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FL Movie Theater Killer Tries to Invoke "Stand Your Ground"

Posted by on Jan. 14, 2014 at 11:25 PM
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Tue Jan 14, 2014 at 06:31 PM PST

by SemDemFollow

Curtis Reeves claimed that he was attacked first  -- by a bag of popcorn.  So when popcorn was thrown at him he responded the way you would expect any elderly Floridian would:  gunning the guy down with a .380 semi-automatic.  Chad Oulson, a husband and father, paid for that lack of phone etiquette with his life.  (Serves him right, say the comment boards.)

Mr. Reeves claimed he was "in fear" for his life.  Saying you were "in fear" is the foundation you need to invoke "Stand Your Ground" (SYG), or the "Shoot First" law as it is known here in Florida.  

The Pasco Sheriff's Office, to their credit, shot that down and went ahead and charged him with second-degree murder.  Thankfully, they didn't say he was justified and let him walk: unlike a certain other Sheriff's department last year that you might have heard about.

(And for law enforcement officials in Florida, that actually takes a lot of guts.  Thanks to SYG, arresting someone who later gets off for using the SYG law exposes police to criminal and civil penalties.)    

Yet even though his request for SYG protection has so far only failed at the arrest stage, as the CSMonitor correctly pointed out, probable cause to arrest is a very low standard.

Despite a quickly-filed charge,  Mr. Reeves' can certainly try it again at trial, which his statements to law enforcement make clear that is exactly what he will do.  


By charging him with second-degree murder, the Pasco Co. Sheriff has said that he wanted "to make sure" SYG was taken off the table.  To put it bluntly, he can't.    

Not only can Mr. Reeves try to get off with SYG at trial, FL law experts say he has at least a fair chance if he can convince a judge that he reasonably feared for his life before shooting:

Florida theater shooting:  Will suspect's age open door to stand your ground?

“Elderly people are a little bit more vulnerable than regular adults, so what may give a younger person a black eye could mean a cracked skull for a septuagenarian – that’s certainly a factor that may be figured in,” says Bob Dekle, a former Florida prosecutor.

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"Don't be quick to condemn" Reeves’ response to the popcorn attack, wrote Plant City defense attorney Ronald Tulin on his Facebook page. He noted that Florida law allows deadly self-defense in order to “prevent the imminent commission of a forcible felony. Attacking a senior citizen is a forcible felony in Florida.”

As I mentioned in a previous post, perpetrators in Florida have more authority to shoot and kill than U.S. troops have in war.  

Worse, it says that anyone can shoot anyone if they "reasonably believe" that they or someone else is in imminent danger.  So the burden of proof is highly subjective. We know that throwing popcorn at someone isn't going to kill them; but what is important is if Mr. Reeves can convince a judge that HE reasonably believed he was in danger.

Worse still, people a lot more horrible than Mr. Reeves have gotten off using SYG.  The majority of people in Florida who claim SYG have a criminal record. And they have been successful in exploiting the SYG law:  70% of people who claim SYG go free!  Mr. Reeves, as far as I can tell, had no criminal record.  

If you don't think he could get off here in Florida, think again.   People have gotten off using Stand Your Ground after shooting someone laying on the ground, performing gang retaliation with AK-47s which led to a 15-year old's death, and  shooting at unarmed utility workers who walked on the guy's yard.  

Just google "crazy stand your ground cases" and you'll see what I mean.   The Tampa Bay Times keeps a record of Stand Your Ground cases.  Floridians shooting people in the back, shooting at people delivering papers, shooting at misinterpreted deaf people, etc. etc. etc.

This ALEC/NRA-written law was inflicted upon us by Jeb Bush, (proving to everyone that a more intellectual W. would have been much worse). Although Rick Scott bears plenty of responsibility.  After Trayvon's murder, Rick Scott responded to the outcry by appointing a "task force"--which consisted of 3 ALEC members, 2 drafters of the original bill, and this idiot.  Surprisingly, they recommended no changes.  Not even a tweak so that people who initiate the confrontation can't later claim they felt threatened. So, you know, if a rapist chases a woman and she knees him he won't be able to shoot her and request SYG protection because he felt "threatened".  (I know only a complete idiot would accept that defense... but look where I live folks!)  

Even the former GOP sponsor of SYG said the law was never intended for people who put themselves in harm's way before they started firing.  Yet Rick Scott wouldn't even support that one simple change.  


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Florida is the NRA's Paradise

The clear racial bias, the unequal application, the fact that homicides have increased while empirical studies have found it simultaneously does not deter crime has not and will not stop Stand Your Ground.  

Only changing the regime in Tallahassee will.  

I only thank God that this guy didn't have a gun or we'd have another victim to mourn today.



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by on Jan. 14, 2014 at 11:25 PM
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Goodwoman614
by Satan on Jan. 14, 2014 at 11:27 PM

Surprised?

Goodwoman614
by Satan on Jan. 14, 2014 at 11:29 PM
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Deadly weapon:

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Bonnie_
by Bronze Member on Jan. 15, 2014 at 3:17 AM
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Yeah I was gonna say....  'He was afraid of popcorn???'     If that's the case  the folks working the concessions  better wear bullet proof vests....

 

AdrianneHill
by Platinum Member on Jan. 15, 2014 at 4:03 AM
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It's the old southern "that sumbitch looked at me cross ways and I must defend myself and my reputation. so pistols are drawn to keep ones honor from being besmirched!" The fact that he was driven to pull the trigger is proof enough that he was afraid of the victim and afraid for his life.
It sounds like he went to the manager to get satisfaction and when he didn't get it, decided to take it out of the other guy's ass. Please don't let him get off but he likely will. He'll say they went for his wallet or something and was forced to shoot to kill.
OHIOmommy330
by on Jan. 15, 2014 at 4:10 AM
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 ya know Florida and their laws are so fucked up that he may get away with it. Then again, maybe he won't since he killed a white man.

smalltownmom03
by Member on Jan. 15, 2014 at 4:20 AM
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This has nothing to do with race. Why even try to bring race into this.

Quoting OHIOmommy330:

 ya know Florida and their laws are so fucked up that he may get away with it. Then again, maybe he won't since he killed a white man.

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sweet-a-kins
by Emerald Member on Jan. 15, 2014 at 5:15 AM
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Provoke a situation

Claim you are the victim and are "scared"

Murder in cold blood

Hmm stop me if you hard this one before ...
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bellawomen
by Bronze Member on Jan. 15, 2014 at 5:54 AM
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Made me sick to hear other law enforcement officers appeared in court to show support for this idiot.
UpSheRises
by Platinum Member on Jan. 15, 2014 at 6:31 AM
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So many cowards with guns...dangerous.

Mommabearbergh
by on Jan. 15, 2014 at 6:37 AM
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It's just another reason for me to stay the hell out of Florida
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