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Men's Rights Activists Blame Date Rape Seminars for Men Not Feeling Welcome on Campus

Posted by on Jan. 16, 2014 at 4:39 PM
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Is this really a thing? We need activists for men's rights? This is important? Agree, disagree?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/09/27/mens-rights-anti-date-rape-college_n_3997953.html


Fewer and fewer males are enrolling in college institutions, and one men's rights activist argues that it's because men "don't feel that welcome on campus." He says he thinks college orientation seminars about date rape are partially to blame.

Miles Groth, an educator and activist in the men's rights movement, made the arguably controversial remarks in a recent interview with Metro News Canada ahead of his Sept. 27 speech for a student group at the University of Toronto.

Groth's speech was nearly canceled when students couldn't afford a campus-imposed high-security fee of $964 to pay for campus police, in anticipation of student protests. However, outside donors eventually covered the fee.

One claim protestors could take to task? Groth's argument that college date-rape orientations set men up to feel "potentially dangerous, and potentially harmful, particularly to women on campus.”

During his interview with Metro News Canada, he pondered whether these seminars are “overkill” and “whether in fact it might not be wiser to talk about this in a broader way, let’s say for example, courtesy between boys and girls on campus, regardless of who’s behaving, males or females.”

Perhaps unsurprisingly, some of Groth's arguments seem difficult to support. The claim of "overkill" in college sexual assault education, for example, is countered by findings that college rape prevention programs can "cause an immediate shift in perspective about rape myths," make students more likely to offer effective "bystander support," and even cause long-term behavioral changes, according to a 2011 meta-study.

These educational efforts are vital in combating lingering misconceptions among college students: A 2012 study found that 41 percent of students believe that if a female is raped when she is drunk, it is her fault. These misconceptions are harrowing when you consider that about 20 percent of women will experience rape during their college career.

As Huffington Post Canada described in a recent piece, the men's rights movement is comprised mainly of millennial males who are "questioning their place in society and whether their rights are being violated. While their views on feminism and the extent of male oppression vary, all agree that we need to talk more openly about issues that affect boys and men."

However, some gender theorists view men's activism differently. For instance, Michael Kimmel, a sociology professor and author of Angry White Men, thinks the movement is fueled by entitlement. "Men feel besieged and attacked by women’s advancement,” he said during a 2010 lecture, according to Feministing. In a CNN editorial last year, he wrote "Equality sucks when you've been on top -- and men have been on top for so long that we think it's a level playing field."
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Stephanie329
by Platinum Member on Jan. 16, 2014 at 4:42 PM
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This sums things up nicely IMO:

"However, some gender theorists view men's activism differently. For instance, Michael Kimmel, a sociology professor and author of Angry White Men, thinks the movement is fueled by entitlement. "Men feel besieged and attacked by women’s advancement,” he said during a 2010 lecture, according to Feministing. In a CNN editorial last year, he wrote "Equality sucks when you've been on top -- and men have been on top for so long that we think it's a level playing field."
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Stephanie329
by Platinum Member on Jan. 16, 2014 at 5:52 PM
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angelenia
by Silver Member on Mar. 23, 2014 at 3:19 AM
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Droyal14u
by on Mar. 23, 2014 at 3:33 AM
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Male Oppression? Seriously? Look at the top 10 - 20 % of management positions in most companies and you're find mostly MALE candidates. Men can walk down any street and not fear being raped or sodomized. There's not a 20% statistic that males will be raped on campus. Surely there must be some comfort in that. Is it offensive to know that it's YOUR fault you took advantage of an incapacitated female? Apparently so. Otherwise, you're just fooling yourself. Cry me a river men, for having to attend Date Rape orientation. Boo-hoo. You came to college to get EDUCATED. It's just another part of the curriculum.

mandaday
by Silver Member on Mar. 23, 2014 at 4:04 AM
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Well, I'd rather not have the types of guys who would find a seminar on why date rape is bad offensive on the same campus as my daughter. So I'm kinda okay with those who are offended by it not going.

Clairwil
by Ruby Member on Mar. 23, 2014 at 4:58 AM
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Quoting Stephanie329:

We need activists for men's rights? 

Not as much as we need activists for women's rights.

And in a perfect world, we wouldn't need them because women's rights activists would never take things too far.  All we'd have would be activists for people's rights.

However, in practice, yes there are a few topics on which it is a useful thing to have trained voices presenting the case that the pendulum shouldn't be allowed to swing too far over unchecked.   For example, custody in divorce cases.   Certain forms of cancer that only affect men got marginalised for a decade or two.  And male rape in prisons and the military.

That said, this particualar topic (men feeling unwelcome on campus) isn't an area where men's rights activists are needed.

chanizen
by Bronze Member on Mar. 23, 2014 at 7:17 AM
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My brain hurts from the mind boggling stupidity of this argument.    Real men are not threatened by women who are aware that it is not ok to be sexually assaulted during a date.

nixore
by Myk Elskling on Mar. 23, 2014 at 8:14 AM
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As pretty much always, I agree with you. They aren't needed as often as women's rights activists, but it is going too far to say there is never any good reason to have someone standing up for men's issues.

This particular situation is not one where they are needed, though.


Quoting Clairwil:

Quoting Stephanie329: We need activists for men's rights? 

Not as much as we need activists for women's rights.

And in a perfect world, we wouldn't need them because women's rights activists would never take things too far.  All we'd have would be activists for people's rights.

However, in practice, yes there are a few topics on which it is a useful thing to have trained voices presenting the case that the pendulum shouldn't be allowed to swing too far over unchecked.   For example, custody in divorce cases.   Certain forms of cancer that only affect men got marginalised for a decade or two.  And male rape in prisons and the military.

That said, this particualar topic (men feeling unwelcome on campus) isn't an area where men's rights activists are needed.

angelenia
by Silver Member on Mar. 23, 2014 at 4:29 PM
Does this guy not realize he sounds like an asshat, complaining like a little bitch about rape awareness campaigns on campuses? Considering the prevalence of rape in general and on campuses in particular, clearly education about sexual assault is very necessary. Why would a man feel threatened or unwelcome by programs aimed at reducing the appalling number of sexual assaults? Guilty conscience maybe?
3JuJu3
by on Mar. 23, 2014 at 6:09 PM
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Wahhh!  I don't feel comfortable raping a girl and I don't feel welcome, whaaa!!!!

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