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Please read carefully before commenting: Mothers of large 'problem families' must stop having children, warns senior government adviser

Posted by on Oct. 12, 2013 at 10:37 PM
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Mothers of large 'problem families' must stop having children, warns senior government adviser



Outspoken: Families tsar Louise Carey has said that the government cannot afford to be too 'soft' on families

The government should ‘interfere’ to stop problem families having too many children, the families ‘tsar’ has said.

Louise Casey, whose study of 120,000 antisocial households was released this week, said the government must not be a ‘soft touch’ when it comes to telling women not to have any more children if they are struggling to cope.

Speaking to the Daily Telegraph, she said: ‘There are plenty of people who have large families and function incredibly well, and good luck to them, it must be lovely. The issue for me, out of the families that I have met, (is that) they are not functioning, lovely families.’

She added: ‘Yes, we have to help these families. But I also don’t think we should soft-touch those families. We are not running some cuddly social workers’ programme to wrap everybody in cotton wool.’

She said the state must tell mothers to take ‘responsibility’ and stop getting pregnant by different men.

‘The responsibility is as important as coming off drugs, coming off alcohol, getting a grip and getting the kids to school.’

Miss Casey said the government needed ‘toughness’ to make sure children were getting educated.

 

She said: ‘If every kid in the country who should be in school was there all day, every day, you would transform all sorts of problems.’

It was last summer's London riots that led to Prime Minister David Cameron setting up the family unit to combat these kind of problems within society.

Miss Casey, who was a former aide of Labour PM Tony Blair, was charged with heading up the new initiative, and a threat of taking back council houses, placing children into care and the prospect of prison were put to families.

Be careful: Miss Casey has called for some women to stop getting pregnant by different men

Be careful: Miss Casey has called for some women to stop getting pregnant by different men

An analysis of 16 of the worst families in the country worked out that they cost the state £200,000 each year.

Miss Casey's studies involved her getting right into the family situation; one instance saw her watch on as the courts took a woman's ninth child away from her.

The woman in question was a drug addict, and the chances are without proper help she would go on to become pregnant again.

And on another occasion, Miss Casey intervened when a parent, on hearing their child had been unruly at school, called them a 'nightmare': Miss Casey responded by telling the parent that it was THEM who was the 'nightmare'.

The programme is though to cost £448 million pounds, and as oppose to aim to get children involved in a broad range of inter-mingling, it has focused on one of the basics - getting the child to school.

'I say, the biggest diversionary activity on God’s earth is called school. If every kid in the country who should be in school (was) there, all day, every day, you would transform all sorts of problems.'

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futureshock
by Ruby Member on Oct. 12, 2013 at 10:37 PM

bump

momoftwogirl55
by Member on Oct. 12, 2013 at 10:39 PM
Wow
DestinyHLewis
by Destiny on Oct. 12, 2013 at 10:41 PM
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I don't disagree with this statement. ‘The responsibility is as important as coming off drugs, coming off alcohol, getting a grip and getting the kids to school.’

However, they didn't define what a "problem family" is... 

JackandJayne
by on Oct. 12, 2013 at 10:44 PM

Well... I guess it's just a voice right? However it's a 'warning' which leads me to believe something will follow. Like an action. What action could they possibly take without infringing on personal liberty? Interesting, but spooky. 

turtle68
by Mahinaarangi on Oct. 12, 2013 at 10:48 PM

How else are you going to help them if not by educating them.  It starts by them not wanting kids because they cant afford them.  When you have an avenue to afford them, it certainly makes the notion of not having kids less of an issue.

Unless you are going to impose a regulation ...such as china has....My suggestion is to continue until someone says...no you cant.

Here parents of school aged kids are legally bound to have them attend school.  If they dont a good portion of funding and any bonus's are left out of their welfare payment.  If it continues the parents can and have been found guilty of neglect and do get their kids taken off them.

There are consequences.  

As a drug addict like in the OP.  If you are addicted when you give birth and your child is born withdrawing and or with special needs resulting from your addiction, those kids can be taken at birth, placed into foster care until the parent has reformed.

survivorinohio
by René on Oct. 12, 2013 at 10:53 PM


Quoting turtle68:

How else are you going to help them if not by educating them.  It starts by them not wanting kids because they cant afford them.  When you have an avenue to afford them, it certainly makes the notion of not having kids less of an issue.

Unless you are going to impose a regulation ...such as china has....My suggestion is to continue until someone says...no you cant.

Here parents of school aged kids are legally bound to have them attend school.  If they dont a good portion of funding and any bonus's are left out of their welfare payment.  If it continues the parents can and have been found guilty of neglect and do get their kids taken off them.

There are consequences.  

As a drug addict like in the OP.  If you are addicted when you give birth and your child is born withdrawing and or with special needs resulting from your addiction, those kids can be taken at birth, placed into foster care until the parent has reformed.

Many of those mothers continue to procreate and their chldren continue to be in the system.  I know a girl here who has 5 and never had custody of the younger 4.

I have spoken on forced chemical sterilization like depo for these women. It really is a proble though I HATE giving one of these posts credence.

How far you go in life depends on your being: tender with the young, compassionate with the aged, sympathetic with the striving and tolerant of both the weak and strong.  Because someday in life you would have been one or all of these.  GeorgeWashingtonCarver


Mommy_of_Riley
by Jes on Oct. 12, 2013 at 11:12 PM
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Who gets to decide what a "problem family" is?

The government?

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turtle68
by Mahinaarangi on Oct. 12, 2013 at 11:13 PM
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Quoting survivorinohio:


Quoting turtle68:

How else are you going to help them if not by educating them.  It starts by them not wanting kids because they cant afford them.  When you have an avenue to afford them, it certainly makes the notion of not having kids less of an issue.

Unless you are going to impose a regulation ...such as china has....My suggestion is to continue until someone says...no you cant.

Here parents of school aged kids are legally bound to have them attend school.  If they dont a good portion of funding and any bonus's are left out of their welfare payment.  If it continues the parents can and have been found guilty of neglect and do get their kids taken off them.

There are consequences.  

As a drug addict like in the OP.  If you are addicted when you give birth and your child is born withdrawing and or with special needs resulting from your addiction, those kids can be taken at birth, placed into foster care until the parent has reformed.

Many of those mothers continue to procreate and their chldren continue to be in the system.  I know a girl here who has 5 and never had custody of the younger 4.

I have spoken on forced chemical sterilization like depo for these women. It really is a proble though I HATE giving one of these posts credence.

Yep I agree....you arent going to change them, the best you can hope for is those children are given a different path.  If you are going to be in a circle of problems, from parent to child then the government does need to step in.  In my opinion they do by extracting those kids and placing them in a better enviroment.  It will still cost the government in foster care costs but hopefully it will stop the cycle and those kids wont go on to be a strain on the system.

Otherwise area restrictions do help break the cycle....especially rural relocation.

Rajeshsmom
by Member on Oct. 12, 2013 at 11:25 PM

Can't stop people from having kids.. Unfortunately, that's a basic righ in America. Even though some people shouldn't have kids. 

But education can help break the cycle. More education. More productive members of society. Most of the time anyway...

AlekD
by Gold Member on Oct. 12, 2013 at 11:27 PM
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Ahhhh....good old eugenics.
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