very broad description, and is also irrelevant to the discussion.

Quoting LoveMyBoyK:

 Do you have one iota of evidence that the population of America's teachers does not reflect the population in general?  That means, do you have any proof to counter the LOGICAL conclusion that if most of Americans are Christians (fact), most of America's teachers are also Christians.  Your  opinion that most of America's teachers are not Christian is ludicrous. 

And to quote a long gone, but not forgotten, board member -- you do you, I'll do me.

 

Quoting SherryBerry106:

 

When I politely say "Thank You";

If you decide to respond, you say You're Welcome, or something to that affect.

Easy!

Quoting LoveMyBoyK:

 ROTFLMAO!!  Okay, sweetpea, so the entire country is a majority Christian but TEACHERS are a majority Atheist.  Okay dollface, yeah, that makes logical sense... NOT.   LOLOL!!!  Come on, use your damned head for something other than to hold your hair. 

Quoting SherryBerry106:

 

Thanks for your opinion.

Quoting LoveMyBoyK:

Most public school teachers are Christians. You are being ridiculous.


Quoting SherryBerry106:

 


 


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That is not what the post is about.


She is not talking about schools being neutral God.


She is referencing the schools teaching, (take your choice from the typical heathens in this group) that relgious people are low IQ zealot bible thumping blah blah blah.


Like the title says "anti-God".


Quoting Suzukigirl710:


I am a Christian and I will put it as simply as I can:  I don't want the school teaching my child about God, or creation or Evolution.  This is MY job as a Christian parent.  How do I know what the teacher is teaching is correct in my eye's as far as my belief system goes? I DON'T! I prefer to teach my children myself as I believe all Christian parents should do.  Not rely on someone else to do it or nurture it.  I think it all should be left out and they teach what they are suppose to teach. 


Rant over.  LOL 


 


 


I don't know any public school that teaches that.


 


 You are not that dense.


Are you implying I know of public schools that teach that religious people are low IQ bible thumping zealots?


 


I am not implying anything, I AM TELLING YOU, that you know that the Teachers in these classrooms that want to impress each other, and all think they are so above it all, subtley and not so subtley make that case daily.


Not in the class syllabus, but it's in the class presentation.


Look at the professor that just got suspended for his Anti-Republican rants in a writng class of all things, if it hadn't been caught on video, just another typical day.


 


I am telling you that you're not only endlessly nasty but delusional.


I don't know what professor you are talking about, but he wouldn't be in a public school (I'm talking K-12, if he's at a public university, that's still not mandatory education).  I don't know ANY teachers who are pushing ANY agendas regarding religion.


Your cluelessness about schoolteachers is breathtaking if you think they are concerned about impressing each other with teaching anti-religious stuff.  First, most of them have a religion, lol, and second, they are too busy doing things like teaching, coaching, raising families, and complaining about having too much to do for too little pay.  




 


 I was wrong.


You are that dense.


 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 


 

Suzukigirl710
by Member on Sep. 18, 2013 at 10:04 AM

Sorry, I thought I covered the Anti God with my "Evolution" comment.  But thanks though.


Quoting SherryBerry106:


That is not what the post is about.

She is not talking about schools being neutral God.

She is referencing the schools teaching, (take your choice from the typical heathens in this group) that relgious people are low IQ zealot bible thumping blah blah blah.

Like the title says "anti-God".

Quoting Suzukigirl710:

I am a Christian and I will put it as simply as I can:  I don't want the school teaching my child about God, or creation or Evolution.  This is MY job as a Christian parent.  How do I know what the teacher is teaching is correct in my eye's as far as my belief system goes? I DON'T! I prefer to teach my children myself as I believe all Christian parents should do.  Not rely on someone else to do it or nurture it.  I think it all should be left out and they teach what they are suppose to teach. 

Rant over.  LOL 





muslimomof2
by Member on Sep. 25, 2013 at 4:01 AM
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this is old I know but NO i don't want public school teaching my kids any religion INCLUDING MY OWN!!!! I send my kids to "weekend school" 2 hours on sat and sun at our local Mosque for them to learn about god and we read from the Quran and pray together I teach my kids about religion I do not need any help from the Government thank you! Its bad enough being a Muslim in a America please don't add to the ignorance!

TXMompreneur
by on Sep. 27, 2013 at 12:44 PM

Just a little "FYI":  EVOLUTION is SCIENCE, and they ARE supposed to teach science in school.  YOU can teach your children all the non-science, mythology-based-but-passed-off-as-fact religious stuff you want to at home.  School should stick to the FACTS.  And, BTW, evolution is witnessed today, so please don't say "there's no proof of evolution".  People who say that just prove how stupid and/or actively ignorant they are.

Quoting sha_lyn68:


Quoting Suzukigirl710:

I am a Christian and I will put it as simply as I can:  I don't want the school teaching my child about God, or creation or Evolution.  This is MY job as a Christian parent.  How do I know what the teacher is teaching is correct in my eye's as far as my belief system goes? I DON'T! I prefer to teach my children myself as I believe all Christian parents should do.  Not rely on someone else to do it or nurture it.  I think it all should be left out and they teach what they are suppose to teach. 

Rant over.  LOL 

Very well said. I often pose questions such as : Whose God do you want "in" public school? or How would you know that the "right" things about be taught. They just insist that their way is the only way so their way would have to be the way it is in school.


sha_lyn68
by Bronze Member on Sep. 27, 2013 at 2:57 PM

Just a little FYI to you: I was agreeing with her about God, not evolution.  Don't get pissy with me about evolution when I didn't say a darn thing about it.

Quoting TXMompreneur:

Just a little "FYI":  EVOLUTION is SCIENCE, and they ARE supposed to teach science in school.  YOU can teach your children all the non-science, mythology-based-but-passed-off-as-fact religious stuff you want to at home.  School should stick to the FACTS.  And, BTW, evolution is witnessed today, so please don't say "there's no proof of evolution".  People who say that just prove how stupid and/or actively ignorant they are.

Quoting sha_lyn68:


Quoting Suzukigirl710:

I am a Christian and I will put it as simply as I can:  I don't want the school teaching my child about God, or creation or Evolution.  This is MY job as a Christian parent.  How do I know what the teacher is teaching is correct in my eye's as far as my belief system goes? I DON'T! I prefer to teach my children myself as I believe all Christian parents should do.  Not rely on someone else to do it or nurture it.  I think it all should be left out and they teach what they are suppose to teach. 

Rant over.  LOL 

Very well said. I often pose questions such as : Whose God do you want "in" public school? or How would you know that the "right" things about be taught. They just insist that their way is the only way so their way would have to be the way it is in school.



sweetaspie630
by on Sep. 27, 2013 at 3:39 PM

I totally agree

woohoo

Quoting Its.me.Sam.:

keeping religion out of school is not anti-god.  people can have whatever religion and god/s they want.  in their churches, in their homes, in their cars.. etc.  just stop pushing it on everyone else.  LIKE IN SCHOOL AND GOVERNMENT AND LAWS. 
yeesh.  so simple.
problem is that some people want public school to endorse majority religion and deny the facts that put that religions beliefs or policies or history or practices into question .. i sometimes wonder if these religious fanatics are so scared that they wont get to all the kids quick enough when their minds are supple and gullible and those kids will go on to be freethinkers and investigate ...and that if they are free to make critcially think and investigate religion/s when they can really understand what theyre being told to accept without question they WONT choose said majority religion.  they need more people.. more people = more power to exert ones own will over all.
just a theory lol 



Lydiah769
by Member on Sep. 27, 2013 at 4:21 PM
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Well I honestly think religion should not even be taught to children. I look at that as some form of brain washing. Why would you as a parent want to push your own personal beliefs on a child? I just do not get why you think that it is ok. I want my daughter to have a free mind and to think for her self. If I pushed my beliefs or lack of beliefs down her throat that is not good parenting in my eyes. I will gladly let her have access to everything she could ever want to learn and I will not hinder her from seeing all the different beliefs that are out there. When she is old enough to understand and look at things for her self she can choose to be religious or not. I do not care either way. That will be entirely up to her. I of course will teach her about being a caring person and what is right or wrong but religion has nothing to do with morals.

I know alot of people are saying well you cannot be a moral person without religion...yeah no. Everyone has morals regardless of beliefs. It is not hard to be an upstanding individual without fearing some wrath from some thing that no one really truly even knows is real. I think it is sad that we as a society are still fighting over this. Everyone can believe in whatever or whomever they want. And some day I really hope that all these mean feelings towards are fellow man for not believeing the the way you do will be a thing of the past.

I contend that we are both atheists. I just believe in one fewer god
than you do. When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible
gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours. ~ Stephen Roberts.

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