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The Republican Civil War: "I've been speaking out against Ted Cruz and his whole crazy movement since it started."

Posted by on Oct. 19, 2013 at 9:22 AM
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Republican Civil War Over Shutdown Drama

PHOTO: Tea Party Sen. Ted Cruz, R-Texas, speaks at a rally at the World War II Memorial in Washington on Oct. 13, 2013.

Not a single Republican senator or congressman voted for the Affordable Care Act, but the standoff over the government shutdown may have done the one thing that seemed impossible a few months ago: divided the Republican party over Obamacare.

It's no secret that several high-profile Republicans in Washington are angry with their colleagues for pushing them into a corner on a strategy that left them with a brunt of the blame for shutting the government down in an effort to defund Obamacare.

But the anger flows both ways. The uber-conservative base of the Republican Party, and the groups that support them, view the deal brokered between Senate Republicans and Democrats to re-open the government as nothing short of surrender.

PHOTO: Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell, R-Ky., and Sen. Ted Cruz, R-Texas, Oct. 16, 2013, in Washington.
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Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell, R-Ky., and Sen. Ted Cruz, R-Texas, have butted heads over the failed attempt to defund Obamacare.

"I will say that the reason this deal, the lousy deal, was reached last night is because, unfortunately, Senate Republicans made the choice not to support House Republicans," said Sen. Ted Cruz, who has alienated some of his colleagues as the standard bearer of the anti-Obamacare strategy. "I wish Senate Republicans had united, I tried to do everything I could to urge Senate Republicans to come together and stand with House Republicans."

The tension between these two factions in the GOP has already started to play out in 2014 races. But there is real risk that friendly fire among Republicans could endanger the party's chances of retaking the Senate and holding onto the House, some Republicans fear.

"Senate Republicans have effectively given away five seats the last two cycles because of bad general election nominees, most of which were aided by these groups," said Brian Walsh, a GOP strategist and former communications director at the National Republican Senatorial Committee. "These groups are successful at two things -- raising money for themselves and electing Democrats."

"I've been speaking out against Ted Cruz and his whole crazy movement since it started."

On Thursday, just hours after the government re-opened its doors, fiscal conservative group Club for Growth joined two other conservative groups in endorsing a tea party candidate who could be pitted against incumbent Republican Sen. Thad Cochran of Mississippi, who has not yet announced that he would seek re-election.

It just so happens that Cochran joined more than half of his caucus in supporting the compromise bill denounced by Cruz and opposed by conservative groups like Heritage Action, Club for Growth.

Cochran may ultimately not seek another term in the Senate, but by endorsing an alternative before he has made his decision, these groups are sending a clear message that they believe retirement may be in his best interest.

"It isn't surprising that there's friction between the big government establishment in both parties and the fiscal conservatives that are now serving the House and the Senate," said Barney Keller, communications director for Club for Growth. "We think it's critical that we change the status quo."

The strategy of Republicans undermining Republicans has infuriated some in the GOP.

Certain Republican senators and moderates in the House have accused Cruz and the outside groups who back him of what amounts to disloyalty by giving Democrats a winning hand.

"I've been speaking out against Ted Cruz and his whole crazy movement since it started," said outspoken Rep. Peter King, R-N.Y., this week on MSNBC. "I think that, first of all, right now there's no doubt the Democrats are winning."

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cjsbmom
by Lois Lane on Oct. 19, 2013 at 9:25 AM
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This has been a long time coming. I, for one, would like to see the more moderate members of the GOP start standing up for themselves and telling the Tea Party to take a fucking hike. The TP should not be allowed to call themselves Republicans. 

ReadWriteLuv
by Silver Member on Oct. 19, 2013 at 9:29 AM
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As an Independent, I would be more likely to swing my vote to a Republican if some of the more moderate members of that party would stand up and not constantly tow the party line. I prefer free-thinking candidates, not party drones that all spew the same crap as a show of solidarity. 

Quoting cjsbmom:

This has been a long time coming. I, for one, would like to see the more moderate members of the GOP start standing up for themselves and telling the Tea Party to take a fucking hike. The TP should not be allowed to call themselves Republicans. 


cjsbmom
by Lois Lane on Oct. 19, 2013 at 9:32 AM

So would I. 

Quoting ReadWriteLuv:

As an Independent, I would be more likely to swing my vote to a Republican if some of the more moderate members of that party would stand up and not constantly tow the party line. I prefer free-thinking candidates, not party drones that all spew the same crap as a show of solidarity. 

Quoting cjsbmom:

This has been a long time coming. I, for one, would like to see the more moderate members of the GOP start standing up for themselves and telling the Tea Party to take a fucking hike. The TP should not be allowed to call themselves Republicans. 



idunno1234
by Silver Member on Oct. 19, 2013 at 9:40 AM

 I agree with you.  But to be fair, that applies to both sides...the towing the party line crap.  Even beyond that, once in office, its towing the line of the campaign funders that bothers me. 

It amazes me that the tp (such apt initials) have been allowed to splinter the Republican party the way they have.  They obviously aren't doing that party any favors.  It seems to me that the Republican party has been used and abused, with no favor being done to the vast majority of party members.


Quoting ReadWriteLuv:

As an Independent, I would be more likely to swing my vote to a Republican if some of the more moderate members of that party would stand up and not constantly tow the party line. I prefer free-thinking candidates, not party drones that all spew the same crap as a show of solidarity. 

Quoting cjsbmom:

This has been a long time coming. I, for one, would like to see the more moderate members of the GOP start standing up for themselves and telling the Tea Party to take a fucking hike. The TP should not be allowed to call themselves Republicans. 



 

ReadWriteLuv
by Silver Member on Oct. 19, 2013 at 9:42 AM

I agree completely, I'm an equal opportunity party-hater. I hate the Feinstiens and Boxers of the world as much as I hate the Ted Cruzes. 

Quoting idunno1234:

 I agree with you.  But to be fair, that applies to both sides...the towing the party line crap.  Even beyond that, once in office, its towing the line of the campaign funders that bothers me. 

It amazes me that the tp (such apt initials) have been allowed to splinter the Republican party the way they have.  They obviously aren't doing that party any favors.  It seems to me that the Republican party has been used and abused, with no favor being done to the vast majority of party members.


Quoting ReadWriteLuv:

As an Independent, I would be more likely to swing my vote to a Republican if some of the more moderate members of that party would stand up and not constantly tow the party line. I prefer free-thinking candidates, not party drones that all spew the same crap as a show of solidarity. 

Quoting cjsbmom:

This has been a long time coming. I, for one, would like to see the more moderate members of the GOP start standing up for themselves and telling the Tea Party to take a fucking hike. The TP should not be allowed to call themselves Republicans. 





cjsbmom
by Lois Lane on Oct. 19, 2013 at 9:45 AM
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I dislike the tactics of both parties. I think when you have a two-party system like we do, it sets things up to be rife with abuse. We need to try a different system of government, because the one we have isn't working. 

Quoting idunno1234:

 I agree with you.  But to be fair, that applies to both sides...the towing the party line crap.  Even beyond that, once in office, its towing the line of the campaign funders that bothers me. 

It amazes me that the tp (such apt initials) have been allowed to splinter the Republican party the way they have.  They obviously aren't doing that party any favors.  It seems to me that the Republican party has been used and abused, with no favor being done to the vast majority of party members.


Quoting ReadWriteLuv:

As an Independent, I would be more likely to swing my vote to a Republican if some of the more moderate members of that party would stand up and not constantly tow the party line. I prefer free-thinking candidates, not party drones that all spew the same crap as a show of solidarity. 

Quoting cjsbmom:

This has been a long time coming. I, for one, would like to see the more moderate members of the GOP start standing up for themselves and telling the Tea Party to take a fucking hike. The TP should not be allowed to call themselves Republicans. 





numbr1wmn
by Silver Member on Oct. 19, 2013 at 9:48 AM

 

This I agree with

Quoting cjsbmom:

I dislike the tactics of both parties. I think when you have a two-party system like we do, it sets things up to be rife with abuse. We need to try a different system of government, because the one we have isn't working. 

Quoting idunno1234:

 I agree with you.  But to be fair, that applies to both sides...the towing the party line crap.  Even beyond that, once in office, its towing the line of the campaign funders that bothers me. 

It amazes me that the tp (such apt initials) have been allowed to splinter the Republican party the way they have.  They obviously aren't doing that party any favors.  It seems to me that the Republican party has been used and abused, with no favor being done to the vast majority of party members.

 

Quoting ReadWriteLuv:

As an Independent, I would be more likely to swing my vote to a Republican if some of the more moderate members of that party would stand up and not constantly tow the party line. I prefer free-thinking candidates, not party drones that all spew the same crap as a show of solidarity. 

Quoting cjsbmom:

This has been a long time coming. I, for one, would like to see the more moderate members of the GOP start standing up for themselves and telling the Tea Party to take a fucking hike. The TP should not be allowed to call themselves Republicans. 


 

 



 

tanyainmizzou
by on Oct. 19, 2013 at 9:48 AM
Ted Cruz did what he was supposed to do. He replaced a moderate Republican in the Senate by beating an even more moderate Republican in the primary and runoff.

This is what the people he has to answer to wanted from him.
cjsbmom
by Lois Lane on Oct. 19, 2013 at 9:52 AM
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Technically, this is true. But he doesn't just represent those people. He is a representative of everyone in his district. It would seem that some members of Congress forget that. Just because Joe Blow didn't vote for you doens't mean you also aren't responsible for representing Joe Blow. 

Quoting tanyainmizzou:

Ted Cruz did what he was supposed to do. He replaced a moderate Republican in the Senate by beating an even more moderate Republican in the primary and runoff.

This is what the people he has to answer to wanted from him.


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