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Obama rules out short-term debt ceiling hike

By Brendan Sasso - 10/12/13 06:17 AM ET
    

President Obama signaled Saturday that he wouldn't accept the Republicans' offer for a short-term increase in the nation's debt limit.

"It wouldn't be wise, as some suggest, to just kick the debt ceiling can down the road for a couple months, and flirt with a first-ever intentional default right in the middle of the holiday shopping season," Obama said in his weekly address.

"Because damage to America's sterling credit rating wouldn't just cause global markets to go haywire; it would become more expensive for everyone in America to borrow money. Students paying for college. Newlyweds buying a home," he said.

House Republicans have offered a six-week increase in the debt limit. If adopted, the plan will buy time for broader negotiations over entitlement spending and taxes, they say.

Obama claimed that the damage to interest rates from failing to pass a long-term debt ceiling hike would create a "Republican default tax" on families and businesses.

"Manufacturing crises to extract massive concessions isn't how our democracy works, and we have to stop it," Obama said. "Politics is a battle of ideas, but you advance those ideas through elections and legislation - not extortion."

The United States will hit the debt ceiling and begin defaulting on its bills on Thursday, according to the Treasury Department.

Read more: http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/328189-obama-pans-short-term-debt-ceiling-hike#ixzz2hVnRYHjh
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by on Oct. 12, 2013 at 8:58 AM
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pvtjokerus
by Platinum Member on Oct. 12, 2013 at 7:41 PM

 Guess you all were wrong on both.......


Quoting Sisteract:


Quoting conweis:

I keep scratching my head over why people voted him back into office

Afraid to go third party and the other guy was seen as worse-


 

Sisteract
by Whoopie on Oct. 12, 2013 at 7:59 PM

How so? Prove it-

You can not.

What ifs can not be proven.

Quoting pvtjokerus:

 Guess you all were wrong on both.......


Quoting Sisteract:


Quoting conweis:

I keep scratching my head over why people voted him back into office

Afraid to go third party and the other guy was seen as worse-




Della529
by Matlock on Oct. 12, 2013 at 8:04 PM
Do a bit of checking into the history of the so-called "debt ceiling, Private JokesRUs.
Quoting pvtjokerus:

 Huh??  Care to explain your comment?


Quoting Della529:

 The idea of the debt ceiling is ridiculous and outdated.


 

pvtjokerus
by Platinum Member on Oct. 12, 2013 at 8:12 PM

I believed I asked YOU what YOU meant by the comment. But I guess if you are unsure then that answers my question about your knowledge of the DC.
Quoting Della529:

Do a bit of checking into the history of the so-called "debt ceiling, Private JokesRUs.
Quoting pvtjokerus:

 Huh??  Care to explain your comment?


Quoting Della529:

 The idea of the debt ceiling is ridiculous and outdated.


 


Friday
by HRH of MJ on Oct. 12, 2013 at 8:22 PM


Quoting pvtjokerus:

 So which Obama do you agree with?  The one that was in front of the camera talking to his constituents or the one behind close doors that just pulled the plug on something that he asked for?


Quoting Friday:


I agree with him. We have already kicked this can too many times. Congress and the WH need to get over themselves and work together to find a compromise. I've had it with all those losers.

LMAO at the indignation over Obama renigging after Reid & Boehner had a deal this summer and Boehner changed his mind. Obama and Boehner probably both got calls from their corporate masters to 'take a stand'.



I think both of them are full of shit. If he asked for a short term solution then it's pretty douchey to turn it down.

Like I said, seems like every time they think they have something, someone backs out and I'd bet their corp masters let them know the deal wasn't acceptable.

I would be fine with a deal that wiped out all the waivers Obama gave out for ACA. If it's so awesome, roll it out and let the chips fall. I don't think the constant putting things off for a few weeks, months, whatever is the way to go. It hasn't worked so well(sequester, anyone?) so enough. Especially with our retail season coming up.

I'm thinking of starting a FB campaign, 'Fire em all' and try to get everyone to boot all the incumbents. They won't vote for term limits so we need to remind them that we are the boss and can send them packing. Problem is, most people think their rep is fine but all those other guys are the problem. I don't know how to change that but I have voted against the incumbent in the last election or two and would sacrifice the senator I like to get rid of the one I don't like and my dumbass congressman.

 


Thank God......it's Friday!!!

pvtjokerus
by Platinum Member on Oct. 12, 2013 at 9:56 PM
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 I agree 100% with the "throw them all out" campaign.  However, then we have a problem on the types to put back into office.  We all do not agree on who should be in office.  We need term limits....that would help.

Spending has to be cut.  There is no way out of that.  And there is no way that Obama and associates are going to cut back spending.  Right now, he and Reid are holding all of America hostage.  They will not cut any spending even though Obama said he may consider it but then denied the latest proposal. He will not change his Obamacare program even though we all know it is not the best plan. Now he is trying to stop and renege on the sequester cuts that were agreed upon during the last financial crisis.  Until we get rid of the welfare state, these type of individuals will continue to be in power.


Quoting Friday:


Quoting pvtjokerus:

 So which Obama do you agree with?  The one that was in front of the camera talking to his constituents or the one behind close doors that just pulled the plug on something that he asked for?

 

Quoting Friday:

 

I agree with him. We have already kicked this can too many times. Congress and the WH need to get over themselves and work together to find a compromise. I've had it with all those losers.

LMAO at the indignation over Obama renigging after Reid & Boehner had a deal this summer and Boehner changed his mind. Obama and Boehner probably both got calls from their corporate masters to 'take a stand'.

 

 

I think both of them are full of shit. If he asked for a short term solution then it's pretty douchey to turn it down.

Like I said, seems like every time they think they have something, someone backs out and I'd bet their corp masters let them know the deal wasn't acceptable.

I would be fine with a deal that wiped out all the waivers Obama gave out for ACA. If it's so awesome, roll it out and let the chips fall. I don't think the constant putting things off for a few weeks, months, whatever is the way to go. It hasn't worked so well(sequester, anyone?) so enough. Especially with our retail season coming up.

I'm thinking of starting a FB campaign, 'Fire em all' and try to get everyone to boot all the incumbents. They won't vote for term limits so we need to remind them that we are the boss and can send them packing. Problem is, most people think their rep is fine but all those other guys are the problem. I don't know how to change that but I have voted against the incumbent in the last election or two and would sacrifice the senator I like to get rid of the one I don't like and my dumbass congressman.


 

DSamuels
by Gold Member on Oct. 12, 2013 at 10:05 PM
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How do you negotiate with someone who first says "I will NOT negotiate with you" then says okay, do this and I'll sign it. When they do it he then says nope, not good enough, now you need to do this. That's not negotiating, that's dictating. He's been doing this to the republicans since the took over the house and then blaming them.

This is getting so old. SIGH


Quoting PrimmednPunked:

I don't know.  Obama's unwillingness to negotiate is really starting to tick me off.  However I agree with him that it isn't smart to just keep kicking the can down the road.  Everyone in government need their feet held to the coals on this shutdown and that is by using the debt ceiling.  

But this is worriesome to me because I don't see Congress coming to an agreement any time soon.  I don't want us to default.  So I am thinking that Obama needs to listen to the Republicans on this.  They need to talk, negotiate and move from there.  Obama needs to give Republicans a timeline on when a full budget is made that the Senate can agree with.  He also needs to give on the ACA and work with Republicans on a better health care plan for this nation.  

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jaxTheMomm
by Platinum Member on Oct. 12, 2013 at 10:12 PM

I'm not talking about anything, I'm posting quoting news sources with a plausible explanation as for what's going on..  If you are "talking about" something that has a different viewpoint and have plausible sources, I suggest you post them, as I am doing, so we can all consider it and discuss it.

Sources.  Not rhetoric.

Quoting pvtjokerus:


The Repubs asked for 6 weeks financing of the debt ceiling while Obama only asked for 3 weeks on national TV....so I am not sure what you are talking about......
Quoting jaxTheMomm:

This is the negotiation.  I don't like a short-term fix either, that's no solution.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/10/12/us-usa-fiscal-idUSBRE98N11220131012

(Reuters) - President Barack Obama pressured Republican lawmakers on Saturday to agree to raise the U.S. debt ceiling for longer than they would prefer, as their fiscal impasse dragged into the weekend with five days left to find a deal.

The budget battle between Obama and Republicans who control the House of Representatives has idled hundreds of thousands of government workers hit by a 12-day government shutdown and put the United States at risk of a historic debt default, possibly by next Thursday, unless the borrowing limit is raised.

With the potential of an economic calamity looming, Obama and his Republican opponents are trying to agree on how long to extend the debt ceiling, with Republicans wanting to limit the extension to six weeks to try force more concessions out of the president.

Obama made clear in his weekly address Saturday that he wants a longer debt ceiling extension to get the U.S. economy through the holiday shopping season without a convulsive shock. Republicans want a commitment to broader deficit-reduction talks from the White House.

"It wouldn't be wise, as some suggest, to kick the debt ceiling can down the road for a couple of months, and flirt with a first-ever intentional default right in the middle of the holiday shopping season," Obama said.

While Obama's talks with House Republicans on Thursday and Senate Republicans on Friday were seen as a constructive sign of progress, there appears to be still a ways to go and many details to iron out before a deal can be clinched.

North Dakota Republican Senator John Hoeven said there are enough ideas being discussed to get to an agreement, but the key now is finding the right combination of them that can pass both the House and Democratic-controlled Senate.

"I do think it's going to take a few days here to get that right combination, but I'm hopeful we'll get a deal," Hoeven told Reuters.

He said Republicans are willing to lift the debt ceiling and end the shutdown but want to make sure that government spending is cut - something they have been trying to negotiate with the White House for months without success.

"I want to see the government get opened and I want to see a debt-ceiling solution. But we've got to use this time as well to find some savings and reforms, and we are talking about what savings and reforms we can get people to agree to," he said.

Republicans have been knocked on their heels by polls showing Americans largely blame them for triggering the crisis, a political dynamic that has strengthened Obama's hand. The president has been unyielding in his insistence that he will not negotiate over the debt ceiling.

Obama told Americans that his Republican opponents are manufacturing a crisis that has the potential for damaging the U.S. credit rating and causing global markets to go haywire.

"Our government is closed for the first time in 17 years. A political party is risking default for the first time since the 1700s. This is not normal. That's why we have to put a stop to it," he said.

House Republicans will meet at the Capitol on Saturday morning to discuss their options after sending the White House a proposal that included the short-term increase in the debt limit that would clear the way for re-opening the government.

The House Republican proposal called for cuts in entitlement programs like the Medicare health plan for seniors to replace two years of the automatic spending cuts known as "sequestration" agreed to last year by Congress, senior congressional aides said.

California Republican Representative Buck McKeon, chairman of the House Armed Services Committee, said in the Republican weekly address that his party is standing on some important principles.

"It's about stemming the tide of debt and deficits that threatens to wash out an entire generation's opportunities," he said.




DSamuels
by Gold Member on Oct. 12, 2013 at 10:15 PM
From CNN:

Washington (CNN) -- President Barack Obama is ready to talk even on Republicans' terms, he insisted Tuesday, so long as Congress acts first to end the government shutdown and raise the debt ceiling -- even for a short period.
At a news conference, Obama indicated Republicans could essentially set the agenda for budget negotiations, but only if Congress agrees first to a short-term spending plan to fund the government and to raise the federal borrowing limit to avoid a possible first-ever U.S. default next week.
"I will talk about anything," the president said.

http://www.cnn.com/2013/10/08/politics/shutdown-showdown/index.html


Quoting Friday:


Quoting pvtjokerus:

 So which Obama do you agree with?  The one that was in front of the camera talking to his constituents or the one behind close doors that just pulled the plug on something that he asked for?




Quoting Friday:




I agree with him. We have already kicked this can too many times. Congress and the WH need to get over themselves and work together to find a compromise. I've had it with all those losers.


LMAO at the indignation over Obama renigging after Reid & Boehner had a deal this summer and Boehner changed his mind. Obama and Boehner probably both got calls from their corporate masters to 'take a stand'.





I think both of them are full of shit. If he asked for a short term solution then it's pretty douchey to turn it down.

Like I said, seems like every time they think they have something, someone backs out and I'd bet their corp masters let them know the deal wasn't acceptable.

I would be fine with a deal that wiped out all the waivers Obama gave out for ACA. If it's so awesome, roll it out and let the chips fall. I don't think the constant putting things off for a few weeks, months, whatever is the way to go. It hasn't worked so well(sequester, anyone?) so enough. Especially with our retail season coming up.

I'm thinking of starting a FB campaign, 'Fire em all' and try to get everyone to boot all the incumbents. They won't vote for term limits so we need to remind them that we are the boss and can send them packing. Problem is, most people think their rep is fine but all those other guys are the problem. I don't know how to change that but I have voted against the incumbent in the last election or two and would sacrifice the senator I like to get rid of the one I don't like and my dumbass congressman.

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pvtjokerus
by Platinum Member on Oct. 12, 2013 at 10:15 PM
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 I suggest you read the Wall Street Journal............And sorry, if you didn't listen to Obama live then I guess you missed his proposition. But hey.....DSamuels just posted what CNN is reporting.....take a look there too!


Quoting jaxTheMomm:

I'm not talking about anything, I'm posting quoting news sources with a plausible explanation as for what's going on..  If you are "talking about" something that has a different viewpoint and have plausible sources, I suggest you post them, as I am doing, so we can all consider it and discuss it.

Sources.  Not rhetoric.

Quoting pvtjokerus:


The Repubs asked for 6 weeks financing of the debt ceiling while Obama only asked for 3 weeks on national TV....so I am not sure what you are talking about......
Quoting jaxTheMomm:

This is the negotiation.  I don't like a short-term fix either, that's no solution.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/10/12/us-usa-fiscal-idUSBRE98N11220131012

(Reuters) - President Barack Obama pressured Republican lawmakers on Saturday to agree to raise the U.S. debt ceiling for longer than they would prefer, as their fiscal impasse dragged into the weekend with five days left to find a deal.

The budget battle between Obama and Republicans who control the House of Representatives has idled hundreds of thousands of government workers hit by a 12-day government shutdown and put the United States at risk of a historic debt default, possibly by next Thursday, unless the borrowing limit is raised.

With the potential of an economic calamity looming, Obama and his Republican opponents are trying to agree on how long to extend the debt ceiling, with Republicans wanting to limit the extension to six weeks to try force more concessions out of the president.

Obama made clear in his weekly address Saturday that he wants a longer debt ceiling extension to get the U.S. economy through the holiday shopping season without a convulsive shock. Republicans want a commitment to broader deficit-reduction talks from the White House.

"It wouldn't be wise, as some suggest, to kick the debt ceiling can down the road for a couple of months, and flirt with a first-ever intentional default right in the middle of the holiday shopping season," Obama said.

While Obama's talks with House Republicans on Thursday and Senate Republicans on Friday were seen as a constructive sign of progress, there appears to be still a ways to go and many details to iron out before a deal can be clinched.

North Dakota Republican Senator John Hoeven said there are enough ideas being discussed to get to an agreement, but the key now is finding the right combination of them that can pass both the House and Democratic-controlled Senate.

"I do think it's going to take a few days here to get that right combination, but I'm hopeful we'll get a deal," Hoeven told Reuters.

He said Republicans are willing to lift the debt ceiling and end the shutdown but want to make sure that government spending is cut - something they have been trying to negotiate with the White House for months without success.

"I want to see the government get opened and I want to see a debt-ceiling solution. But we've got to use this time as well to find some savings and reforms, and we are talking about what savings and reforms we can get people to agree to," he said.

Republicans have been knocked on their heels by polls showing Americans largely blame them for triggering the crisis, a political dynamic that has strengthened Obama's hand. The president has been unyielding in his insistence that he will not negotiate over the debt ceiling.

Obama told Americans that his Republican opponents are manufacturing a crisis that has the potential for damaging the U.S. credit rating and causing global markets to go haywire.

"Our government is closed for the first time in 17 years. A political party is risking default for the first time since the 1700s. This is not normal. That's why we have to put a stop to it," he said.

House Republicans will meet at the Capitol on Saturday morning to discuss their options after sending the White House a proposal that included the short-term increase in the debt limit that would clear the way for re-opening the government.

The House Republican proposal called for cuts in entitlement programs like the Medicare health plan for seniors to replace two years of the automatic spending cuts known as "sequestration" agreed to last year by Congress, senior congressional aides said.

California Republican Representative Buck McKeon, chairman of the House Armed Services Committee, said in the Republican weekly address that his party is standing on some important principles.

"It's about stemming the tide of debt and deficits that threatens to wash out an entire generation's opportunities," he said.


 

 


 

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