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Hobby Lobby Not Stocking Hanukkah Decorations....

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....and it's angering the people in Marlboro, NJ.

http://eastbrunswick.patch.com/groups/business-news/p/hobby-lobby-considering-jewish-holiday-decorations-on-shelves-eastbrunswick?ncid=newsltuspatc00000001&evar4=picks-3-post&newsRef=true

After internet backlash from a local blogger about its Marlboro Township store, Hobby Lobby is evaluating its merchandise.

Over the weekend, Marlboro residents began to discover and circulate a blog post detailing Hobby Lobby's lack of Jewish holiday decorations.

The post, written by Ken Berwitz, author of the political book Hopelessly Partisan, recounts a conversation Bewitz said he had with the craft and home store's corporate office in which the office allegedly answered, "Because Mr. [David] Green is the owner of the company, he's a Christian, and those are his values."

In a brief email to Patch, Hobby Lobby representative Vincent Parker said, "We currently do not carry any Hanukah items in our store. Our customers have brought this to our attention and we are currently evaluating our Holiday items and what we will carry in the future."

Hobby Lobby opened in Marlboro in June, filling the empty Pathmark location on Route 9 North in Marlboro Plaza.

The store is an arts and crafts chain controlled by Green and family in Oklahoma City with 13,000 employees and 525 big-box stores in the United States as of March, 2013. It is the third location to open in New Jersey. The other two stores are in South Plainfield and Millville. 

In his blog post, Berwitz said he believes the lack of Jewish holiday decorations is "anti-Semitic" in an area with a large Jewish population. 

"So let's be clear: these are not Christian values. They are David Green values," Berwitz wrote.

The blog post was also picked up by NJ 101.5 host Ray Rossi. A small majority of listeners voted they would not patronize stores such as Hobby Lobby, Barilla Pasta, or Chick-fil-A when their chairman’s values are made public, if the views do not reflect their own.

In his own blog post, Rabbi Don Weber of Temple Rodeph Torah said, The same freedom that allows Hobby Lobby to ignore Jewish interests also allows us to ignore Hobby Lobby. OUR freedom includes the right to vote with our feet, and with our money."

Green's company also runs Mardel, a large chain of Christian bookstores. The company is challenging a requirement in President Barack Obama's revised healthcare legislation that some companies must give insurance coverage for contraception drugs and devices.  In December, Supreme Court Justice Sonia Sotomayor refused to block the mandate. The company was told it could continue its challenge in lower courts. 

On its website, the Hobby Lobby mission includes, "Honoring the Lord in all we do by operating the company in a manner consistent with biblical principles." 

A Lawrenceville Hobby Lobby location is set to open Wednesday, Oct. 11 at 3360 Brunswick Pike. Hobby Lobby also has New Jersey stores in South Plainfield and Millville.

by on Oct. 1, 2013 at 6:23 AM
Replies (321-330):
JackandJayne
by on Oct. 2, 2013 at 2:17 AM

I don't see the big deal. They realize there's a market for it now, so they'll probably stock it. What's the problem? Even if they didn't, who cares, don't shop there then. I don't blow a gasket when some store has no crosses. Lol wow. 

thefiregoddess
by on Oct. 2, 2013 at 3:05 AM
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I live near a hobby lobby..we dont have other craft stores locally here in the south.
I will make a point to order it online from amazon that isnt a total bigot company (hobby lobby also refuses to offer birth control coverage)

One persons opinion should not decide for the masses.

I dont care how religious you are your employees may NOT be. Run like a business, not like a religious organization. 

romalove
by Roma on Oct. 2, 2013 at 5:47 AM


Quoting JackandJayne:

I don't see the big deal. They realize there's a market for it now, so they'll probably stock it. What's the problem? Even if they didn't, who cares, don't shop there then. I don't blow a gasket when some store has no crosses. Lol wow. 

The problem is how they responded to their customers, not what they do or do not carry.

jesusismyfriend
by Silver Member on Oct. 2, 2013 at 5:53 AM

This makes me mad.  We are to love one another and not judge.  It doesn't mean we must agree with what they do but we should not try to bulky them into what we believe.

romalove
by Roma on Oct. 2, 2013 at 6:03 AM


Quoting jesusismyfriend:

This makes me mad.  We are to love one another and not judge.  It doesn't mean we must agree with what they do but we should not try to bulky them into what we believe.

Who do you think is bullying?

12hellokitty
by Ruby Member on Oct. 2, 2013 at 6:20 AM



Quoting romalove:


Quoting srichtermom:

I wonder what ever happened to private business being able to carry what they want because they are a private business.  It is getting out of control that people find a way to nitpick every single business that doesn't carry every item they want or items from each and every religious group.  It is a store's right and I'm pretty sure our country was founded on people's freedom of choice, regardless of whether it makes other people mad.

You're right.

Hobby Lobby can carry whatever it wants, and does not have to carry anything it doesn't.

However, you lose me when you expect that they can do whatever they want and others will not have the right to have their say or comment.  In this case, they came into an area that has a big Jewish population, and indicated when asked by that population about serving it that they would not do so, and not in a nice way.

Rights are all around; Hobby Lobby can do and say what they want, and those who don't like it can say what they want, too.


Nonsense.  One employee made a comment, someone from corp. stated the owner as being a Christian, followed by another person from corp stating the company will be looking into expanding their holiday items in the future.  The company has very quickly responded to the customer.  To continue to claim they have stated they will not serve the population is disingenuous.  

romalove
by Roma on Oct. 2, 2013 at 6:23 AM


Quoting 12hellokitty:



Quoting romalove:


Quoting srichtermom:

I wonder what ever happened to private business being able to carry what they want because they are a private business.  It is getting out of control that people find a way to nitpick every single business that doesn't carry every item they want or items from each and every religious group.  It is a store's right and I'm pretty sure our country was founded on people's freedom of choice, regardless of whether it makes other people mad.

You're right.

Hobby Lobby can carry whatever it wants, and does not have to carry anything it doesn't.

However, you lose me when you expect that they can do whatever they want and others will not have the right to have their say or comment.  In this case, they came into an area that has a big Jewish population, and indicated when asked by that population about serving it that they would not do so, and not in a nice way.

Rights are all around; Hobby Lobby can do and say what they want, and those who don't like it can say what they want, too.


Nonsense.  One employee made a comment, someone from corp. stated the owner as being a Christian, followed by another person from corp stating the company will be looking into expanding their holiday items in the future.  The company has very quickly responded to the customer.  To continue to claim they have stated they will not serve the population is disingenuous.  

That's not what happened.  You're only taking the statements from the company as truth and not the experiences of the customers complaining as true.  It wasn't one person, it was multiple phone calls and two people actually in the stores.

I didn't "continue" to claim anything, I am talking about what already happened.  How HL acts in the future may or may not be different.

I will not be surprised if they don't last long at that location.  The competition there is great, and there are plenty of people who will not want to shop there now.  

12hellokitty
by Ruby Member on Oct. 2, 2013 at 6:33 AM



Quoting romalove:


Quoting 12hellokitty:



Quoting romalove:


Quoting srichtermom:

I wonder what ever happened to private business being able to carry what they want because they are a private business.  It is getting out of control that people find a way to nitpick every single business that doesn't carry every item they want or items from each and every religious group.  It is a store's right and I'm pretty sure our country was founded on people's freedom of choice, regardless of whether it makes other people mad.

You're right.

Hobby Lobby can carry whatever it wants, and does not have to carry anything it doesn't.

However, you lose me when you expect that they can do whatever they want and others will not have the right to have their say or comment.  In this case, they came into an area that has a big Jewish population, and indicated when asked by that population about serving it that they would not do so, and not in a nice way.

Rights are all around; Hobby Lobby can do and say what they want, and those who don't like it can say what they want, too.


Nonsense.  One employee made a comment, someone from corp. stated the owner as being a Christian, followed by another person from corp stating the company will be looking into expanding their holiday items in the future.  The company has very quickly responded to the customer.  To continue to claim they have stated they will not serve the population is disingenuous.  

That's not what happened.  You're only taking the statements from the company as truth and not the experiences of the customers complaining as true.  It wasn't one person, it was multiple phone calls and two people actually in the stores.

I didn't "continue" to claim anything, I am talking about what already happened.  How HL acts in the future may or may not be different.

I will not be surprised if they don't last long at that location.  The competition there is great, and there are plenty of people who will not want to shop there now.  

Rightttttt,  like the complaint of the customer/blogger claiming it as being ant-semitic to not carry Hanukkah decorations.....

romalove
by Roma on Oct. 2, 2013 at 6:37 AM


Quoting 12hellokitty:



Quoting romalove:


Quoting 12hellokitty:



Quoting romalove:


Quoting srichtermom:

I wonder what ever happened to private business being able to carry what they want because they are a private business.  It is getting out of control that people find a way to nitpick every single business that doesn't carry every item they want or items from each and every religious group.  It is a store's right and I'm pretty sure our country was founded on people's freedom of choice, regardless of whether it makes other people mad.

You're right.

Hobby Lobby can carry whatever it wants, and does not have to carry anything it doesn't.

However, you lose me when you expect that they can do whatever they want and others will not have the right to have their say or comment.  In this case, they came into an area that has a big Jewish population, and indicated when asked by that population about serving it that they would not do so, and not in a nice way.

Rights are all around; Hobby Lobby can do and say what they want, and those who don't like it can say what they want, too.


Nonsense.  One employee made a comment, someone from corp. stated the owner as being a Christian, followed by another person from corp stating the company will be looking into expanding their holiday items in the future.  The company has very quickly responded to the customer.  To continue to claim they have stated they will not serve the population is disingenuous.  

That's not what happened.  You're only taking the statements from the company as truth and not the experiences of the customers complaining as true.  It wasn't one person, it was multiple phone calls and two people actually in the stores.

I didn't "continue" to claim anything, I am talking about what already happened.  How HL acts in the future may or may not be different.

I will not be surprised if they don't last long at that location.  The competition there is great, and there are plenty of people who will not want to shop there now.  

Rightttttt,  like the complaint of the customer/blogger claiming it as being ant-semitic to not carry Hanukkah decorations.....

I already said I didn't think it was anti-Semitic not to carry the decorations.  I think it's stupid to move your store into an area that's got to many Jews with no intention of serving them, and I think it's even more stupid to actually tell them that.  I'm a business person; I can't imagine actively alienating clients, even if I have no intention of doing what they ask.  I know how to politely decline a request.

Saying "we don't cater to you people" doesn't give anyone the warm fuzzies.


momtoscott
by Platinum Member on Oct. 2, 2013 at 7:59 AM

To be fair to Hobby Lobby (which I hate, but will be), I would think people who are making Christmas crafts and decorations with HL products would need to start a month or two in advance, rather than wait until December.  I can understand why they would have this merchandise displayed now.  

I'm so excited--it seems that the War on Christmas has come early this year.  It's started right in this thread!  Somebody should call O'Reilly and tell him he's been scooped.  

Quoting lizzielouaf:


I mentioned earlier when I went to Hobby Lobby today there was already a ton of Christmas paraphernalia out. It's October 1, we haven't celebrated Halloween or thanksgiving yet and have damn near 3 months till Christmas. Do I really have to spend the next 3 months sniffing pine, looking at santas face and listening to the little drummer boy? And people get bent because they don't get to hear Merry Christmas? LOL spare me the melodrama.

Quoting Bookwormy:

I'm Jewish. I think that there are wars on Chanukah & Ramadan, not Christmas. I posted a thread last year about the war on Chanukah. I think the war in Christmas is a bunch of bunk!

Quoting muslimomof2:

Don't apologize the wording was correct. It is wrong. If I had a store and decided tomorrow (yes I know it would be a dumb move) that I was no longer selling anything christmas related you would think it was the end of the world. Sure stores can target certain audiences but that does not make it any less wrong to target an audience based on your religious beliefs.



Quoting Bookwormy:

Ok, wrong is an inappropriate word. however it does feel frustrating & marginalizing, & i empathize with her.



Again, it is not fun to be in the minority. However, as i have said, i find it preferable to the alternatives.




Quoting Bookwormy:

I'm sorry. That's wrong too.





Quoting muslimomof2:

yeah.... I have never ever scene a ramadan decoration in ANY store so yeah Im not surprised







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