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Utah State Attorneys Argue Gay Marriage Puts Children At Risk

Posted by on Feb. 5, 2014 at 6:06 PM
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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/02/04/utah-gay-marriage-children_n_4726384.html?utm_hp_ref=gay-rights

By Jennifer Dobner

SALT LAKE CITY, Feb 4 (Reuters) - Utah attorneys seeking to overturn a federal court decision that struck down a state ban on gay marriage have argued in appeals papers that prohibiting same-sex unions is crucial to safeguarding the best interests of children.

The conservative, heavily Mormon state briefly became the 18th U.S. state to allow same-sex marriage when a federal judge ruled in December that a state ban on gay marriage was unconstitutional.

His ruling was put on hold by the U.S. Supreme Court, but not before about 1,400 gay couples had tied the knot.

The outcome of Utah's appeal of the decision could, if it reaches the U.S. Supreme Court, see the high court rule on the constitutionality of bans on gay marriage that are now in effect in most states.

"As between mutually exclusive models of marriage, the man-woman model is simply the one the state and its people believe is best for children," Utah state attorneys said in filings submitted late on Monday to the 10th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals.

The court brief argued that risks to children from same-sex marriage include the emotional toll of growing up without a father or mother because their parents would be of the same gender. It also suggested birthrates in Utah might decline due to adults opting for same-sex unions instead of procreating.

A hearing in the case is expected on April 10 in Denver.

Cliff Rosky, a University of Utah law professor who sits on the board of gay rights group Equality Utah, said the state's arguments were demeaning to families headed by same-sex couples.

He said the American Pediatric Association and American Psychiatric Association and similar groups reject the contention that gay parents do not raise healthy, well-adjusted children.

"These are the same arguments that states have been using to defend same-sex marriage bans for 40 years," Rosky said.

Shannon Minter, legal director of the National Center for Lesbian Rights, which is co-counsel for the plaintiffs challenging the ban, pointed out Utah's legal brief acknowledged same-sex couples can be good parents.

"The law should support all families, not make it harder for some families to take care of themselves and their children," Minter said in a statement.

U.S. District Court Judge Robert Shelby's ruling invalidating Utah's ban on gay marriage, which was passed by voters in 2004, found it violated gay couples' rights to due process and equal protection under the U.S. Constitution.

The ruling jolted many of Utah's 2.8 million residents, nearly two-thirds of whom are members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, which teaches that traditional marriage is an institution ordained by God.

Little more than a decade ago, none of the 50 U.S. states recognized same-sex marriage. Since then, attitudes have changed rapidly in some parts of the country. (Writing by Alex Dobuzinskis; Editing by Cynthia Johnston and Mohammad Zargham)

  No human race is superior; no religious faith is inferior. All collective judgments are wrong. Only racists make them. By Elie Wiesel

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TranquilMind
by Platinum Member on Feb. 5, 2014 at 6:52 PM
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 Numerous studies indicate that a child does best with a mother and a father.   That's just fact.  So that part of the article is simply true, based on the research:


"As between mutually exclusive models of marriage, the man-woman model is simply the one the state and its people believe is best for children," Utah state attorneys said in filings submitted late on Monday to the 10th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals.

The court brief argued that risks to children from same-sex marriage include the emotional toll of growing up without a father or mother because their parents would be of the same gender.

Debmomto2girls
by Platinum Member on Feb. 5, 2014 at 6:55 PM
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Tell that to all the children being raised by hoosexuals in loving homes.

And no, it is not a fact.  Most of the studies showed children do better in two aprent families.  Gender was not part of the studies.  Also, please site these "numerous" studies.

Quoting TranquilMind:

 Numerous studies indicate that a child does best with a mother and a father.   That's just fact.  So that part of the article is simply true, based on the research:


"As between mutually exclusive models of marriage, the man-woman model is simply the one the state and its people believe is best for children," Utah state attorneys said in filings submitted late on Monday to the 10th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals.

The court brief argued that risks to children from same-sex marriage include the emotional toll of growing up without a father or mother because their parents would be of the same gender.


Friday
by HRH of MJ on Feb. 5, 2014 at 6:55 PM
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Thank God......it's Friday!!!

lga1965
by on Feb. 5, 2014 at 8:13 PM
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 Being a mormon is risky  for  men women and children.

..MoonShine..
by Redwood Witch on Feb. 5, 2014 at 8:27 PM
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Huh. You wanna tell that to my two moms who raised two children who are doing pretty darn well for themselves?

Not fact.


Quoting TranquilMind:

 Numerous studies indicate that a child does best with a mother and a father.   That's just fact.  So that part of the article is simply true, based on the research:



"As between mutually exclusive models of marriage, the man-woman model is simply the one the state and its people believe is best for children," Utah state attorneys said in filings submitted late on Monday to the 10th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals.

The court brief argued that risks to children from same-sex marriage include the emotional toll of growing up without a father or mother because their parents would be of the same gender.

Citygirlk
by Gold Member on Feb. 5, 2014 at 8:34 PM
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They sound like the Russians.

Debmomto2girls
by Platinum Member on Feb. 5, 2014 at 8:35 PM

I want to see the numerous studies but I doubt I will see it.

Quoting ..MoonShine..: Huh. You wanna tell that to my two moms who raised two children who are doing pretty darn well for themselves?

Not fact.


Quoting TranquilMind:

 Numerous studies indicate that a child does best with a mother and a father.   That's just fact.  So that part of the article is simply true, based on the research:



"As between mutually exclusive models of marriage, the man-woman model is simply the one the state and its people believe is best for children," Utah state attorneys said in filings submitted late on Monday to the 10th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals.

The court brief argued that risks to children from same-sex marriage include the emotional toll of growing up without a father or mother because their parents would be of the same gender.


motha2daDuchess
by Bruja on Feb. 5, 2014 at 9:16 PM
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I think the stipulation of credible site for said "facts"...anti gay or super zealot don't count

Quoting Debmomto2girls:

I want to see the numerous studies but I doubt I will see it.

Quoting ..MoonShine..: Huh. You wanna tell that to my two moms who raised two children who are doing pretty darn well for themselves?

Not fact.


Quoting TranquilMind:

 Numerous studies indicate that a child does best with a mother and a father.   That's just fact.  So that part of the article is simply true, based on the research:



"As between mutually exclusive models of marriage, the man-woman model is simply the one the state and its people believe is best for children," Utah state attorneys said in filings submitted late on Monday to the 10th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals.

The court brief argued that risks to children from same-sex marriage include the emotional toll of growing up without a father or mother because their parents would be of the same gender.



TranquilMind
by Platinum Member on Feb. 6, 2014 at 12:32 AM
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 You mean "cite" them, not "site".   You are entirely false in your assumption that gender is irrelevant.  Children need their mom and a dad for optimal development.  Not all kids get them, especially today, of  course, but that doesn't mean it is not the ideal environment.   

I don't have time to cite all studies but it has been all over the news.  Here are a few:

• James Q. Wilson, one of the world’s brightest and most well-respected social scientists, wrote a very important article on the importance of marriage recently. He says:

Almost everyone – a few retrograde scholars excepted – agrees that children in mother-only homes suffer harmful consequences: the best studies show that these youngsters are more likely than those in [mother/father] families to be suspended from school, have emotional problems, become delinquent, suffer from abuse and take drugs.

He explains that some of the difference in these children, perhaps half, can be explained by the economic difference of living without a father. But, he explains, “The rest of the difference is explained by a mother living without a husband.”

Two leading mainstream child-advocacy organizations recently sought to understand which family form best elevated child well-being outcomes. Their conclusions found that married mothers and fathers in low conflict marriages accomplished this important task best.

• The Center for Law and Social Policy (CLASP), found:

Most researchers now agree that…studies support the notion that, on average, children do best when raised by their two married biological parents… Research indicates that, on average, children who grow up in families with both their biological parents in a low-conflict marriage are better off in a number of ways than children who grow up in single-, step or cohabiting-parent households.

This paper can be found at: http://www.clasp.org/publications/Marriage_Brief3.pdf

• In addition, Child Trends concludes:

An extensive body of research tells us that children do best when they grow up with both biological parents in a low-conflict marriage… Thus, it is not simply the presence of two parents, as some have assumed, but the presence of two biological parents that seem to support child development. (Emphasis in original)

This paper can be found at: http://www.childtrends.org/files/MarriageRB602.pdf

• A diverse team of family scholars working collectively from the Universities of Texas, Virginia, Minnesota, Chicago, Maryland, Washington, UC Berkeley, and Rutgers University recently reported on the multiple benefits for children who live with their own married parents. In this family structure children,

  • live longer, healthier lives both physically and mentally.
  • do better in school.
  • are more likely to graduate and attend college.
  • are less likely to live in poverty.
  • are less likely to be in trouble with the law.
  • are less likely to drink or do drugs.
  • are less likely to be violent or sexually active.
  • are less likely to be victims of sexual or physical violence.
  • are more likely to have successful marriage when they are older.

• Sociologist Paul Amato, writing in a study published jointly by Princeton University and the Brookings Institute, explains,

Specifically, compared with children who grow up in stable, two-parent families, children born outside marriage reach adulthood with less education, earn less income, have lower occupational status, are more likely to be idle (that is, not employed and not in school), are more likely to have a non-marital birth (among daughters), have more troubled marriages, experience higher rates of divorce, and report more symptoms of depression… Research clearly demonstrates that children growing up with two continuously married parents are less likely than other children to experience a wide range of cognitive, emotional, and social problems, not only during childhood, but also in adulthood.

This paper can be found at: http://www.futureofchildren.org/usr_doc/05_FOC_15-2_fall05_Amato.pdf

• Sara McLanahan of Princeton University, one of the world’s leading scholars on how family form impacts child well-being, explains from her extensive investigations:

If we were asked to design a system for making sure that children’s basic needs were met, we would probably come up with something quite similar to the two-parent family ideal. Such a design, in theory, would not only ensure that children had access to the time and money of two adults, it would provide a system of checks and balances that promote quality parenting. The fact that both adults have a biological connection to the child would increase the likelihood that the parents would identify with the child and be willing to sacrifice for that child and it would reduce the likelihood that either parent would abuse the child.

The research is clear, if we are concerned about elevating the well-being and life opportunities for children, we must be concerned about the health and strength of the two-parent family.

 

 

Quoting Debmomto2girls:

Tell that to all the children being raised by hoosexuals in loving homes.

And no, it is not a fact.  Most of the studies showed children do better in two aprent families.  Gender was not part of the studies.  Also, please site these "numerous" studies.

Quoting TranquilMind:

 Numerous studies indicate that a child does best with a mother and a father.   That's just fact.  So that part of the article is simply true, based on the research:


"As between mutually exclusive models of marriage, the man-woman model is simply the one the state and its people believe is best for children," Utah state attorneys said in filings submitted late on Monday to the 10th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals.

The court brief argued that risks to children from same-sex marriage include the emotional toll of growing up without a father or mother because their parents would be of the same gender.


 

TranquilMind
by Platinum Member on Feb. 6, 2014 at 12:35 AM
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 So your single, entirely subjective experience trumps all research. 

Ok.

Not to mention that you HAVE a father.  Those two women didn't spontaneously reproduce.  They just chose another structure other than the obvious family in which to raise you, for whatever reasons they have.

You have no idea if you would have done better if you would have a Mom and Dad who actually love each other and you.  You will never know.  You didn't get that chance. 

Statistically, you are incorrect, regardless of your personal feelings.  Talking about "children" here, not you in particular.

Quoting ..MoonShine..: Huh. You wanna tell that to my two moms who raised two children who are doing pretty darn well for themselves?

Not fact.


Quoting TranquilMind:

 Numerous studies indicate that a child does best with a mother and a father.   That's just fact.  So that part of the article is simply true, based on the research:



"As between mutually exclusive models of marriage, the man-woman model is simply the one the state and its people believe is best for children," Utah state attorneys said in filings submitted late on Monday to the 10th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals.

The court brief argued that risks to children from same-sex marriage include the emotional toll of growing up without a father or mother because their parents would be of the same gender.

 

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