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Air Force Academy May Drop 'So Help Me God' From Oath

Posted by on Oct. 24, 2013 at 10:03 PM
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Air Force Academy May Drop 'So Help Me God' From Oath

Matt FernerThe Huffington PostOct 24, 2013

The Air Force Academy in Colorado Springs, Colo. is considering whether or not they should drop the "so help me God" portion from its honor oath after Military Religious Freedom Foundation filed a complaint.

"To tie the honor code to a religious test violates the no-establishment clause of the Constitution," said MRFF founder Mikey Weinstein to The Colorado Springs Gazette.

Adopted in 1984 and unchanged since, the Honor Oath reads, via Air Force Academy's cadet handbook:

We will not lie, steal or cheat, nor tolerate among us anyone who does. Furthermore, I resolve to do my duty and to live honorably, so help me God.
Last week, the Colorado Springs Independent published a photograph of a poster which includes the cadet oath and the line "so help me god." The newspaper forwarded that photo to Weinstein who contacted Lt. Gen. Michelle Johnson about the poster who responded via email saying that the "Prep School poster has been taken down."

But the "so help me God" portion of the spoken oath remains.

Academy spokesman Maj. Brus Vidal told the Air Force Times that a committee met to discuss the oath's wording earlier this week, but a decision was not yet made on how or if the wording would be changed.

Executive director of the Chaplain Alliance for Religious Liberty Ron Crews told Fox News that, "Removing this voluntary affirmation expresses hostility toward religion." Adding, "Further, it removes the solemnity and gravity of the oath, particularly for the many cadets who come from a faith tradition."

Weinstein got into a heated exchange with Megyn Kelly on her Fox News show "The Kelly File" Wednesday evening explaining why the "so help me God" phrase's appearance in the oath is unconstitutional.

"Mikey, chill, chill," Kelly said and then let Weinstein continue. Watch the interview between Kelly and Weinstein above.

A decision is expected about the oath wording in the coming days.
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nixore
by Myk Elskling on Oct. 24, 2013 at 10:20 PM
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Good.  I hope they do.  If you believe in God, go ahead and have him help you, but there's no need to keep that sort of wording in an official military oath.

RandRMomma
by Maya on Oct. 24, 2013 at 10:23 PM
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I hope they rid of it.

Someone that I don't believe in isn't going to be helpful to me. Those that believe should say it if they want to. No one should be forced to say it because it's apart of their oath.
billsfan1104
by Jules on Oct. 24, 2013 at 10:44 PM
How did you guys get them to change your rank names?
billsfan1104
by Jules on Oct. 24, 2013 at 10:45 PM
Damn Sweet, 25k posts??? Lmao. I don't think I have ever saw a rank that high. I think you should have a party
lga1965
by on Oct. 24, 2013 at 10:45 PM

 It doesn't matter much to me, either way. I suppose the Conservative Christians will be up in arms and upset if they take "So Help Me God" away. Oh well.

 

StarburstKisses
by Bronze Member on Oct. 24, 2013 at 10:52 PM
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I'm actually one who believes it should stay.

FromAtoZ
by AllieCat on Oct. 24, 2013 at 11:07 PM
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Wow.

I was wondering when the oaths, in regards, to the military would be shaken up.  

If some one wishes to say it, they should be able to do so.  If some one does not, they should not be made to feel as if they have to in order for the 'oath' to be more profound, more meaningful, true.

sweet-a-kins
by Emerald Member on Oct. 24, 2013 at 11:09 PM
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 30, 297

Quoting billsfan1104:

Damn Sweet, 25k posts??? Lmao. I don't think I have ever saw a rank that high. I think you should have a party

 

sweet-a-kins
by Emerald Member on Oct. 24, 2013 at 11:11 PM

 http://www.cafemom.com/group/99198/forums/read/17920159/Would_you_like_your_1st_name_added_to_your_posts

Quoting billsfan1104:

How did you guys get them to change your rank names?

 

coolmommy2x
by Gold Member on Oct. 24, 2013 at 11:36 PM
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I agree with you.

Quoting FromAtoZ:

Wow.

I was wondering when the oaths, in regards, to the military would be shaken up.  

If some one wishes to say it, they should be able to do so.  If some one does not, they should not be made to feel as if they have to in order for the 'oath' to be more profound, more meaningful, true.

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