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Fourth graders taught about ‘pimps’ and ‘mobstaz’ in Louisiana

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Published September 19, 2013

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Fourth grade students in Vermilion Parish, La. were given a homework assignment that included words like “Po Pimp” and “mobstaz,” but school officials said the worksheet was age appropriate based on an education website affiliated with Common Core education standards.

“I try to instill values in my son,” parent Brittney Badeaux told Fox News. “My goal is for him to ultimately to become a great man, a family man, a well-rounded man. And now my son wants to know what a pimp is.”

Badeaux was helping her 9-year-old son with his homework when she heard him say the words “Po Pimp” and “mobstaz.”

“I couldn’t believe it at first – hearing him read it to me,” she told Fox News. “So I looked at the paper and read the entire article. It was filled with Ebonics.”

The worksheet, obtained by Fox Radio affiliate KPEL provided contextual examples of the word “twist.” It included references to tornadoes and the 1950’s dance craze – the “Twist.”
But it also included a paragraph about “Twista” – a rapper with the group Speedknot Mobstaz who performs a single titled, “Po-Pimp.”

“It was really inappropriate for my child,” Badeaux said. “He doesn’t’ know what a pimp or mobster is.”

She also took issue with the school sending home a worksheet that intentionally misspelled words.

“I try to teach him morals and respect and to speak correctly,” she said. “It’s hard for a fourth grader to understand Ebonics when you’re trying to teach him how to spell and write correctly.”

Vermilion Parish School Superintendent Jerome Puyau told Fox News the “po-pimp” assignment was aligned to a fourth grade English Language Arts standard for Common Core.

“Out of context, this word is inappropriate,” Puyau said. “However, within the Common Core standards, they do want us to discuss real world texts.”

The Common Core State Standards initiative is a plan devised by the nation’s governors and backed by the Obama administration to set a uniform standard for grades K-12. In practice, it will ensure that every child in the nation reaches the same level of learning. So far, 45 states have agreed to use Common Core – including Louisiana.

“The Common Core curriculum, like it or not – we have to make our students successful,” the superintendent said. “We know that in New York proficiency in state testing was very low. We foresee that our students will not be successful unless with align everything to the common core standards.”

And that’s why fourth graders were learning about pimps and mobstaz.

“We want them to read real world texts,” he said. “We know they will go into a department store and see an album with that language on it. We know that will happen. But is that something they should be reading in the schools?”

Puyau conceded the actual paragraph in the assignment was not appropriate for 9-year-olds – even though Common Core-affiliated education site said it was.

“We are going to edit and audit everything that comes through,” he said. “In southwest Louisiana we do have high morals. We’re going to utilize everything that we have to ensure our parents that what they are reading is appropriate to grade level.”

Puyau said he takes full responsibility as the superintendent for what happened – but stressed that according to the Common Core standards – the material was age appropriate.

He said there is even more material out there that would cause parents to raise eyebrows and Badeaux said she heard something similar from her son’s teacher.

“The teacher told me this was the best of the worst of the curriculum that was provided to her,” she said. “We’re not even two months into school. What are they trying to teach him?”

Regardless, the superintendent said the pimp lesson provides a teachable moment for parents and teachers.

“These teachable moments are great to have,” he said. 

But try telling that to the mom who had to explain what a pimp is to her 9-year-old son.

“My son doesn’t know what pimps and mobstaz are!” wrote concerned mother Brittney Badeaux in an email to Hot 107.9′s DJ Digital. “I don’t condone ebonics at his young age.”
“I try to teach my son respect and morals,” Badeaux said. “My goal everyday (sic) is for him to become better for tomorrow and ultimately grow into a great man!”

Vermilion Parish School Superintendent Jerome Puyau said the worksheet is in accordance with Common Core standards adopted by Louisiana.

“Part of the Common Core is what they call ‘real-world text,’” Puyau explained. “What are our students reading?”

“Are these students going to see this on the shelves in our department stores?” he continued. “And the answer is yes. If you search it, the first thing that comes up is the actual song [“Po Pimp”]. This is real-world.”

Puyau said the worksheet was pulled from an education website that aligns itself with Common Core standards.

“The Twist” was controversial in the 50s, Puyau noted, and even the Harry Potter books once raised controversy in his district when a librarian wouldn’t stock the series because of its focus on witchcraft. 

The album “Kamikaze,” also mentioned under the rapper’s description, refers to suicide pilots, Puyau said, but this word is taught in history classes.

Badeaux also raised concerns about a similar text exercise that included a detailed description of how a machine gun works. But Puyau stressed that Vermilion Parish teachers review the content distributed to students, and it’s consistently in alignment with Common Core standards.

“We want to make sure that our students have an understanding and teaching of real-world life experiences through words, but there are teachable moments for parents, and there are teachable moments for us as educators.”





Thoughts?
by on Sep. 19, 2013 at 9:15 PM
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Thelmama
by Bronze Member on Sep. 19, 2013 at 9:45 PM

I think common core aside there are many texts that have dilaect from a specific type or region or time kids can understand. You just talk with your kids about what they read. You further talk to them about why we don't use such words or dialect.  While I would not pick that to give to 4th graders; I would not flip out over it either.  Come along side what is being taught and teach your own morals and values as they do the assignment.  Parental involvement is very important where common core is concerned.  It could be used as a good tool IF used correctly. Look at Tom Sawyer as it was assigned back in my day.  They used inappropriate words, spellings and the like. It did not hurt my ability to learn or make me thing that was the way to talk or spell. It just has to be used correctly.

Mommabearbergh
by on Sep. 19, 2013 at 9:46 PM
The teacher should have realized it wasn't age appropriate. In the fourth grade I knew what mobsters and pimps were.these kids probably know what they are but regardless its not age appropriate.
tooptimistic
by Kelly on Sep. 19, 2013 at 9:46 PM
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“The Common Core curriculum, like it or not – we have to make our students successful,” the superintendent said. “We know that in New York proficiency in state testing was very low. We foresee that our students will not be successful unless with align everything to the common core standards.”

And that’s why fourth graders were learning about pimps and mobstaz.

“We want them to read real world texts,” he said. “We know they will go into a department store and see an album with that language on it. We know that will happen. But is that something they should be reading in the schools?”


It doesn't say who selected it.. but the superindendentn approved it.

Quoting lga1965:

 WHO selected the words "pimps" and "mobstaz" ?   Common Core?

Quoting tooptimistic:

You generalizing..

The article zeros in on the material the school used to teach under the common core umbrella.  The material is inappropriate for a fourth grader. The teacher wasn't the one claiming common core, the principal was.  Watch the video with the interview with the principal.

I do homeschool, but I use a public school curriculum.  I homeschool because I have two special needs kids, one who has immunity issues. (Not that its any of your business.)

This article is more about the the problems with common core.

Quoting lga1965:

 Exactly WHAT am I generalizing about? She posts an article in which they zero in on words one teacher used in her class and decide that ALL Common Core is bad.

Crap.....

Quoting autodidact:

nice generalization. 

Quoting lga1965:

 Blame the teacher for the words, not "Common Core".

Geeeee, how desperate is everyone to bash schools?  Are you a homeschooler?


 



 



autodidact
by Platinum Member on Sep. 19, 2013 at 9:46 PM

funny, nothing here about pimps or Mobstaz.

http://www.corestandards.org/ELA-Literacy/RL/4

Key Ideas and Details

  • CCSS.ELA-Literacy.RL.4.1 Refer to details and examples in a text when explaining what the text says explicitly and when drawing inferences from the text.
  • CCSS.ELA-Literacy.RL.4.2 Determine a theme of a story, drama, or poem from details in the text; summarize the text.
  • CCSS.ELA-Literacy.RL.4.3 Describe in depth a character, setting, or event in a story or drama, drawing on specific details in the text (e.g., a character’s thoughts, words, or actions).

Craft and Structure

  • CCSS.ELA-Literacy.RL.4.4 Determine the meaning of words and phrases as they are used in a text, including those that allude to significant characters found in mythology (e.g., Herculean).
  • CCSS.ELA-Literacy.RL.4.5 Explain major differences between poems, drama, and prose, and refer to the structural elements of poems (e.g., verse, rhythm, meter) and drama (e.g., casts of characters, settings, descriptions, dialogue, stage directions) when writing or speaking about a text.
  • CCSS.ELA-Literacy.RL.4.6 Compare and contrast the point of view from which different stories are narrated, including the difference between first- and third-person narrations.

Integration of Knowledge and Ideas

  • CCSS.ELA-Literacy.RL.4.7 Make connections between the text of a story or drama and a visual or oral presentation of the text, identifying where each version reflects specific descriptions and directions in the text.
  • (RL.4.8 not applicable to literature)
  • CCSS.ELA-Literacy.RL.4.9 Compare and contrast the treatment of similar themes and topics (e.g., opposition of good and evil) and patterns of events (e.g., the quest) in stories, myths, and traditional literature from different cultures.

Range of Reading and Level of Text Complexity

  • CCSS.ELA-Literacy.RL.4.10 By the end of the year, read and comprehend literature, including stories, dramas, and poetry, in the grades 4–5 text complexity band proficiently, with scaffolding as needed at the high end of the range.
tooptimistic
by Kelly on Sep. 19, 2013 at 9:48 PM
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Quoting Mommabearbergh:

The teacher should have realized it wasn't age appropriate. In the fourth grade I knew what mobsters and pimps were.these kids probably know what they are but regardless its not age appropriate.

Really? I can honestly say that my first grade has never listened to rap music, and hopefully he will not be listening to it in fourth grade either. Most of it is not appropriate for children.
autodidact
by Platinum Member on Sep. 19, 2013 at 9:49 PM

Malarkey. 

Sounds to me as though someone's making an effort to defame CC. 

"We want them to read real world texts" does not absolve them from responsibility to find material meeting that requirement which is still age appropriate. The CC sure as hell doesn't require this specific material. 

Quoting tooptimistic:


“The Common Core curriculum, like it or not – we have to make our students successful,” the superintendent said. “We know that in New York proficiency in state testing was very low. We foresee that our students will not be successful unless with align everything to the common core standards.”

And that’s why fourth graders were learning about pimps and mobstaz.

“We want them to read real world texts,” he said. “We know they will go into a department store and see an album with that language on it. We know that will happen. But is that something they should be reading in the schools?”


It doesn't say who selected it.. but the superindendentn approved it.

Quoting lga1965:

 WHO selected the words "pimps" and "mobstaz" ?   Common Core?

Quoting tooptimistic:

You generalizing..

The article zeros in on the material the school used to teach under the common core umbrella.  The material is inappropriate for a fourth grader. The teacher wasn't the one claiming common core, the principal was.  Watch the video with the interview with the principal.

I do homeschool, but I use a public school curriculum.  I homeschool because I have two special needs kids, one who has immunity issues. (Not that its any of your business.)

This article is more about the the problems with common core.

Quoting lga1965:

 Exactly WHAT am I generalizing about? She posts an article in which they zero in on words one teacher used in her class and decide that ALL Common Core is bad.

Crap.....

Quoting autodidact:

nice generalization. 

Quoting lga1965:

 Blame the teacher for the words, not "Common Core".

Geeeee, how desperate is everyone to bash schools?  Are you a homeschooler?


 



 




tooptimistic
by Kelly on Sep. 19, 2013 at 9:50 PM

Yeah, I looked too and you are right, there are so many common core sites!!  I wonder where the "real world language" part is..  I wonder if it is 4.1?


Quoting autodidact:

funny, nothing here about pimps or Mobstaz.

http://www.corestandards.org/ELA-Literacy/RL/4

Key Ideas and Details

  • CCSS.ELA-Literacy.RL.4.1 Refer to details and examples in a text when explaining what the text says explicitly and when drawing inferences from the text.
  • CCSS.ELA-Literacy.RL.4.2 Determine a theme of a story, drama, or poem from details in the text; summarize the text.
  • CCSS.ELA-Literacy.RL.4.3 Describe in depth a character, setting, or event in a story or drama, drawing on specific details in the text (e.g., a character’s thoughts, words, or actions).

Craft and Structure

  • CCSS.ELA-Literacy.RL.4.4 Determine the meaning of words and phrases as they are used in a text, including those that allude to significant characters found in mythology (e.g., Herculean).
  • CCSS.ELA-Literacy.RL.4.5 Explain major differences between poems, drama, and prose, and refer to the structural elements of poems (e.g., verse, rhythm, meter) and drama (e.g., casts of characters, settings, descriptions, dialogue, stage directions) when writing or speaking about a text.
  • CCSS.ELA-Literacy.RL.4.6 Compare and contrast the point of view from which different stories are narrated, including the difference between first- and third-person narrations.

Integration of Knowledge and Ideas

  • CCSS.ELA-Literacy.RL.4.7 Make connections between the text of a story or drama and a visual or oral presentation of the text, identifying where each version reflects specific descriptions and directions in the text.
  • (RL.4.8 not applicable to literature)
  • CCSS.ELA-Literacy.RL.4.9 Compare and contrast the treatment of similar themes and topics (e.g., opposition of good and evil) and patterns of events (e.g., the quest) in stories, myths, and traditional literature from different cultures.

Range of Reading and Level of Text Complexity

  • CCSS.ELA-Literacy.RL.4.10 By the end of the year, read and comprehend literature, including stories, dramas, and poetry, in the grades 4–5 text complexity band proficiently, with scaffolding as needed at the high end of the range.



Mommabearbergh
by on Sep. 19, 2013 at 9:54 PM
Yes really. Kids in the 21st century know about things earlier because society has forced them to. I knew about aids/HIV as a young kid because I had teenage siblings and the early90's it was all about awareness. With so much things out there kids are aware of a lot.

Quoting tooptimistic:



Quoting Mommabearbergh:

The teacher should have realized it wasn't age appropriate. In the fourth grade I knew what mobsters and pimps were.these kids probably know what they are but regardless its not age appropriate.




Really? I can honestly say that my first grade has never listened to rap music, and hopefully he will not be listening to it in fourth grade either. Most of it is not appropriate for children.
Lizard_Lina
by Silver Member on Sep. 19, 2013 at 9:54 PM
Wasn't Catcher In The Rye as well?


Quoting quickbooksworm:

Huck Finn was changed and/or banned due to period appropriate language.




Quoting worwalkerlds:

They shouldn't allow those kids to read "A Raisin in the Sun" or any other such works. They will have a fit with all of the incorrect grammar and references to things outside of the cultural norm.


autodidact
by Platinum Member on Sep. 19, 2013 at 9:55 PM

I found this, but it's unclear to which grade, if not all, it applies: 

Content

A.1.1 Address discrete elements of daily life

A.2.1 Address topics related to self and the immediate environment

A.3.1 Address concrete and factual topics related to the immediate and external environment

A.4.1 Address complex concrete, factual and abstract topics related to the immediate and external environment

Quoting tooptimistic:

Yeah, I looked too and you are right, there are so many common core sites!!  I wonder where the "real world language" part is..  I wonder if it is 4.1?


Quoting autodidact:

funny, nothing here about pimps or Mobstaz.

http://www.corestandards.org/ELA-Literacy/RL/4

Key Ideas and Details

  • CCSS.ELA-Literacy.RL.4.1 Refer to details and examples in a text when explaining what the text says explicitly and when drawing inferences from the text.
  • CCSS.ELA-Literacy.RL.4.2 Determine a theme of a story, drama, or poem from details in the text; summarize the text.
  • CCSS.ELA-Literacy.RL.4.3 Describe in depth a character, setting, or event in a story or drama, drawing on specific details in the text (e.g., a character’s thoughts, words, or actions).

Craft and Structure

  • CCSS.ELA-Literacy.RL.4.4 Determine the meaning of words and phrases as they are used in a text, including those that allude to significant characters found in mythology (e.g., Herculean).
  • CCSS.ELA-Literacy.RL.4.5 Explain major differences between poems, drama, and prose, and refer to the structural elements of poems (e.g., verse, rhythm, meter) and drama (e.g., casts of characters, settings, descriptions, dialogue, stage directions) when writing or speaking about a text.
  • CCSS.ELA-Literacy.RL.4.6 Compare and contrast the point of view from which different stories are narrated, including the difference between first- and third-person narrations.

Integration of Knowledge and Ideas

  • CCSS.ELA-Literacy.RL.4.7 Make connections between the text of a story or drama and a visual or oral presentation of the text, identifying where each version reflects specific descriptions and directions in the text.
  • (RL.4.8 not applicable to literature)
  • CCSS.ELA-Literacy.RL.4.9 Compare and contrast the treatment of similar themes and topics (e.g., opposition of good and evil) and patterns of events (e.g., the quest) in stories, myths, and traditional literature from different cultures.

Range of Reading and Level of Text Complexity

  • CCSS.ELA-Literacy.RL.4.10 By the end of the year, read and comprehend literature, including stories, dramas, and poetry, in the grades 4–5 text complexity band proficiently, with scaffolding as needed at the high end of the range.




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