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Texas Father Barred from Taking Pregnant Wife Off Life Support

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 I find this repugnant.  This law absolutely reduces a woman to no more than a forced incubator.


On Nov. 26, Erick Munoz woke to the sound of his year-old son crying and found his 14-weeks-pregnant wife, Marlise, lying on the kitchen floor, blue in the face and without a pulse. A firefighter and paramedic, Munoz called 911 and performed CPR, to no avail. When they arrived at the John Peter Smith Hospital (JPS) in Fort Worth, Texas, he thought he would have to make an agonizing decision: refuse life support even though that meant losing both his wife and his future child. Munoz said in a WFAA News report that four years ago, when Marlise's brother was killed in an accident, she told him that she would never want to be on life support — something they had discussed many times since.

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A month later, against his requests, she is still on a ventilator. Not only does Munoz want to honor his wife's wishes, but also he believes that the fetus she is carrying has been seriously harmed. "I don't know how long she was there prior to me finding her," he said. Munoz, who could not be reached for comment, wrote on WFAA's Facebook page, "All I know is that she was without oxygen long enough for her to have massive brain swelling. I unfortunately know what that type of damage could do to a child during crucial developmental time." Doctors say it's likely that Munoz's wife suffered a pulmonary embolism, and no longer has brain activity.

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When Munoz first arrived at the hospital, he discovered that, according to Texas law, life-sustaining procedures may not be withheld or withdrawn from a pregnant woman, — even if she has an advance health care directive (also called a living will) stipulating that she does not want to be kept alive on a machine. There are conflicting reports about whether Marlise Munoz had an official DNR (Do Not Resuscitate order), and the family could not be reached for comment. But according to the Center for Women Policy Studies, as of 2012, Texas and 11 other states have automatically invalidated pregnant women's advance directives to refrain from using extraordinary measures to keep them alive, and others have slightly less restrictive but similar laws. A spokesperson from the hospital told Yahoo Shine, "Our responsibility is to be a good corporate citizen while also providing quality care for our patients. At all times, JPS will follow the law as it applies to healthcare in the state of Texas."

Marlise Munoz's mother and father say they support their son-in-law's request to take their daughter off life support. "She absolutely DID NOT EVER want to be connected to Life Support," her mother, Lynne Machado, wrote on WFAA's Facebook page. "This issue is not about Pro Choice/Pro Life. Our intent is purely one of education about how this [statute] null and voids any woman's DNR [if she is] pregnant. We know our daughter well enough, after numerous discussions about DNR, that she would NEVER EVER consent to being hooked up to Life Support." While the family's tragic situation hits a nerve in a state where abortion debates rage, Munoz also said he doesn't want to participate in arguments over right-to-life verses pro-choice issues, but instead wishes to honor his wife and inform the public about a little-known law.

Marlise Munoz, at approximately 18 weeks pregnant, remains unresponsive and her husband describes her as "simply a shell." Doctors check the fetal heartbeat daily, but Munoz doesn't think the testing is sufficient to measure the fetus's viability. "Its hard to reach the point where you would wish your wife's body would stop," he said.

http://shine.yahoo.com/parenting/texas-father-barred-taking-pregnant-wife-off-life-200600388.html

by on Dec. 20, 2013 at 9:11 PM
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Its.me.Sam.
by Gold Member on Jan. 22, 2014 at 11:39 PM
1 mom liked this

and now this:
http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2014/01/22/22404705-fetus-of-texas-woman-on-life-support-distinctly-abnormal-family-lawyers-say?lite

this story is horribly terrifying IMO 

Quoting MeAndTommyLee:

What the hell is the sense of having one then? Very infuriating. Allow this woman peace, and let this family's nightmare be over.  This baby is 'developing' in a dead woman's body. This is sick.

Quoting LauraKW: Even a legally notarized DNR is disregarded for this Incubator Law.

Quoting .Bubbles.: This woman has a right to have her wishes followed through on. To be treated as nothing more than an incubator is disgusting and dehumanizing. The state has no right to override the wishes of her husband especially when her parents are saying he is only following her wishes.



MeAndTommyLee
by Platinum Member on Jan. 22, 2014 at 11:40 PM

It's hard to get 'lifers' out of office.  

Quoting kaejordan:

Look I don't want to get into it with anyone on here. To answer yours and everyone else question, as I stated my opinion, one life saved is better then two dying. There's a reason why these laws were made. If ppl don't like the laws then don't vote for the ppl who makes the laws. Ppl are allowed to protest, they can also take it to CNN news and even up to the Supreme Court, Congress or wherever. I'm done. 

Quoting LauraKW: Is the woman nothing more than an incubator at this point?

Quoting kaejordan:

I agree with you. She may have said that before she became pregnant. Who knows. She may want her child to live since she didn't have an abortion. I read some of these comments and I'm like is it that bad to try to save the unborn baby life. What harm or damage could it do to her. She's dead already and the baby is not. Isn't that what doctors are suppose to do try to save a life. IMO these ppl are crazy. The family too. Glad for laws like this. If she wasn't pregnant thn yes take her off life support. IMO 

Quoting chotovec82: I don't want to be on life support for an extended amount of time. If the doctors told my husband that I had no brain activity then I'd want him to take me off. We discussed this after the Terry Shavo (SP?) Incident. However, if I was pregnant then I'd want my husband to keep me on life support until the baby was viable, strong, and could live outside of me. Just because I died does not mean that my baby has to die. I'd want him to take any and all measures to allow our child to live. I love my kids more than myself and I don't care about a dead body so... being on life support isn't a big deal since I'm already dead. All it would do is save my baby.




diospira
by Bronze Member on Jan. 22, 2014 at 11:58 PM


Quoting Its.me.Sam.:

and now this:
http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2014/01/22/22404705-fetus-of-texas-woman-on-life-support-distinctly-abnormal-family-lawyers-say?lite

this story is horribly terrifying IMO 

Quoting MeAndTommyLee:

What the hell is the sense of having one then? Very infuriating. Allow this woman peace, and let this family's nightmare be over.  This baby is 'developing' in a dead woman's body. This is sick.

Quoting LauraKW: Even a legally notarized DNR is disregarded for this Incubator Law.

Quoting .Bubbles.: This woman has a right to have her wishes followed through on. To be treated as nothing more than an incubator is disgusting and dehumanizing. The state has no right to override the wishes of her husband especially when her parents are saying he is only following her wishes.



You are right. It is horribly terrifying.

Like something from science fiction except it's not.

Its.me.Sam.
by Gold Member on Jan. 22, 2014 at 11:59 PM
1 mom liked this


Quoting diospira:


Quoting Its.me.Sam.:

and now this:
http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2014/01/22/22404705-fetus-of-texas-woman-on-life-support-distinctly-abnormal-family-lawyers-say?lite

this story is horribly terrifying IMO 

Quoting MeAndTommyLee:

What the hell is the sense of having one then? Very infuriating. Allow this woman peace, and let this family's nightmare be over.  This baby is 'developing' in a dead woman's body. This is sick.

Quoting LauraKW: Even a legally notarized DNR is disregarded for this Incubator Law.

Quoting .Bubbles.: This woman has a right to have her wishes followed through on. To be treated as nothing more than an incubator is disgusting and dehumanizing. The state has no right to override the wishes of her husband especially when her parents are saying he is only following her wishes.



You are right. It is horribly terrifying.

Like something from science fiction except it's not.

The Handmaid's Tale kind of shit right!  

diospira
by Bronze Member on Jan. 23, 2014 at 12:17 AM


Quoting Its.me.Sam.:


Quoting diospira:


Quoting Its.me.Sam.:

and now this:
http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2014/01/22/22404705-fetus-of-texas-woman-on-life-support-distinctly-abnormal-family-lawyers-say?lite

this story is horribly terrifying IMO 

Quoting MeAndTommyLee:

What the hell is the sense of having one then? Very infuriating. Allow this woman peace, and let this family's nightmare be over.  This baby is 'developing' in a dead woman's body. This is sick.

Quoting LauraKW: Even a legally notarized DNR is disregarded for this Incubator Law.

Quoting .Bubbles.: This woman has a right to have her wishes followed through on. To be treated as nothing more than an incubator is disgusting and dehumanizing. The state has no right to override the wishes of her husband especially when her parents are saying he is only following her wishes.



You are right. It is horribly terrifying.

Like something from science fiction except it's not.

The Handmaid's Tale kind of shit right!  


Now that you mention it--- yes, exactly.



MeAndTommyLee
by Platinum Member on Jan. 23, 2014 at 12:17 AM

Oh, Lord....I can't believe you said exactly what I was thinking.  I read that book many, many years ago.  It was creepy and disturbing.  I'll never forget it.

Quoting Its.me.Sam.:


Quoting diospira:


Quoting Its.me.Sam.:

and now this:
http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2014/01/22/22404705-fetus-of-texas-woman-on-life-support-distinctly-abnormal-family-lawyers-say?lite

this story is horribly terrifying IMO 

Quoting MeAndTommyLee:

What the hell is the sense of having one then? Very infuriating. Allow this woman peace, and let this family's nightmare be over.  This baby is 'developing' in a dead woman's body. This is sick.

Quoting LauraKW: Even a legally notarized DNR is disregarded for this Incubator Law.

Quoting .Bubbles.: This woman has a right to have her wishes followed through on. To be treated as nothing more than an incubator is disgusting and dehumanizing. The state has no right to override the wishes of her husband especially when her parents are saying he is only following her wishes.



You are right. It is horribly terrifying.

Like something from science fiction except it's not.

The Handmaid's Tale kind of shit right!  


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