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Biblical scholar's evidence that Jesus is a fictional character invented by Romans for political reasons

Posted by on Oct. 8, 2013 at 9:56 PM
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Hold up! Let me say this first, I think this is interesting. I am not convinced however that the Roman elite made up Jesus as a tool of psychological warfare. One reason being that the original gospels, those pieces of papyrus that those first writers wrote on, the first copies, don't exist. At least not anymore. They are lost to history. What we do have are codexes that are copies of copies of copies. The earliest one dates I believe to 300 AD. 

One reason I do not believe this is because those original gospels were not written by professional scribes. They were written by the more educated members of the early Christian community but those people were in no way professional scribes. There are many mistakes in the copies (spelling and grammar) that more than likely existed on the originals. The Romans had professional scribes at their disposal and being the perfectionists they were would have utilized them. 

Maybe this scholar took that into account and addresses that point. I don't know. All I have is this article here. I honestly do not want to stir up trouble or name calling (I really truly do not). I just think this is interesting because humanity in general is interesting to me. 

http://uk.prweb.com/releases/2013/10/prweb11201273.htm

Ancient Confession Found: 'We Invented Jesus Christ'

Biblical scholars will be appearing at the 'Covert Messiah' Conference at Conway Hall in London on the 19th of October to present this controversial discovery to the British public.

London (PRWEB UK) 8 October 2013

American Biblical scholar Joseph Atwill will be appearing before the British public for the first time in London on the 19th of October to present a controversial new discovery: ancient confessions recently uncovered now prove, according to Atwill, that the New Testament was written by first-century Roman aristocrats and that they fabricated the entire story of Jesus Christ. His presentation will be part of a one-day symposium entitled "Covert Messiah" at Conway Hall in Holborn (full details can be found athttp://www.covertmessiah.com).

Although to many scholars his theory seems outlandish, and is sure to upset some believers, Atwill regards his evidence as conclusive and is confident its acceptance is only a matter of time. "I present my work with some ambivalence, as I do not want to directly cause Christians any harm," he acknowledges, "but this is important for our culture. Alert citizens need to know the truth about our past so we can understand how and why governments create false histories and false gods. They often do it to obtain a social order that is against the best interests of the common people."

Atwill asserts that Christianity did not really begin as a religion, but a sophisticated government project, a kind of propaganda exercise used to pacify the subjects of the Roman Empire. "Jewish sects in Palestine at the time, who were waiting for a prophesied warrior Messiah, were a constant source of violent insurrection during the first century," he explains. "When the Romans had exhausted conventional means of quashing rebellion, they switched to psychological warfare. They surmised that the way to stop the spread of zealous Jewish missionary activity was to create a competing belief system. That's when the 'peaceful' Messiah story was invented. Instead of inspiring warfare, this Messiah urged turn-the-other-cheek pacifism and encouraged Jews to 'give onto Caesar' and pay their taxes to Rome."

Was Jesus based on a real person from history? "The short answer is no," Atwill insists, "in fact he may be the only fictional character in literature whose entire life story can be traced to other sources. Once those sources are all laid bare, there's simply nothing left."

Atwill's most intriguing discovery came to him while he was studying "Wars of the Jews" by Josephus [the only surviving first-person historical account of first-century Judea] alongside the New Testament. "I started to notice a sequence of parallels between the two texts," he recounts. "Although it's been recognised by Christian scholars for centuries that the prophesies of Jesus appear to be fulfilled by what Josephus wrote about in the First Jewish-Roman war, I was seeing dozens more. What seems to have eluded many scholars is that the sequence of events and locations of Jesus ministry are more or less the same as the sequence of events and locations of the military campaign of [Emperor] Titus Flavius as described by Josephus. This is clear evidence of a deliberately constructed pattern. The biography of Jesus is actually constructed, tip to stern, on prior stories, but especially on the biography of a Roman Caesar."

How could this go unnoticed in the most scrutinised books of all time? "Many of the parallels are conceptual or poetic, so they aren't all immediately obvious. After all, the authors did not want the average believer to see what they were doing, but they did want the alert reader to see it. An educated Roman in the ruling class would probably have recognised the literary game being played." Atwill maintains he can demonstrate that "the Roman Caesars left us a kind of puzzle literature that was meant to be solved by future generations, and the solution to that puzzle is 'We invented Jesus Christ, and we're proud of it.'"

Is this the beginning of the end of Christianity? "Probably not," grants Atwill, "but what my work has done is give permission to many of those ready to leave the religion to make a clean break. We've got the evidence now to show exactly where the story of Jesus came from. Although Christianity can be a comfort to some, it can also be very damaging and repressive, an insidious form of mind control that has led to blind acceptance of serfdom, poverty, and war throughout history. To this day, especially in the United States, it is used to create support for war in the Middle East."

Atwill encourages skeptics to challenge him at Conway Hall, where after the presentations there is likely to be a lively Q&A session. Joining Mr.Atwill will be fellow scholar Kenneth Humphreys, author of the book "Jesus Never Existed."

Further information can be found at http://www.covertmessiah.com.

About Joseph Atwill: Joseph Atwill is the author of the best-selling book "Caesar's Messiah" and its upcoming sequel "The Single Strand."

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paganbaby
by Teflon Don on Oct. 8, 2013 at 10:11 PM

Bump!

rfhsure
by Silver Member on Oct. 8, 2013 at 10:13 PM
Interesting!
mehamil1
by Platinum Member on Oct. 8, 2013 at 10:16 PM
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It's a fascinating possibility. 

Quoting rfhsure:
Interesting


momtoscott
by Platinum Member on Oct. 8, 2013 at 10:46 PM
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I'm sure Dan Brown will be fascinated and build a whole new franchise on the concept.  This seems about Brown's speed (slow).  

It's reminiscent of the theories about how Shakespeare couldn't have written his plays because he wasn't born into the noble class.   I don't buy it, but it will be interesting to see the reactions.  

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10 minutes ago
by Silver Member on Oct. 8, 2013 at 10:56 PM

I really find this concept fascinating.

mehamil1
by Platinum Member on Oct. 9, 2013 at 12:05 AM
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Yeah that Shakespeare thing was stupid. Cause genius's can't be born to peasants. Ha! 

I am by no means an expert but I don't think this is the work of the Romans. 

Quoting momtoscott:

I'm sure Dan Brown will be fascinated and build a whole new franchise on the concept.  This seems about Brown's speed (slow).  

It's reminiscent of the theories about how Shakespeare couldn't have written his plays because he wasn't born into the noble class.   I don't buy it, but it will be interesting to see the reactions.  

Goodwoman614
by Satan on Oct. 9, 2013 at 12:28 AM
Lol
LeilaBeansMom
by Member on Oct. 9, 2013 at 12:54 AM
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This is really fascinating! I would love to see more research on this. I always thought along the lines that Jesus wasn't real. I always thought he was based on some normal guy wandering around doing good deeds and preaching love and acceptance. But the idea of him being completely fabricated as a political strategy is wild!
mehamil1
by Platinum Member on Oct. 9, 2013 at 1:03 AM

I honestly don't know if he was real. There's very little evidence to support his actual existence. But then at that point in time traveling speakers bitching about the empire were all over the place. Also, it is true that his teachings are drawn on some ancient wisdom. 

One thing that makes me wonder about his story is the Roman history of Pontius Pilot (I know I spelled that wrong). The Romans had him pegged as a butcher, even by their standards. And they had some pretty shitty standards. So the whole benevolent guy who didn't really want to kill Jesus doesn't match with the Roman account. They had him removed for being an asshole. Do you know what one had to do to be removed by the Romans for being too harsh? That's some sociopathic shit right there. 

Qoting LeilaBeansMom:
This is really fascinating! I would love to see more research on this. I always thought along the lines that Jesus wasn't real. I always thought he was based on some normal guy wandering around doing good deeds and preaching love and acceptance. But the idea of him being completely fabricated as a political strategy is wild!
Momniscient
by Ruby Member on Oct. 9, 2013 at 1:08 AM
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Interesting.

One of my completely fictional favorite books is 'Another Roadside Attraction' that postulates the what if of finding Jesus' body in the Vatican. It's an interesting idea...
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