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conservatives 'disturbed' by Pope's new couse according to Archbold

Posted by on Sep. 20, 2013 at 3:00 PM
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By Daniel Burke, CNN Belief Blog Co-editor

(CNN) – “Rain on parched land.”

“A bold new course.”

“Revolutionary.”

That’s how liberal Catholics responded to the stunning interview published Thursday in which Pope Francis bluntly said the church shouldn’t be “obsessed” with culture war issues like abortion and gay marriage.

“It is not necessary to talk about these issues all the time,” the pope said.

How did conservative Catholics, the church’s most ardent culture warriors, react?

“I’ll be honest; I was disturbed,” writes Matthew Archbold in the conservative National Catholic Register.

“While it’s clear that the pope is not changing church teaching he is clearly changing the emphasis. The pope with a few words has unsettled so much.”

Archbold said that he’s concerned that anti-abortion protesters and opponents of gay marriage in the United States will be silenced.

MORE ON CNN: Pope Francis: Church can’t ‘interfere’ with gays

Before the release of Thursday’s interview, Bishop Thomas Tobin of Rhode Island said he was “disappointed” that Francis had not spoken much about abortion. On Friday, Tobin welcomed the pope’s comments, but said it won’t change his focus.

“I have spoken out clearly about the dignity of all human life and the nature of holy matrimony as designed by God and will continue to do so whenever the situation warrants,” Tobin said. “It is a demand of the Gospel.”

The bishop also said, however, that he welcomed the pope’s “balanced and inclusive” approach.

Other conservative Catholics said the media and liberals had misinterpreted the pope’s remarks, made in a 12,000-word interview published Thursday in 16 Jesuit journals around the world.

“The pope is a reformer, but not a revolutionary,” Bill Donohue, president of the Catholic League for Civil and Religious Rights, told CNN’s Chris Cuomo.

“This is the problem with the left,” Dohonue continued, “they are trying to take what the pope said and then run with it.”

Donohue, a caustic and sometimes controversial critic of people he perceives as anti-Catholic, said the pope’s remarks won’t silence him.

“There’s nothing the pope said that should give relief to people who say all of a sudden now that conservatives should shut up,” Donahue said. “We’re not going to shut up because we’re in consonant compliance with what the pope said. “

After all, conservatives say, it’s not like the pope changed Catholic doctrine in Thursday’s interview.

To underscore that point, the conservative blog Rorate Caeli posted a lengthy quote from the pope’s meeting with Catholic gynecologists on Friday in which he strongly denounced abortion.

“Each child who is unborn, but is unjustly condemned to be aborted, bears the face of Jesus Christ, bears the face of the Lord,” the pope said, according to Rorate Caeli’s translation. “They cannot be discarded, as the `culture of waste’ proposes.”

Father John Zuhlsdorf, a conservative Catholic blogger, said the pope urged Catholics to find a “new balance” between their moral and political missions. He didn’t say they should surrender the culture wars.

“I think that Francis thinks that constant correction and condemnation does more harm than good,” Zuhlsdorf wrote on his blog.

“Francis said `all the time,” Zuhlsdorf said.”He did not say `we should not talk about these things.’”

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Other conservatives said the pope remarks are “nothing new.”

“The Pope is not in any way proposing that the church should abandon important moral and social teachings,” said Ashley McGuire of the Catholic Association.” Rather, the pope is reaffirming a longstanding teaching that reaches all the way back to the founding of Christianity: love your neighbor.”

And while most liberals praised the pope’s bold new vision, some took issue with his remarks about women’s role in the church.

“We have to work harder to develop a theology of women in the church,” Francis said.

“Breaking news, Pope Francis: There is already a profound theology of women, said Sister Maureen Fielder, a Catholic nun and longtime advocate of women’s ordination in the Catholic Church.

“There are libraries of feminist theology just waiting for you, and others, to dive in.”

Fielder said she likes the new pope, but she thinks he “sorely needs a course in feminist theology.”

For the most part, however, liberals praised Francis.

Under previous popes, liberal Catholic nuns, politicians and theologians were castigated by church leaders, said John Gehring, a writer and advocate at the group Faith in Public Life. Now “the air is starting to clear,” he said.

“Pope Francis is rescuing the Catholic Church from those grim-faced watchdogs of orthodoxy who in windowless rooms reduce Catholicism to a laundry list of nos,” Gehring said.

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AlekD
by Gold Member on Sep. 20, 2013 at 3:02 PM

Another one?

rfurlongg
by on Sep. 20, 2013 at 3:12 PM
Had not seen this article posted before. Did I miss it?

Quoting AlekD:

Another one?

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AlekD
by Gold Member on Sep. 20, 2013 at 3:15 PM

Not this particular article but there has been at least 6 threads about the Pope's statements in the past two days. It's been hashed and rehashed by now.

Quoting rfurlongg:

Had not seen this article posted before. Did I miss it?

Quoting AlekD:

Another one?


                      

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cjsbmom
by Lois Lane on Sep. 20, 2013 at 3:17 PM

This is the article that was being discussed on NPR today.  I made reference to it in candlegal's post. 

Quoting AlekD:

Not this particular article but there has been at least 6 threads about the Pope's statements in the past two days. It's been hashed and rehashed by now.

Quoting rfurlongg:

Had not seen this article posted before. Did I miss it?

Quoting AlekD:

Another one?



parentalrights1
by on Sep. 20, 2013 at 3:23 PM
They need to stay out of uteruses completely but it's a start
Sisteract
by Whoopie on Sep. 20, 2013 at 3:28 PM

People are so afraid of change- so afraid to the point of paranoia.

It's the same with the ACA- why can't people just relax and see how things shake out? 


AlekD
by Gold Member on Sep. 20, 2013 at 3:40 PM

Here is the rest of the blog by Archbold they pulled the "disturbed" quote from. A little misleading.

Pope Francis Has Unsettled Me

 Friday, September 20, 2013 10:50 AM Comments (54)

I'll be honest. I was shocked at what Pope Francis said in an interview published yesterday. I was disturbed because I knew that his comments would be used against pro-life and traditional marriage activists. I knew that sidewalk counselors would be told by those supporting abortion that the pope told them not to be "obsessed" with abortion. Traditional marriage supporters would also be told that the pope said, "Who are you to judge?"

I'll be honest, I was disturbed. While it's clear that the pope is not changing Church teaching he is clearly changing the emphasis. The pope with a few words has unsettled so much. With a few words the pope has unsettled me.

But I thought and prayed about it yesterday and finally came to the realization that maybe that's not such a terrible thing. The Catholic faith was never meant to be a settled one. We are called to light the world on fire with love. And I wondered if this was a moment to afford me the opportunity to consider my faith differently. To deepen it. I know that I can be guilty of being a bit abrasive and mocking towards those who disagree with the Church's teaching on life and marriage.

Smarter people than me can tell you what the pope was saying but what I took from it was that the pope was telling us that there is so much more to the faith than the anti-abortion movement and the defense of marriage. He wasn't discounting them, but he was inviting us to a deeper understanding of the faith. Our faith is not an either/or. We are called to live in the fullness of the gospel.

We are called to love everyone. Everyone. And I think that's something I need to work on. It's not enough to be right. We're called to love. It's much harder.

I think the pope was reminding us that we are a religion of "yes." It's like when you get married your "I do" is also an "I never will" to millions of women on the planet. But that's, of course, not what we focus on.

This pope has unsettled me. And I am grateful.



Read more: http://www.ncregister.com/blog/matthew-archbold/pope-francis-has-unsettled-me/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+NationalCatholicRegisterBloggers+National+Catholic+Register+Bloggers#When:2013-09-20#ixzz2fSoBCC1g

rfurlongg
by on Sep. 20, 2013 at 3:43 PM
I saw that there had been other posts, but different articles present different slants. I thought this article was interesting.

Quoting AlekD:

Not this particular article but there has been at least 6 threads about the Pope's statements in the past two days. It's been hashed and rehashed by now.

Quoting rfurlongg:

Had not seen this article posted before. Did I miss it?



Quoting AlekD:

Another one?


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