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WSJ columnist compares campus sexual assault to drunk driving

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WSJ columnist compares campus sexual assault to drunk driving

 

Wall Street Journal columnist James Taranto has come under fire for a column he wrote in which he argues there's a double standard when it comes to sexual assault on college campuses.

In the column, published on Monday, Taranto comes to the defense of men accused of sexual assault in cases involving alcohol, asserting drunk female victims deserve as much of the blame as their inebriated assailants.

"If two drunk drivers are in a collision, one doesn't determine fault on the basis of demographic details such as each driver's sex," Taranto writes. "But when two drunken college students 'collide,' the male one is almost always presumed to be at fault."

He also points to a quote from a recent New York Times article from Sgt. Richard Cournoyer, a Connecticut state trooper in charge of investigating recent assault allegations at the University of Connecticut.

"These aren't people jumping out of the bushes," Cournoyer told the Times. "For the most part, they're boys who had too much to drink and have done something stupid. When we show up to question them, you can see the terror in their eyes."

In Taranto's eyes, the victims are often just as stupid. "Both of them were taking foolish risks," he writes, "and it seems likely that he as well as she had impaired judgment owing to excessive drinking."

Not surprisingly, Taranto's column has sparked considerable outrage.

"This is textbook victim-blaming," Jessica Wakeman writes on TheFrisky.com:

"Sexual assault doesn't only happen because victims are drunk. Sexual assault happens because rapists exploit their victim's diminished faculties. Sexual assault happens because it's easier to physically overpower someone who is very drunk; sexual assault happens because when someone is passed out, they can't say 'no.'"


"Taranto lives in a world in which women who are drunk to the point of near-unconsciousness should be presumed to be granting willing consent to whatever behaviors men engage in," Phillip Bump writes on The Atlantic Wire.

"Rape isn't a mistake that college students accidentally make because they're too drunk," Tara Culp-Ressler writes on ThinkProgress.com. "In fact, research into college rapists reveals that sexual assault is premeditated and victims are carefully chosen. Alcohol is a tool that rapists often use, but it's simply one tool among many."

Dear James Taranto, rape is not exactly "two drunk college kids colliding." Educate yourself, sir. http://t.co/x5E3gMBMPP

- Jennifer Zobair (@jazobair) February 11, 2014


A Change.org petition calling for the newspaper to fire Taranto - launched on Monday by the nonprofit rape survivor group SurvJustice - has already gathered more than 1,400 signatures.

"Supporting rape and rapists is not journalism!" the petition reads. "The Wall Street Journal is giving a platform to a rape apologist. James Taranto is supporting men who are perpetrating sexual violence against intimate partners and intoxicated individuals."

According to a report by the White House Council on Women and Girls released on Jan. 21, one in five U.S. women were victims of sexual assault in college. And according to the Rape, Abuse & Incest National Network, one out of every six women will have been a victim of an attempted or completed rape in her lifetime.

Taranto has something of a history of controversial columns. His latest comes less than a month after President Barack Obama announced the formation of a task force to combat sexual assault on college campuses following the administration's successful crackdown on the rapes that occur in the military - something that Taranto previously argued was "an effort to criminalize male sexuality" and a "war on men."

That column, published in June 2013, was greeted with a similar backlash.

The Wall Street Journal did not return a request for comment. Taranto did not return an email or Twitter message seeking comment.

by on Feb. 12, 2014 at 11:04 AM
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PinkButterfly66
by Gold Member on Feb. 12, 2014 at 1:19 PM
1 mom liked this

Hahahah!

Quoting sweet-a-kins:

 

Quoting PinkButterfly66:

Obviously this columnist has never been a victim of assault.  Just another male blaming the victim.  Can I smack him up side his head with my laptop?

 I vote yes, and we will start a defense fund


finnbar
by Silver Member on Feb. 12, 2014 at 1:21 PM
2 moms liked this
Get in line! I am polishing up this chunk of kindling, kinda like playing cricket but with this guy's head for the hall...

Quoting PinkButterfly66:

Obviously this columnist has never been a victim of assault.  Just another male blaming the victim.  Can I smack him up side his head with my laptop?

masonmomma
by on Feb. 12, 2014 at 2:42 PM
Maybe I wasn't clear. How do you know in these cases it wasn't the female forcing herself on the male? Or can males not be raped?

Quoting sweet-a-kins:

 If you commit a crime while drunk, from hitting someone in your car to physical assaults to robbery/theft...you are STILL charged with a crime.


Saying you were to drunk to be responsible for your ACTIONS doesn't work.


In the case of someone being DRUNK and GETTING raped - that person did NOTHING illegal and nothing that would harm another person.....


 


Please provide a case where it was unknown who was the rapist


Quoting masonmomma: Not trying to start a debate just wanted to pose a question. All are obviously welcomed to answer of course.
So if both parties are so dunk they don't know what's going on how do we know who is raping who?



Quoting mikiemom:

Umm because the man is the one raping the woman. WTF - this is another example of our disgusting Rape culture.



this man can not be trusted to be alone with women period.


 

masonmomma
by on Feb. 12, 2014 at 2:45 PM
1 mom liked this
Two people wake up. Neither remember the previous night. Someone tells girl she had sex with so and so. She cries rape but doesn't remember exactly what happened. Guy doesn't remember what happened either. Others at the party claim they were all over each other. Who raped who?

Quoting SuperChicken:

How to tell if you were the rapist or the victim:   If you're the one making the moves, you're probably the rapist.   If your hands are on the other person, willingly, then you're the rapist.  If your mouth is on the other person, then you're the rapist.  If your genitals are touching the other person willingly, then you're the rapist.  If you're being touched sexually by someone else's hands, mouth, genitals, unwillingly or while you're too inebriated to communicate if you're willing then you're the victim.   

If in doubt - keep yourself to yourself.  

Quoting masonmomma: Not trying to start a debate just wanted to pose a question. All are obviously welcomed to answer of course.

So if both parties are so dunk they don't know what's going on how do we know who is raping who?




Quoting mikiemom:

Umm because the man is the one raping the woman. WTF - this is another example of our disgusting Rape culture.



this man can not be trusted to be alone with women period.


tooptimistic
by Kelly on Feb. 12, 2014 at 2:49 PM

That happens all the time in college!!  Guess who life is ruined? The boys.  Guess who gets a free pass?  The girls.  If you have had so much to drink you can't control yourself or remember what you did or didn't do, don't cry rape.  Young women drink just as much and the young men, then blame everyone but themselves when they make bad decision.  I  totally see the comparison to drinking and driving.

Quoting masonmomma: Two people wake up. Neither remember the previous night. Someone tells girl she had sex with so and so. She cries rape but doesn't remember exactly what happened. Guy doesn't remember what happened either. Others at the party claim they were all over each other. Who raped who?

Quoting SuperChicken:

How to tell if you were the rapist or the victim:   If you're the one making the moves, you're probably the rapist.   If your hands are on the other person, willingly, then you're the rapist.  If your mouth is on the other person, then you're the rapist.  If your genitals are touching the other person willingly, then you're the rapist.  If you're being touched sexually by someone else's hands, mouth, genitals, unwillingly or while you're too inebriated to communicate if you're willing then you're the victim.   

If in doubt - keep yourself to yourself.  

Quoting masonmomma: Not trying to start a debate just wanted to pose a question. All are obviously welcomed to answer of course.

So if both parties are so dunk they don't know what's going on how do we know who is raping who?




Quoting mikiemom:

Umm because the man is the one raping the woman. WTF - this is another example of our disgusting Rape culture.



this man can not be trusted to be alone with women period.



sweet-a-kins
by Emerald Member on Feb. 12, 2014 at 2:51 PM
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 Please link a case where that was the argument.

I have never heard that. and No, I never said a make couldnt be raped.

and that isn't what we are discussing.

Rapist supports make me want to vomit

Quoting masonmomma: Maybe I wasn't clear. How do you know in these cases it wasn't the female forcing herself on the male? Or can males not be raped?

Quoting sweet-a-kins:

 If you commit a crime while drunk, from hitting someone in your car to physical assaults to robbery/theft...you are STILL charged with a crime.


Saying you were to drunk to be responsible for your ACTIONS doesn't work.


In the case of someone being DRUNK and GETTING raped - that person did NOTHING illegal and nothing that would harm another person.....


 


Please provide a case where it was unknown who was the rapist


Quoting masonmomma: Not trying to start a debate just wanted to pose a question. All are obviously welcomed to answer of course.
So if both parties are so dunk they don't know what's going on how do we know who is raping who?



Quoting mikiemom:

Umm because the man is the one raping the woman. WTF - this is another example of our disgusting Rape culture.



this man can not be trusted to be alone with women period.


 

 

masonmomma
by on Feb. 12, 2014 at 2:58 PM
Seriously? Of course someone possibly lying and how easy it would be for them to do so isn't the topic. You need to go look it up instead of being so stuck in your delusions. The question is, how do you know it's not the female? If neither remembers shit YOU DON'T. But as the system stands now, that doesn't matter. If you need me to give you links on male rape our makes who say they were wrongly accused and convicted based solely on the women's inebriated words, then you're living under a rock.

Quoting sweet-a-kins:

 Please link a case where that was the argument.


I have never heard that. and No, I never said a make couldnt be raped.


and that isn't what we are discussing.


Rapist supports make me want to vomit


Quoting masonmomma: Maybe I wasn't clear. How do you know in these cases it wasn't the female forcing herself on the male? Or can males not be raped?


Quoting sweet-a-kins:

 If you commit a crime while drunk, from hitting someone in your car to physical assaults to robbery/theft...you are STILL charged with a crime.



Saying you were to drunk to be responsible for your ACTIONS doesn't work.



In the case of someone being DRUNK and GETTING raped - that person did NOTHING illegal and nothing that would harm another person.....



 



Please provide a case where it was unknown who was the rapist



Quoting masonmomma: Not trying to start a debate just wanted to pose a question. All are obviously welcomed to answer of course.
So if both parties are so dunk they don't know what's going on how do we know who is raping who?




Quoting mikiemom:

Umm because the man is the one raping the woman. WTF - this is another example of our disgusting Rape culture.




this man can not be trusted to be alone with women period.



 


 

masonmomma
by on Feb. 12, 2014 at 3:03 PM
I agree.
I see the reasoning behind the current system, I do. And see where it benefits victims but it is to easy for an innocent person to have their lives ripped to shreds. Same with restraining orders. It's also disgusting how all these groups are banking from theses flawed systems as well. When I had a restraining order on my ex, you know what evidence they asked for to initiate it? None. Granted I had reasoning and evidence but now that I have a make family member going through it, I can't help but to see how flawed that is.


Quoting tooptimistic:

That happens all the time in college!!  Guess who life is ruined? The boys.  Guess who gets a free pass?  The girls.  If you have had so much to drink you can't control yourself or remember what you did or didn't do, don't cry rape.  Young women drink just as much and the young men, then blame everyone but themselves when they make bad decision.  I  totally see the comparison to drinking and driving.

Quoting masonmomma: Two people wake up. Neither remember the previous night. Someone tells girl she had sex with so and so. She cries rape but doesn't remember exactly what happened. Guy doesn't remember what happened either. Others at the party claim they were all over each other. Who raped who?



Quoting SuperChicken:

How to tell if you were the rapist or the victim:   If you're the one making the moves, you're probably the rapist.   If your hands are on the other person, willingly, then you're the rapist.  If your mouth is on the other person, then you're the rapist.  If your genitals are touching the other person willingly, then you're the rapist.  If you're being touched sexually by someone else's hands, mouth, genitals, unwillingly or while you're too inebriated to communicate if you're willing then you're the victim.   

If in doubt - keep yourself to yourself.  

Quoting masonmomma: Not trying to start a debate just wanted to pose a question. All are obviously welcomed to answer of course.


So if both parties are so dunk they don't know what's going on how do we know who is raping who?






Quoting mikiemom:

Umm because the man is the one raping the woman. WTF - this is another example of our disgusting Rape culture.




this man can not be trusted to be alone with women period.



sweet-a-kins
by Emerald Member on Feb. 12, 2014 at 3:09 PM
1 mom liked this

 If two drunk drivers are in a collision, one doesn't determine fault on the basis of demographic details such as each driver's sex," Taranto writes. "But when two drunken college students 'collide,' the male one is almost always presumed to be at fault."

 

In the case of 2 drunk drivers, they are both commiting a crime. and therefor both should be charged

In the case of a woman not given consent because she is too drunk .... she commited no crime.

If the sexes are reversed, the charges would be the same.

 

Quoting masonmomma: Seriously? Of course someone possibly lying and how easy it would be for them to do so isn't the topic. You need to go look it up instead of being so stuck in your delusions. The question is, how do you know it's not the female? If neither remembers shit YOU DON'T. But as the system stands now, that doesn't matter. If you need me to give you links on male rape our makes who say they were wrongly accused and convicted based solely on the women's inebriated words, then you're living under a rock.

Quoting sweet-a-kins:

 Please link a case where that was the argument.


I have never heard that. and No, I never said a make couldnt be raped.


and that isn't what we are discussing.


Rapist supports make me want to vomit


Quoting masonmomma: Maybe I wasn't clear. How do you know in these cases it wasn't the female forcing herself on the male? Or can males not be raped?


Quoting sweet-a-kins:

 If you commit a crime while drunk, from hitting someone in your car to physical assaults to robbery/theft...you are STILL charged with a crime.



Saying you were to drunk to be responsible for your ACTIONS doesn't work.



In the case of someone being DRUNK and GETTING raped - that person did NOTHING illegal and nothing that would harm another person.....



 



Please provide a case where it was unknown who was the rapist



Quoting masonmomma: Not trying to start a debate just wanted to pose a question. All are obviously welcomed to answer of course.
So if both parties are so dunk they don't know what's going on how do we know who is raping who?




Quoting mikiemom:

Umm because the man is the one raping the woman. WTF - this is another example of our disgusting Rape culture.




this man can not be trusted to be alone with women period.



 


 

 

masonmomma
by on Feb. 12, 2014 at 3:28 PM
So a women being to inebriated is ok but a man being to inebriated to understand is not? What constitutes as consent? What if neither remember what actually happened?

Quoting sweet-a-kins:

 If two drunk drivers are in a collision, one doesn't determine fault on the basis of demographic details such as each driver's sex," Taranto writes. "But when two drunken college students 'collide,' the male one is almost always presumed to be at fault."


 


In the case of 2 drunk drivers, they are both commiting a crime. and therefor both should be charged


In the case of a woman not given consent because she is too drunk .... she commited no crime.


If the sexes are reversed, the charges would be the same.


 


Quoting masonmomma: Seriously? Of course someone possibly lying and how easy it would be for them to do so isn't the topic. You need to go look it up instead of being so stuck in your delusions. The question is, how do you know it's not the female? If neither remembers shit YOU DON'T. But as the system stands now, that doesn't matter. If you need me to give you links on male rape our makes who say they were wrongly accused and convicted based solely on the women's inebriated words, then you're living under a rock.


Quoting sweet-a-kins:

 Please link a case where that was the argument.



I have never heard that. and No, I never said a make couldnt be raped.



and that isn't what we are discussing.



Rapist supports make me want to vomit



Quoting masonmomma: Maybe I wasn't clear. How do you know in these cases it wasn't the female forcing herself on the male? Or can males not be raped?



Quoting sweet-a-kins:

 If you commit a crime while drunk, from hitting someone in your car to physical assaults to robbery/theft...you are STILL charged with a crime.




Saying you were to drunk to be responsible for your ACTIONS doesn't work.




In the case of someone being DRUNK and GETTING raped - that person did NOTHING illegal and nothing that would harm another person.....




 




Please provide a case where it was unknown who was the rapist




Quoting masonmomma: Not trying to start a debate just wanted to pose a question. All are obviously welcomed to answer of course.
So if both parties are so dunk they don't know what's going on how do we know who is raping who?





Quoting mikiemom:


Umm because the man is the one raping the woman. WTF - this is another example of our disgusting Rape culture.





this man can not be trusted to be alone with women period.




 



 


 

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