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Obama Health Lie Freaks Dems

Posted by on Nov. 8, 2013 at 9:37 AM
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Many of the president's supporters are in barely concealed panic over the fact that he didn't tell the truth when he was selling the Affordable Care Act.

In an oft-repeated vow, he told the country that "if you like your health care plan, you'll be able to keep your health care plan, period. No one will take it away, no matter what."

This was, by any common-sense measure, a lie. It was a lie because President Obama understood that one of the central aims of the Affordable Care Act was to squeeze out the individual insurance market (and the small business market), forcing those Americans on to the HealthCare.gov exchanges. You can't force people out of one insurance product and into another while simultaneously letting them keep their plan. That'd be like a car salesman promising a great price on a new vehicle if you trade in your old one, while still promising you can keep your old car.

This simple fact of logic is causing many liberals to flee for what they believe are rhetorical safe harbors.

The first refuge is that he was simply being "unclear." The "White House could have been clearer in laying the groundwork for this political argument," writes The Washington Post's Greg Sargent. House Minority Whip Steny Hoyer, D-Md., says, "I think we should have been more precise." The New York Times' Editorial Board says, "Obama clearly misspoke when he said that."

In most dictionaries, misspeaking is defined as a slip of the tongue. Is it really misspeaking when the president repeats a poll-tested pledge dozens of times, often reading from prepared remarks on his teleprompter, straight into the camera? Is it really a slip of the tongue when the White House puts out videos and talking points centered on this false claim?

Obama wasn't telling the truth unclearly; he was telling a falsehood very clearly. When he said "no matter what," it even left the impression that, if in some unforeseen way the law did cause people to lose their plan, he would remedy the situation. (If that were so, the White House would support congressional efforts to let people keep their plans.) The "period" in "you'll be able to keep your health care plan, period" means no ifs ands or buts. Now we are getting a barrage of "buts."

On Monday night the president grasped for a rhetorical do-over. "Now, if you had one of these plans before the Affordable Care Act came into law and you really liked that plan, what we said was you can keep it if it hasn't changed since the law passed." Except for the fact that's entirely untrue, it's pretty persuasive.

Many of the president's supporters are in barely concealed panic over the fact that he didn't tell the truth when he was selling the Affordable Care Act.

In an oft-repeated vow, he told the country that "if you like your health care plan, you'll be able to keep your health care plan, period. No one will take it away, no matter what."

This was, by any common-sense measure, a lie. It was a lie because President Obama understood that one of the central aims of the Affordable Care Act was to squeeze out the individual insurance market (and the small business market), forcing those Americans on to the HealthCare.gov exchanges. You can't force people out of one insurance product and into another while simultaneously letting them keep their plan. That'd be like a car salesman promising a great price on a new vehicle if you trade in your old one, while still promising you can keep your old car.

This simple fact of logic is causing many liberals to flee for what they believe are rhetorical safe harbors.

The first refuge is that he was simply being "unclear." The "White House could have been clearer in laying the groundwork for this political argument," writes The Washington Post's Greg Sargent. House Minority Whip Steny Hoyer, D-Md., says, "I think we should have been more precise." The New York Times' Editorial Board says, "Obama clearly misspoke when he said that."

In most dictionaries, misspeaking is defined as a slip of the tongue. Is it really misspeaking when the president repeats a poll-tested pledge dozens of times, often reading from prepared remarks on his teleprompter, straight into the camera? Is it really a slip of the tongue when the White House puts out videos and talking points centered on this false claim?

Obama wasn't telling the truth unclearly; he was telling a falsehood very clearly. When he said "no matter what," it even left the impression that, if in some unforeseen way the law did cause people to lose their plan, he would remedy the situation. (If that were so, the White House would support congressional efforts to let people keep their plans.) The "period" in "you'll be able to keep your health care plan, period" means no ifs ands or buts. Now we are getting a barrage of "buts."

On Monday night the president grasped for a rhetorical do-over. "Now, if you had one of these plans before the Affordable Care Act came into law and you really liked that plan, what we said was you can keep it if it hasn't changed since the law passed." Except for the fact that's entirely untrue, it's pretty persuasive.

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motherslove82
by Silver Member on Nov. 8, 2013 at 9:41 AM
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Obama lied and mislead people? Shocker. People are rushing to cover for him? Bigger shocker.

What about the "I will not raise taxes on anyone with an income under $200,000" lie?

sclowry
by New Member on Nov. 8, 2013 at 9:48 AM
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I knew he was a liar when he was running the first time....now people are finally waking up to the fact and if he does not become our first dictator and someone else actually gets in office I think America is beyond fixing.  Other countries are laughing at us...He's a joke.....I am ashamed to  be American for the first time in my life.

md3mom
by Member on Nov. 8, 2013 at 9:51 AM
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You're right. Obama should have let uneducated people keep their substandard health plans so that I can pay higher and higher prices as they flood the ER when they realize their plan that they love doesn't even cover the basics. Most of the people who have been quoted as complaining about the rise in their healthcare costs had no clue what their plan covered.
ReadWriteLuv
by Silver Member on Nov. 8, 2013 at 9:54 AM
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What truly, truly saddens me is that in three years, I'm still only going to have a Democrat and a Republican to choose from during election time. They both suck. 

candlegal
by Judy on Nov. 8, 2013 at 9:56 AM
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You forgot to mention his Benghazi lie, his Fast and furious lies, his, oh never mind, too many to mention.

Quoting motherslove82:

Obama lied and mislead people? Shocker. People are rushing to cover for him? Bigger shocker.

What about the "I will not raise taxes on anyone with an income under $200,000" lie?


Mommabearbergh
by on Nov. 8, 2013 at 9:57 AM
Seriously a person made you be ashamed of being a American. That is dumb regardless of who the heck is president is I will never be ashamed to be a American. America isn't the person in office its the people who live here. The people who fought and fight for their country. Yeah we have screwed issues but ashamed seriously. Btw other countries laugh at us regardless but their people come here for school and opportunities .

Quoting sclowry:

I knew he was a liar when he was running the first time....now people are finally waking up to the fact and if he does not become our first dictator and someone else actually gets in office I think America is beyond fixing.  Other countries are laughing at us...He's a joke.....I am ashamed to  be American for the first time in my life.

mikiemom
by Ruby Member on Nov. 8, 2013 at 10:00 AM

 

You are always welcome to move to another country.

Quoting sclowry:

I knew he was a liar when he was running the first time....now people are finally waking up to the fact and if he does not become our first dictator and someone else actually gets in office I think America is beyond fixing.  Other countries are laughing at us...He's a joke.....I am ashamed to  be American for the first time in my life.


 

candlegal
by Judy on Nov. 8, 2013 at 10:01 AM
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Did you think the same when MO said she was proud to be american for the first time in her adult life?


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Quoting Mommabearbergh:

Seriously a person made you be ashamed of being a American. That is dumb regardless of who the heck is president is I will never be ashamed to be a American. America isn't the person in office its the people who live here. The people who fought and fight for their country. Yeah we have screwed issues but ashamed seriously. Btw other countries laugh at us regardless but their people come here for school and opportunities .

Quoting sclowry:

I knew he was a liar when he was running the first time....now people are finally waking up to the fact and if he does not become our first dictator and someone else actually gets in office I think America is beyond fixing.  Other countries are laughing at us...He's a joke.....I am ashamed to  be American for the first time in my life.


motherslove82
by Silver Member on Nov. 8, 2013 at 10:02 AM
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I was just covering the lies that pertained to Obamacare. It would take all day to list them all.

Quoting candlegal:

You forgot to mention his Benghazi lie, his Fast and furious lies, his, oh never mind, too many to mention.

Quoting motherslove82:

Obama lied and mislead people? Shocker. People are rushing to cover for him? Bigger shocker.

What about the "I will not raise taxes on anyone with an income under $200,000" lie?



  

motherslove82
by Silver Member on Nov. 8, 2013 at 10:03 AM

I agree. Neither party deserves the offices they hold.

Quoting ReadWriteLuv:

What truly, truly saddens me is that in three years, I'm still going only going to have a Democrat and a Republican to choose from during election time. They both suck. 


  

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