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House passes spending bill to defund Obamacare

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House Republicans passed their stopgap funding bill Friday to keep government open while terminating the new health care law, setting up a final showdown next week with Senate Democrats and President Obama who have firmly rejected the GOP approach.

The 230-189 vote, which split almost exactly along party lines, is the precursor to the big action next week, when the Democratic majority in the Senate is expected to strip out the health care provisions and send the bill back to the House — where Republicans will have to decide whether they can accept it at that point.



All sides are racing to beat a Sept. 30 deadline, which is when current funding for the federal government runs out. The new measure would fund the government through Dec. 15, essentially at last year’s levels, and would leave the budget sequester cuts in place.

But Republicans on Friday also attached two amendments to the final bill — one to direct how government spending is prioritized in the event the Treasury Department bumps up against its borrowing limit in the coming weeks, and another that strips out funding for President Obama’s signature Affordable Care Act, which would effectively stop its implementation.

“The American people don’t want the government shut down, and they don’t want Obamacare,” said House Speaker John A. Boehner, who rallied with fellow Republicans after the vote in a show of unity that seemed designed to quell speculation about a rebellion within the House Republican Conference.

Republicans said the move was designed to put some Democratic senators on the spot. House Majority Leader Eric Cantor named several who are up for re-election next year, including Louisiana Sen. Mary Landrieu and Alaska Sen. Mark Begich.

Democrats said the bill was an outrage that exposed Republicans’ true intention of trying to force a government shutdown.

“It is a wolf in wolf’s clothing,” said Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi, California Democrat. “Either you don’t know what you’re doing or this is one of the most intentional acts of brutality you’ve cooked up.”



Rep. Nita Lowey, the top Democrat on the House spending committee, said limiting government funding now would immediate consequences, such as preventing federal authorities from being able to help out as Colorado recovers from devastating floods.

Democrats urged the GOP to negotiate with them to raise taxes in order to spend more.

Republicans countered that if they’d wanted to shut down government, they wouldn’t have brought any bill to the floor.

“We are pragmatists. We know we have to pass bills to fund government. Thus this bill,” said House Appropriations Committee Chairman Hal Rogers, Kentucky Republican.

by on Sep. 20, 2013 at 12:46 PM
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cjsbmom
by Lois Lane on Sep. 22, 2013 at 9:18 AM

You have said it's not worth bailing out a failing program (CHIP). That is your argument. Yet, there are plenty of people here who thought it was appropriate to bail out large corporations who were failing. Why did they get to be bailed out using taxpayer money, yet a worthwhile program like CHIP doesn't deserve the same consideration? That is the logic. 

And there are not currently alternatives to CHIP except to have other private insurance plans. But without the ACA, those insurance plans have the right to reject any child with a pre-existing condition. CHIP takes a child regardless of their medical history. So it's not as easy as you think to get alternative coverage. 

Quoting D-Town:

You're going to have to explain, logically, what the healthcare law has to do with corporate bailout. As far as everyone else is aware, the healthcare bill and the bailout are 2 completely differnt things.

 

And I'm sorry that one person will have to lose the medical coverage (that was already available to them before this program) It really is a sad story. But a thousand people losing their medical coverage to cover that one person is in no way, shape or form, logical. The really sad part, is that in the story provided about CHIP, there were other options available. It just required a little bit of work to look them up.

Quoting cjsbmom:

Yet we repeatedly bail out large corporations that are failing. Let's apply  your same logic here and just let them fail. 

CHIP is all that some families can afford. They don't qualify for Medicaid, but their kids shouldn't go without medical care, either. 

Quoting D-Town:

That is exactly why I support the republicans in this. If the CHIP program is a failing program dumping more money into it will not save it. It wastes money to extend a failing program. And it takes away from other programs that are just as important. Taxes were raised A LOT in this bill but it's all being spent.


In order to get the economy back on track, taxes need to be raised and funding to some programs are going to have to be cut. Regardless if it's a good program or not. If it's failing, it's failing. This is what the republicans are talking about.


Quoting cjsbmom:

The CHIP program was going bankrupt. The ACA passing made it possible for federal funding to be used to keep it operational. If the ACA is repealed, CHIP will be canceled. 

Quoting D-Town:

The CHIP program was around before this bill.



Quoting aimesnyc:

If it gets defunded, you do realize that there are repurcussions,

right?  For example, millions of children that are insured through CHIP

will be affected: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/09/19/gop-defund-chip_n_3955411.html

My son is covered by CHIP.  There are many other kids covered by CHIP.  We weren't made aware that it was initially even set to expire Oct 1st.  I do NOT want ACA to be defunded.  I am sure there are other parents that feel the same.



Quoting D-Town:

It isn't very often I agree with the Republican Party but I think they are spot on in this. The Dena want to raise taxes and increase spending. We will never pull ahead with that philosophy. We need to cut some government spending with all these tax increases that have been passed. It only makes sense to defund the programs that aren't working as planned and the general populace doesn't want.







 


lga1965
by on Sep. 22, 2013 at 9:25 AM

 

Quoting cathygymboree:

 

 

Quoting lga1965:

The ACA is law. What do they think can do now ?
Are the republicans turning into "death panel people", hoping millions will have to go without ANY health care and then die,leaving only rich conservatives to populate America ?
They are nuts.

You realize that you're pretty flakey, right ????

 

 I was exaggeratimng for "effect".

But possibly, they don't care.

D-Town
by Silver Member on Sep. 22, 2013 at 10:20 AM

And there are people who actually think the healthcare bill is a good thing despite all the repurcussions we've been feeling from it. I'm not speaking for those people and I'm not speaking for those that approved of the bailouts either. ESPECIALLY when I've said (in plain, comprehensible English) that I didn't/don't approve of corporate bailouts either. There is a lot of waste in our government I don't approve of. Stopping it has to start somewhere. Might as well start with the one that is wasting trillions of dollars.

 

In the story provided in this discussion, yes she did have alternatives. She stated she couldn't get vaccines until she got CHIP. Guess what? There are other programs that provide free/low cost vaccines. She was just too lazy to go look them up. VFC is a federal program that provides vaccines for those that can't get them. EVEN IF YOU ARE ABOVE THE POVERTY LIMITS. It required no extra work other than research.

 

And you're wrong. You actually couldn't be denied for pre-existing conditions. You just may have had to go for a period of time paying for your condition out of pocket. And if you enrolled while having a pre-existing condition, your premiums were likely higher.

 

I realize it sucks that you have a personal stake in this FAILING program, but 1000 people losing their health insurance for 1 person is not a logical or fair trade off.

Quoting cjsbmom:

You have said it's not worth bailing out a failing program (CHIP). That is your argument. Yet, there are plenty of people here who thought it was appropriate to bail out large corporations who were failing. Why did they get to be bailed out using taxpayer money, yet a worthwhile program like CHIP doesn't deserve the same consideration? That is the logic. 

And there are not currently alternatives to CHIP except to have other private insurance plans. But without the ACA, those insurance plans have the right to reject any child with a pre-existing condition. CHIP takes a child regardless of their medical history. So it's not as easy as you think to get alternative coverage. 

Quoting D-Town:

You're going to have to explain, logically, what the healthcare law has to do with corporate bailout. As far as everyone else is aware, the healthcare bill and the bailout are 2 completely differnt things.

 

And I'm sorry that one person will have to lose the medical coverage (that was already available to them before this program) It really is a sad story. But a thousand people losing their medical coverage to cover that one person is in no way, shape or form, logical. The really sad part, is that in the story provided about CHIP, there were other options available. It just required a little bit of work to look them up.

Quoting cjsbmom:

Yet we repeatedly bail out large corporations that are failing. Let's apply  your same logic here and just let them fail. 

CHIP is all that some families can afford. They don't qualify for Medicaid, but their kids shouldn't go without medical care, either. 

Quoting D-Town:

That is exactly why I support the republicans in this. If the CHIP program is a failing program dumping more money into it will not save it. It wastes money to extend a failing program. And it takes away from other programs that are just as important. Taxes were raised A LOT in this bill but it's all being spent.


In order to get the economy back on track, taxes need to be raised and funding to some programs are going to have to be cut. Regardless if it's a good program or not. If it's failing, it's failing. This is what the republicans are talking about.


Quoting cjsbmom:

The CHIP program was going bankrupt. The ACA passing made it possible for federal funding to be used to keep it operational. If the ACA is repealed, CHIP will be canceled. 

Quoting D-Town:

The CHIP program was around before this bill.



Quoting aimesnyc:

If it gets defunded, you do realize that there are repurcussions,

right?  For example, millions of children that are insured through CHIP

will be affected: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/09/19/gop-defund-chip_n_3955411.html

My son is covered by CHIP.  There are many other kids covered by CHIP.  We weren't made aware that it was initially even set to expire Oct 1st.  I do NOT want ACA to be defunded.  I am sure there are other parents that feel the same.



Quoting D-Town:

It isn't very often I agree with the Republican Party but I think they are spot on in this. The Dena want to raise taxes and increase spending. We will never pull ahead with that philosophy. We need to cut some government spending with all these tax increases that have been passed. It only makes sense to defund the programs that aren't working as planned and the general populace doesn't want.

 



 



 


 

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