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Women are unfit for political office...according to scripture..agree?

Posted by on Oct. 16, 2013 at 1:20 PM
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Modern views

Some 19th-century Christian authors began codifying challenges to traditional views toward women both in the church and in society. Only since the 1970s have more diverse views become formalized.

There are four main viewpoints in the modern debate. They are known respectively as Christian feminism, Christian Egalitarianism, Complementarianism, and Biblical patriarchy.

 

 

Some theologians believe that these biblical reports provide evidence of women leaders active in the earliest work of spreading the Christian message,[16][17] while others reject that understanding.[18] The evidence also indicates that these women "ministered" in supporting roles of the church much as the women who followed Christ supported his ministry.

However, there are also Bible verses from Paul's letters which support the idea that women are to have a different or submissive role to men:

  • "A woman should learn in quietness and full submission. I do not permit a woman to teach or to assume authority over a man; she must be quiet. For Adam was formed first, then Eve. And Adam was not the one deceived; it was the woman who was deceived and became a sinner. But women will be saved through childbearing—if they continue in faith, love and holiness with propriety."[1Tim. 2:11-15]
  • "Submit to one another out of reverence for Christ. Wives, submit yourselves to your own husbands as you do to the Lord. For the husband is the head of the wife as Christ is the head of the church, his body, of which he is the Savior. Now as the church submits to Christ, so also wives should submit to their husbands in everything. Husbands, love your wives, just as Christ loved the church and gave himself up for her to make her holy,"[Eph. 5:21-27]
  • "Every man who prays or prophesies with his head covered dishonors his head. But every woman who prays or prophesies with her head uncovered dishonors her head—it is the same as having her head shaved. For if a woman does not cover her head, she might as well have her hair cut off; but if it is a disgrace for a woman to have her hair cut off or her head shaved, then she should cover her head. A man ought not to cover his head, since he is the image and glory of God; but woman is the glory of man. For man did not come from woman, but woman from man; 9 neither was man created for woman, but woman for man. It is for this reason that a woman ought to have authority over her own head, because of the angels. Nevertheless, in the Lord woman is not independent of man, nor is man independent of woman. For as woman came from man, so also man is born of woman. But everything comes from God."

Christian feminism

Main article: Christian Feminism

Christian Feminists take an actively feminist position from a Christian perspective. Recent generations have experienced the rise of what has been labeled by some as "Christian feminism" —a movement that has had a profound impact on all of life, challenging some traditional basic Christian interpretations of Scripture with respect to roles for women.

However, Christian feminism represents the views of the more theologically liberal end of the spectrum within Christianity. In contrast to the more socially conservative Christian egalitarians, Christian feminists tend to support homosexual rights and a pro-choice stance on abortion. The Evangelical and Ecumenical Women’s Caucus, a major international Christian feminist organization, values "inclusive images and language for God."

 

Because men are so awesome at it.....

Snopes debunked this quote HOWEVER it's the position of many religions..so we'll leave it to piss off the idiots

 

 

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SuzCahn
by Bronze Member on Oct. 16, 2013 at 1:23 PM
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 Actually that isn't scriptural. God put women in high offices or positions in the Bible.

D.O.E.
by on Oct. 16, 2013 at 1:33 PM
I think men are the ones who are unfit
hockytwndhampyr
by on Oct. 16, 2013 at 1:42 PM
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I was just about to say the same thing. Deborah from Judges 4:4 to 5:31 is the first that comes to mind. She judged Isreal back in the days before they had a king.

Quoting SuzCahn:

 Actually that isn't scriptural. God put women in high offices or positions in the Bible.

stormcris
by Christy on Oct. 16, 2013 at 1:46 PM

The twists and turns of wording to suit a purpose.

tanyainmizzou
by on Oct. 16, 2013 at 1:50 PM
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Gullible people



Did Cardinal Jorge Mario Bergoglio, now Pope Francis, really once say this?

"Women are naturally unfit for political office. Both the natural order and facts show us that the political being par excellence is male; the Scripture shows us that woman has always been the helper of man who thinks and does, but nothing more."

 

Origins:   This quote about Cardinal Jorge Mario Bergoglio's stating that "Women are naturally unfit for political office" was circulated in the immediate aftermath of his selection as pope in March 2013 and was supposedly voiced by him in 2007 in reference to Cristina Fernández de Kirchner's successful candidacy for the presidency of Argentina that year. However, no documentation or reference for this quote antedating March 2013 has been found other than a single source of dubious veracity, as noted in an article denouncing the statement as an "urban legend" on Foros Perú:
I'm an acid critic of the Catholic Church, but I alway try to maintain objectivity.

So I searched for a reliable source for the quote attributed to the new Pope Francis I, supposedly made when he was Archbishop of Buenos Aires.

But apparently it is just a malicious invention.

Jorge Mario Bergoglio has not yet served his first 24 hours as pope and the far left is already using the dirty propaganda tactic of lying, attributing to him a specific false statement supposedly made when he was archbishop of Buenos Aires in 2007, even though there was no trace of the quote on the Internet prior to yesterday.

These false statements about Monsignor Bergoglio saying that "women are naturally unfit for political office" were posted on Yahoo Answers by an Argentinean using the handle "Bumper Crop." This user posted what seemed to be an official report from the Argentinean news agency Telam but included no source link.

A thorough Google search shows that before March 13, 2013, there was no other trace of such a statement on the Internet, except in the Yahoo Answers forum. If the Argentinean media had published an official report from the Telam news agency documenting the openly misogynistic statement of an archbishop, leftist Argentine media, forums, blogs, etc., Would have echoed it and prompted a scandal. But there is no documentation for the alleged statement, no sign of it before the hoax began spreading widely yesterday. In fact, the website of the Telam news agency includes no evidence of such statements.

Despite the lack of evidence, a Mexican atheist organization spread these false statements on Facebook last night, reaching 18,000 followers in 13 hours and achieving nearly 11,000 shares. The dissemination of this hoax was furthered today when the Costa Rican daily newspaper El Pais published the hoax quotation without documentation, skipping the most basic of journalistic ethics and saying only that it was "a wire report from the Argentinean state news agency, Telam," which had been circulated on the Internet.

Read more at http://www.snopes.com/politics/quotes/francis.asp#e0rR2KFXPEAERiUD.99
DSamuels
by Gold Member on Oct. 16, 2013 at 1:54 PM

So SAK posted something that isn't true and easily disputed? Really? Who would have thought she'd post some ignorant lies.

Quoting tanyainmizzou:

Gullible people



Did Cardinal Jorge Mario Bergoglio, now Pope Francis, really once say this?

"Women are naturally unfit for political office. Both the natural order and facts show us that the political being par excellence is male; the Scripture shows us that woman has always been the helper of man who thinks and does, but nothing more."

 

Origins:   This quote about Cardinal Jorge Mario Bergoglio's stating that "Women are naturally unfit for political office" was circulated in the immediate aftermath of his selection as pope in March 2013 and was supposedly voiced by him in 2007 in reference to Cristina Fernández de Kirchner's successful candidacy for the presidency of Argentina that year. However, no documentation or reference for this quote antedating March 2013 has been found other than a single source of dubious veracity, as noted in an article denouncing the statement as an "urban legend" on Foros Perú:
I'm an acid critic of the Catholic Church, but I alway try to maintain objectivity.

So I searched for a reliable source for the quote attributed to the new Pope Francis I, supposedly made when he was Archbishop of Buenos Aires.

But apparently it is just a malicious invention.

Jorge Mario Bergoglio has not yet served his first 24 hours as pope and the far left is already using the dirty propaganda tactic of lying, attributing to him a specific false statement supposedly made when he was archbishop of Buenos Aires in 2007, even though there was no trace of the quote on the Internet prior to yesterday.

These false statements about Monsignor Bergoglio saying that "women are naturally unfit for political office" were posted on Yahoo Answers by an Argentinean using the handle "Bumper Crop." This user posted what seemed to be an official report from the Argentinean news agency Telam but included no source link.

A thorough Google search shows that before March 13, 2013, there was no other trace of such a statement on the Internet, except in the Yahoo Answers forum. If the Argentinean media had published an official report from the Telam news agency documenting the openly misogynistic statement of an archbishop, leftist Argentine media, forums, blogs, etc., Would have echoed it and prompted a scandal. But there is no documentation for the alleged statement, no sign of it before the hoax began spreading widely yesterday. In fact, the website of the Telam news agency includes no evidence of such statements.

Despite the lack of evidence, a Mexican atheist organization spread these false statements on Facebook last night, reaching 18,000 followers in 13 hours and achieving nearly 11,000 shares. The dissemination of this hoax was furthered today when the Costa Rican daily newspaper El Pais published the hoax quotation without documentation, skipping the most basic of journalistic ethics and saying only that it was "a wire report from the Argentinean state news agency, Telam," which had been circulated on the Internet.

Read more at http://www.snopes.com/politics/quotes/francis.asp#e0rR2KFXPEAERiUD.99


tanyainmizzou
by on Oct. 16, 2013 at 1:55 PM

No

We just don't get the humor in her posting it.  She was doing it to be funny.

Quoting DSamuels:

So SAK posted something that isn't true and easily disputed? Really? Who would have thought she'd post some ignorant lies.

Quoting tanyainmizzou:

Gullible people



Did Cardinal Jorge Mario Bergoglio, now Pope Francis, really once say this?

"Women are naturally unfit for political office. Both the natural order and facts show us that the political being par excellence is male; the Scripture shows us that woman has always been the helper of man who thinks and does, but nothing more."

 

Origins:   This quote about Cardinal Jorge Mario Bergoglio's stating that "Women are naturally unfit for political office" was circulated in the immediate aftermath of his selection as pope in March 2013 and was supposedly voiced by him in 2007 in reference to Cristina Fernández de Kirchner's successful candidacy for the presidency of Argentina that year. However, no documentation or reference for this quote antedating March 2013 has been found other than a single source of dubious veracity, as noted in an article denouncing the statement as an "urban legend" on Foros Perú:
I'm an acid critic of the Catholic Church, but I alway try to maintain objectivity.

So I searched for a reliable source for the quote attributed to the new Pope Francis I, supposedly made when he was Archbishop of Buenos Aires.

But apparently it is just a malicious invention.

Jorge Mario Bergoglio has not yet served his first 24 hours as pope and the far left is already using the dirty propaganda tactic of lying, attributing to him a specific false statement supposedly made when he was archbishop of Buenos Aires in 2007, even though there was no trace of the quote on the Internet prior to yesterday.

These false statements about Monsignor Bergoglio saying that "women are naturally unfit for political office" were posted on Yahoo Answers by an Argentinean using the handle "Bumper Crop." This user posted what seemed to be an official report from the Argentinean news agency Telam but included no source link.

A thorough Google search shows that before March 13, 2013, there was no other trace of such a statement on the Internet, except in the Yahoo Answers forum. If the Argentinean media had published an official report from the Telam news agency documenting the openly misogynistic statement of an archbishop, leftist Argentine media, forums, blogs, etc., Would have echoed it and prompted a scandal. But there is no documentation for the alleged statement, no sign of it before the hoax began spreading widely yesterday. In fact, the website of the Telam news agency includes no evidence of such statements.

Despite the lack of evidence, a Mexican atheist organization spread these false statements on Facebook last night, reaching 18,000 followers in 13 hours and achieving nearly 11,000 shares. The dissemination of this hoax was furthered today when the Costa Rican daily newspaper El Pais published the hoax quotation without documentation, skipping the most basic of journalistic ethics and saying only that it was "a wire report from the Argentinean state news agency, Telam," which had been circulated on the Internet.

Read more at http://www.snopes.com/politics/quotes/francis.asp#e0rR2KFXPEAERiUD.99



DSamuels
by Gold Member on Oct. 16, 2013 at 1:57 PM
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*nods solemnly* of course that was her reason. Yep.

eye rolling

Quoting tanyainmizzou:

No

We just don't get the humor in her posting it.  She was doing it to be funny.

Quoting DSamuels:

So SAK posted something that isn't true and easily disputed? Really? Who would have thought she'd post some ignorant lies.

Quoting tanyainmizzou:

Gullible people



Did Cardinal Jorge Mario Bergoglio, now Pope Francis, really once say this?

"Women are naturally unfit for political office. Both the natural order and facts show us that the political being par excellence is male; the Scripture shows us that woman has always been the helper of man who thinks and does, but nothing more."

 

Origins:   This quote about Cardinal Jorge Mario Bergoglio's stating that "Women are naturally unfit for political office" was circulated in the immediate aftermath of his selection as pope in March 2013 and was supposedly voiced by him in 2007 in reference to Cristina Fernández de Kirchner's successful candidacy for the presidency of Argentina that year. However, no documentation or reference for this quote antedating March 2013 has been found other than a single source of dubious veracity, as noted in an article denouncing the statement as an "urban legend" on Foros Perú:
I'm an acid critic of the Catholic Church, but I alway try to maintain objectivity.

So I searched for a reliable source for the quote attributed to the new Pope Francis I, supposedly made when he was Archbishop of Buenos Aires.

But apparently it is just a malicious invention.

Jorge Mario Bergoglio has not yet served his first 24 hours as pope and the far left is already using the dirty propaganda tactic of lying, attributing to him a specific false statement supposedly made when he was archbishop of Buenos Aires in 2007, even though there was no trace of the quote on the Internet prior to yesterday.

These false statements about Monsignor Bergoglio saying that "women are naturally unfit for political office" were posted on Yahoo Answers by an Argentinean using the handle "Bumper Crop." This user posted what seemed to be an official report from the Argentinean news agency Telam but included no source link.

A thorough Google search shows that before March 13, 2013, there was no other trace of such a statement on the Internet, except in the Yahoo Answers forum. If the Argentinean media had published an official report from the Telam news agency documenting the openly misogynistic statement of an archbishop, leftist Argentine media, forums, blogs, etc., Would have echoed it and prompted a scandal. But there is no documentation for the alleged statement, no sign of it before the hoax began spreading widely yesterday. In fact, the website of the Telam news agency includes no evidence of such statements.

Despite the lack of evidence, a Mexican atheist organization spread these false statements on Facebook last night, reaching 18,000 followers in 13 hours and achieving nearly 11,000 shares. The dissemination of this hoax was furthered today when the Costa Rican daily newspaper El Pais published the hoax quotation without documentation, skipping the most basic of journalistic ethics and saying only that it was "a wire report from the Argentinean state news agency, Telam," which had been circulated on the Internet.

Read more at http://www.snopes.com/politics/quotes/francis.asp#e0rR2KFXPEAERiUD.99




12hellokitty
by Platinum Member on Oct. 16, 2013 at 1:57 PM
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POPE FRANCIS A MISOGYNIST?

Here is the latest Urban Legend making its way through the internet like wildfire and being attributed to Pope Francis in 2007 when Cristina Kirchner was running for President of Argentina. The quote is:

Buenos Aires, 4 de junio (Télam) - El arzobispo de Buenos Aires, cardenal Jorge Bergoglio, afirmó que “las mujeres son naturalmente ineptas para ejercer cargos políticos”, refiriéndose a la candidatura presidencial de la Senadora Cristina Fernández de Kirchner. “El orden natural y los hechos nos enseñan que el hombre es el ser político por excelencia; las Escrituras nos demuestran que la mujer siempre es el apoyo del hombre pensador y hacedor, pero nada más que eso”.

The quote above begins with: “Women are naturally inept to exercise political office..the order of nature and human activity teach us that a man is superior in the realm of politics…”

"Télam" is the "AP" or major press organization of Argentina. When people research all of the Télam articles of June 4, 2007, they come up empty for this quote. The reason is because the quote was invented out of thin air and posted in a "Yahoo Answers" by an Argentinian who went by the name "Bumper Crop" and who at the time did not cite a link because the entire phrase was posted to smear Cardinal Bergoglio and make him look like he was attacking Cristina Kirchner. 

In addition, the phrase completely contradicts Bergoglio known friendship and admiration for various Argentine women who have held political office and who were congratulated by him upon election.

A man who is usually very critical of the Catholic Church, but honest about Urban Legends, has published a very good exposé of this fraud

http://www.forosperu.net/showthread.php?t=441037

sweet-a-kins
by Emerald Member on Oct. 16, 2013 at 2:01 PM

 

Women are unfit for political office...according to scripture..agree?

 

it says according to scripture, agree?

Do you know what a question mark is?

Several women identifying themselves as Christians on this board have said that women are unfit and should NOT be in leadership positions....based on their faith...

Quoting tanyainmizzou:

No

We just don't get the humor in her posting it.  She was doing it to be funny.

Quoting DSamuels:

So SAK posted something that isn't true and easily disputed? Really? Who would have thought she'd post some ignorant lies.

 

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