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WSJ columnist compares campus sexual assault to drunk driving

 

Wall Street Journal columnist James Taranto has come under fire for a column he wrote in which he argues there's a double standard when it comes to sexual assault on college campuses.

In the column, published on Monday, Taranto comes to the defense of men accused of sexual assault in cases involving alcohol, asserting drunk female victims deserve as much of the blame as their inebriated assailants.

"If two drunk drivers are in a collision, one doesn't determine fault on the basis of demographic details such as each driver's sex," Taranto writes. "But when two drunken college students 'collide,' the male one is almost always presumed to be at fault."

He also points to a quote from a recent New York Times article from Sgt. Richard Cournoyer, a Connecticut state trooper in charge of investigating recent assault allegations at the University of Connecticut.

"These aren't people jumping out of the bushes," Cournoyer told the Times. "For the most part, they're boys who had too much to drink and have done something stupid. When we show up to question them, you can see the terror in their eyes."

In Taranto's eyes, the victims are often just as stupid. "Both of them were taking foolish risks," he writes, "and it seems likely that he as well as she had impaired judgment owing to excessive drinking."

Not surprisingly, Taranto's column has sparked considerable outrage.

"This is textbook victim-blaming," Jessica Wakeman writes on TheFrisky.com:

"Sexual assault doesn't only happen because victims are drunk. Sexual assault happens because rapists exploit their victim's diminished faculties. Sexual assault happens because it's easier to physically overpower someone who is very drunk; sexual assault happens because when someone is passed out, they can't say 'no.'"


"Taranto lives in a world in which women who are drunk to the point of near-unconsciousness should be presumed to be granting willing consent to whatever behaviors men engage in," Phillip Bump writes on The Atlantic Wire.

"Rape isn't a mistake that college students accidentally make because they're too drunk," Tara Culp-Ressler writes on ThinkProgress.com. "In fact, research into college rapists reveals that sexual assault is premeditated and victims are carefully chosen. Alcohol is a tool that rapists often use, but it's simply one tool among many."

Dear James Taranto, rape is not exactly "two drunk college kids colliding." Educate yourself, sir. http://t.co/x5E3gMBMPP

- Jennifer Zobair (@jazobair) February 11, 2014


A Change.org petition calling for the newspaper to fire Taranto - launched on Monday by the nonprofit rape survivor group SurvJustice - has already gathered more than 1,400 signatures.

"Supporting rape and rapists is not journalism!" the petition reads. "The Wall Street Journal is giving a platform to a rape apologist. James Taranto is supporting men who are perpetrating sexual violence against intimate partners and intoxicated individuals."

According to a report by the White House Council on Women and Girls released on Jan. 21, one in five U.S. women were victims of sexual assault in college. And according to the Rape, Abuse & Incest National Network, one out of every six women will have been a victim of an attempted or completed rape in her lifetime.

Taranto has something of a history of controversial columns. His latest comes less than a month after President Barack Obama announced the formation of a task force to combat sexual assault on college campuses following the administration's successful crackdown on the rapes that occur in the military - something that Taranto previously argued was "an effort to criminalize male sexuality" and a "war on men."

That column, published in June 2013, was greeted with a similar backlash.

The Wall Street Journal did not return a request for comment. Taranto did not return an email or Twitter message seeking comment.

by on Feb. 12, 2014 at 11:04 AM
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sweet-a-kins
by Emerald Member on Feb. 12, 2014 at 3:39 PM
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 More rapost supporting

I feel sorry for women because of people like you, anything to excuse the man and blame the woman

If no one knows what happened, than there wouldn't be a rape charge

That is not usually the case

Quoting masonmomma: So a women being to inebriated is ok but a man being to inebriated to understand is not? What constitutes as consent? What if neither remember what actually happened?

Quoting sweet-a-kins:

 If two drunk drivers are in a collision, one doesn't determine fault on the basis of demographic details such as each driver's sex," Taranto writes. "But when two drunken college students 'collide,' the male one is almost always presumed to be at fault."


 


In the case of 2 drunk drivers, they are both commiting a crime. and therefor both should be charged


In the case of a woman not given consent because she is too drunk .... she commited no crime.


If the sexes are reversed, the charges would be the same.


 


Quoting masonmomma: Seriously? Of course someone possibly lying and how easy it would be for them to do so isn't the topic. You need to go look it up instead of being so stuck in your delusions. The question is, how do you know it's not the female? If neither remembers shit YOU DON'T. But as the system stands now, that doesn't matter. If you need me to give you links on male rape our makes who say they were wrongly accused and convicted based solely on the women's inebriated words, then you're living under a rock.


Quoting sweet-a-kins:

 Please link a case where that was the argument.



I have never heard that. and No, I never said a make couldnt be raped.



and that isn't what we are discussing.



Rapist supports make me want to vomit



Quoting masonmomma: Maybe I wasn't clear. How do you know in these cases it wasn't the female forcing herself on the male? Or can males not be raped?



Quoting sweet-a-kins:

 If you commit a crime while drunk, from hitting someone in your car to physical assaults to robbery/theft...you are STILL charged with a crime.




Saying you were to drunk to be responsible for your ACTIONS doesn't work.




In the case of someone being DRUNK and GETTING raped - that person did NOTHING illegal and nothing that would harm another person.....




 




Please provide a case where it was unknown who was the rapist




Quoting masonmomma: Not trying to start a debate just wanted to pose a question. All are obviously welcomed to answer of course.
So if both parties are so dunk they don't know what's going on how do we know who is raping who?





Quoting mikiemom:


Umm because the man is the one raping the woman. WTF - this is another example of our disgusting Rape culture.





this man can not be trusted to be alone with women period.




 



 


 

 

masonmomma
by on Feb. 12, 2014 at 3:41 PM
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Omg you're hopelessly delusional.

Quoting sweet-a-kins:

 More rapost supporting


I feel sorry for women because of people like you, anything to excuse the man and blame the woman


If no one knows what happened, than there wouldn't be a rape charge


That is not usually the case


Quoting masonmomma: So a women being to inebriated is ok but a man being to inebriated to understand is not? What constitutes as consent? What if neither remember what actually happened?


Quoting sweet-a-kins:

 If two drunk drivers are in a collision, one doesn't determine fault on the basis of demographic details such as each driver's sex," Taranto writes. "But when two drunken college students 'collide,' the male one is almost always presumed to be at fault."



 



In the case of 2 drunk drivers, they are both commiting a crime. and therefor both should be charged



In the case of a woman not given consent because she is too drunk .... she commited no crime.



If the sexes are reversed, the charges would be the same.



 



Quoting masonmomma: Seriously? Of course someone possibly lying and how easy it would be for them to do so isn't the topic. You need to go look it up instead of being so stuck in your delusions. The question is, how do you know it's not the female? If neither remembers shit YOU DON'T. But as the system stands now, that doesn't matter. If you need me to give you links on male rape our makes who say they were wrongly accused and convicted based solely on the women's inebriated words, then you're living under a rock.



Quoting sweet-a-kins:

 Please link a case where that was the argument.




I have never heard that. and No, I never said a make couldnt be raped.




and that isn't what we are discussing.




Rapist supports make me want to vomit




Quoting masonmomma: Maybe I wasn't clear. How do you know in these cases it wasn't the female forcing herself on the male? Or can males not be raped?




Quoting sweet-a-kins:


 If you commit a crime while drunk, from hitting someone in your car to physical assaults to robbery/theft...you are STILL charged with a crime.





Saying you were to drunk to be responsible for your ACTIONS doesn't work.





In the case of someone being DRUNK and GETTING raped - that person did NOTHING illegal and nothing that would harm another person.....





 





Please provide a case where it was unknown who was the rapist





Quoting masonmomma: Not trying to start a debate just wanted to pose a question. All are obviously welcomed to answer of course.
So if both parties are so dunk they don't know what's going on how do we know who is raping who?






Quoting mikiemom:



Umm because the man is the one raping the woman. WTF - this is another example of our disgusting Rape culture.






this man can not be trusted to be alone with women period.





 




 



 


 

SuperChicken
by on Feb. 12, 2014 at 5:53 PM

You look at the video - someone will have recorded it. 

There are times when you can't tell IF both parties can truly not remember.   

That's why I said up above that I have concerns about my son when he reachs college.  

Quoting masonmomma: Two people wake up. Neither remember the previous night. Someone tells girl she had sex with so and so. She cries rape but doesn't remember exactly what happened. Guy doesn't remember what happened either. Others at the party claim they were all over each other. Who raped who?

Quoting SuperChicken:

How to tell if you were the rapist or the victim:   If you're the one making the moves, you're probably the rapist.   If your hands are on the other person, willingly, then you're the rapist.  If your mouth is on the other person, then you're the rapist.  If your genitals are touching the other person willingly, then you're the rapist.  If you're being touched sexually by someone else's hands, mouth, genitals, unwillingly or while you're too inebriated to communicate if you're willing then you're the victim.   

If in doubt - keep yourself to yourself.  

Quoting masonmomma: Not trying to start a debate just wanted to pose a question. All are obviously welcomed to answer of course.

So if both parties are so dunk they don't know what's going on how do we know who is raping who?




Quoting mikiemom:

Umm because the man is the one raping the woman. WTF - this is another example of our disgusting Rape culture.



this man can not be trusted to be alone with women period.



SuperChicken
by on Feb. 12, 2014 at 6:00 PM
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So if you're drunk it's okay for anyone to do anything they want to you and if you can't fight them off or really remember the details, too bad so sad you deserved to be raped? 

I get that crying rape when it wasn't rape is wrong - I have a son, I'm concerned.   But the idea that women who drink should have no recourse if they ARE raped is disgusting.   Disgusting and terrifying. 

Quoting tooptimistic:

That happens all the time in college!!  Guess who life is ruined? The boys.  Guess who gets a free pass?  The girls.  If you have had so much to drink you can't control yourself or remember what you did or didn't do, don't cry rape.  Young women drink just as much and the young men, then blame everyone but themselves when they make bad decision.  I  totally see the comparison to drinking and driving.

Quoting masonmomma: Two people wake up. Neither remember the previous night. Someone tells girl she had sex with so and so. She cries rape but doesn't remember exactly what happened. Guy doesn't remember what happened either. Others at the party claim they were all over each other. Who raped who?

Quoting SuperChicken:

How to tell if you were the rapist or the victim:   If you're the one making the moves, you're probably the rapist.   If your hands are on the other person, willingly, then you're the rapist.  If your mouth is on the other person, then you're the rapist.  If your genitals are touching the other person willingly, then you're the rapist.  If you're being touched sexually by someone else's hands, mouth, genitals, unwillingly or while you're too inebriated to communicate if you're willing then you're the victim.   

If in doubt - keep yourself to yourself.  

Quoting masonmomma: Not trying to start a debate just wanted to pose a question. All are obviously welcomed to answer of course.

So if both parties are so dunk they don't know what's going on how do we know who is raping who?




Quoting mikiemom:

Umm because the man is the one raping the woman. WTF - this is another example of our disgusting Rape culture.



this man can not be trusted to be alone with women period.




masonmomma
by on Feb. 12, 2014 at 6:06 PM
Your kidding right. Someone will always have recorded the sexual act. Lol

Quoting SuperChicken:

You look at the video - someone will have recorded it. 

There are times when you can't tell IF both parties can truly not remember.   

That's why I said up above that I have concerns about my son when he reachs college.  

Quoting masonmomma: Two people wake up. Neither remember the previous night. Someone tells girl she had sex with so and so. She cries rape but doesn't remember exactly what happened. Guy doesn't remember what happened either. Others at the party claim they were all over each other. Who raped who?



Quoting SuperChicken:

How to tell if you were the rapist or the victim:   If you're the one making the moves, you're probably the rapist.   If your hands are on the other person, willingly, then you're the rapist.  If your mouth is on the other person, then you're the rapist.  If your genitals are touching the other person willingly, then you're the rapist.  If you're being touched sexually by someone else's hands, mouth, genitals, unwillingly or while you're too inebriated to communicate if you're willing then you're the victim.   

If in doubt - keep yourself to yourself.  

Quoting masonmomma: Not trying to start a debate just wanted to pose a question. All are obviously welcomed to answer of course.


So if both parties are so dunk they don't know what's going on how do we know who is raping who?






Quoting mikiemom:

Umm because the man is the one raping the woman. WTF - this is another example of our disgusting Rape culture.




this man can not be trusted to be alone with women period.



SuperChicken
by on Feb. 12, 2014 at 6:18 PM

It's a bit tongue in cheek.  But really if you're saying there are other at the party who saw - you know someone pulled out their Iphone.   Is there ANYTHING that isn't recorded nowadays?

Quoting masonmomma: Your kidding right. Someone will always have recorded the sexual act. Lol

Quoting SuperChicken:

You look at the video - someone will have recorded it. 

There are times when you can't tell IF both parties can truly not remember.   

That's why I said up above that I have concerns about my son when he reachs college.  

Quoting masonmomma: Two people wake up. Neither remember the previous night. Someone tells girl she had sex with so and so. She cries rape but doesn't remember exactly what happened. Guy doesn't remember what happened either. Others at the party claim they were all over each other. Who raped who?



Quoting SuperChicken:

How to tell if you were the rapist or the victim:   If you're the one making the moves, you're probably the rapist.   If your hands are on the other person, willingly, then you're the rapist.  If your mouth is on the other person, then you're the rapist.  If your genitals are touching the other person willingly, then you're the rapist.  If you're being touched sexually by someone else's hands, mouth, genitals, unwillingly or while you're too inebriated to communicate if you're willing then you're the victim.   

If in doubt - keep yourself to yourself.  

Quoting masonmomma: Not trying to start a debate just wanted to pose a question. All are obviously welcomed to answer of course.


So if both parties are so dunk they don't know what's going on how do we know who is raping who?






Quoting mikiemom:

Umm because the man is the one raping the woman. WTF - this is another example of our disgusting Rape culture.




this man can not be trusted to be alone with women period.




tooptimistic
by Kelly on Feb. 12, 2014 at 6:21 PM
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I am not talking about four of five guys taking advantage of a drunk girl. If you are so drunk you don't know what you were doing or what happened, I think its really wrong to cry rape if you had a sex with guy.  That is what happens all the time.  Maybe these kids shouldn't drink to the point they have no idea what is going on.

Quoting SuperChicken:

So if you're drunk it's okay for anyone to do anything they want to you and if you can't fight them off or really remember the details, too bad so sad you deserved to be raped? 

I get that crying rape when it wasn't rape is wrong - I have a son, I'm concerned.   But the idea that women who drink should have no recourse if they ARE raped is disgusting.   Disgusting and terrifying. 

Quoting tooptimistic:

That happens all the time in college!!  Guess who life is ruined? The boys.  Guess who gets a free pass?  The girls.  If you have had so much to drink you can't control yourself or remember what you did or didn't do, don't cry rape.  Young women drink just as much and the young men, then blame everyone but themselves when they make bad decision.  I  totally see the comparison to drinking and driving.

Quoting masonmomma: Two people wake up. Neither remember the previous night. Someone tells girl she had sex with so and so. She cries rape but doesn't remember exactly what happened. Guy doesn't remember what happened either. Others at the party claim they were all over each other. Who raped who?

Quoting SuperChicken:

How to tell if you were the rapist or the victim:   If you're the one making the moves, you're probably the rapist.   If your hands are on the other person, willingly, then you're the rapist.  If your mouth is on the other person, then you're the rapist.  If your genitals are touching the other person willingly, then you're the rapist.  If you're being touched sexually by someone else's hands, mouth, genitals, unwillingly or while you're too inebriated to communicate if you're willing then you're the victim.   

If in doubt - keep yourself to yourself.  

Quoting masonmomma: Not trying to start a debate just wanted to pose a question. All are obviously welcomed to answer of course.

So if both parties are so dunk they don't know what's going on how do we know who is raping who?




Quoting mikiemom:

Umm because the man is the one raping the woman. WTF - this is another example of our disgusting Rape culture.



this man can not be trusted to be alone with women period.





meriana
by Platinum Member on Feb. 12, 2014 at 6:45 PM


Quoting coolmommy2x: Exactly! You can still have fun without getting so drunk that you don't know what's going on. BOTH parties need to be responsible.

Quoting FromAtoZ:

If one person, regardless if male or female, says no or if one is not able to consent, or otherwise, due to being too damn drunk to do so, the person moving forward needs to realize this and stop.

If one realizes, the next morning, what happened and is freaked out and claims rape.............................there is a hell of a lot of issues coming in to play with a scenario like that.

Best thing, don't get so damn drunk you aren't aware of what is going on around you.  Don't get so damn drunk you think you can do what ever you feel like doing.

But that isn't reality.

My thought too.  There is NEVER any excuse for someone to commit rape.  However, in the case of a gal being so drunk she either doesn' t really know what's going on or is passed out and saying maybe she should have been more responsible and not gotten so drunk is NOT victim blaming. It's simply stateing a fact. If a gal is not passed out and not so drunk she doesn't know what's going on around her, her chances of being harmed are greatly reduced.  Girls/women need to act responsibly too, not just boys/men. The problem with always completely relieving the girl of any and all responsiblity as to what happened to her in a "passed out or too drunk" senario is that it can lead to many young girls beginning to believe that they should be able to do anything they want, get passing out drunk if they want and if something bad happens to them, it will always be completely the fault of someone else. It would be better to teach our daughters and sons to treat themselves and others with respect, behave in a responsible manner and not knowingly put themselves in a situation where something horrible can happen in the first place. They ALL need to know that their actions can have very serious and horrible consequences and they and they alone are responsible for THEIR actions.

masonmomma
by on Feb. 12, 2014 at 6:54 PM
I did not say that.
So you really think all sexual interactions are recorded somehow?


Quoting SuperChicken:

It's a bit tongue in cheek.  But really if you're saying there are other at the party who saw - you know someone pulled out their Iphone.   Is there ANYTHING that isn't recorded nowadays?

Quoting masonmomma: Your kidding right. Someone will always have recorded the sexual act. Lol



Quoting SuperChicken:

You look at the video - someone will have recorded it. 

There are times when you can't tell IF both parties can truly not remember.   

That's why I said up above that I have concerns about my son when he reachs college.  

Quoting masonmomma: Two people wake up. Neither remember the previous night. Someone tells girl she had sex with so and so. She cries rape but doesn't remember exactly what happened. Guy doesn't remember what happened either. Others at the party claim they were all over each other. Who raped who?





Quoting SuperChicken:

How to tell if you were the rapist or the victim:   If you're the one making the moves, you're probably the rapist.   If your hands are on the other person, willingly, then you're the rapist.  If your mouth is on the other person, then you're the rapist.  If your genitals are touching the other person willingly, then you're the rapist.  If you're being touched sexually by someone else's hands, mouth, genitals, unwillingly or while you're too inebriated to communicate if you're willing then you're the victim.   

If in doubt - keep yourself to yourself.  

Quoting masonmomma: Not trying to start a debate just wanted to pose a question. All are obviously welcomed to answer of course.



So if both parties are so dunk they don't know what's going on how do we know who is raping who?








Quoting mikiemom:

Umm because the man is the one raping the woman. WTF - this is another example of our disgusting Rape culture.





this man can not be trusted to be alone with women period.




SuperChicken
by on Feb. 12, 2014 at 7:13 PM

You did say it in your example - see red below. 

No, I don't think all sexual interactions are recorded somehow.  Tongue in cheek means joking.  

Quoting masonmomma: I did not say that.
So you really think all sexual interactions are recorded somehow?


Quoting SuperChicken:

It's a bit tongue in cheek.  But really if you're saying there are other at the party who saw - you know someone pulled out their Iphone.   Is there ANYTHING that isn't recorded nowadays?

Quoting masonmomma: Your kidding right. Someone will always have recorded the sexual act. Lol



Quoting SuperChicken:

You look at the video - someone will have recorded it. 

There are times when you can't tell IF both parties can truly not remember.   

That's why I said up above that I have concerns about my son when he reachs college.  

Quoting masonmomma: Two people wake up. Neither remember the previous night. Someone tells girl she had sex with so and so. She cries rape but doesn't remember exactly what happened. Guy doesn't remember what happened either. Others at the party claim they were all over each other. Who raped who?





Quoting SuperChicken:

How to tell if you were the rapist or the victim:   If you're the one making the moves, you're probably the rapist.   If your hands are on the other person, willingly, then you're the rapist.  If your mouth is on the other person, then you're the rapist.  If your genitals are touching the other person willingly, then you're the rapist.  If you're being touched sexually by someone else's hands, mouth, genitals, unwillingly or while you're too inebriated to communicate if you're willing then you're the victim.   

If in doubt - keep yourself to yourself.  

Quoting masonmomma: Not trying to start a debate just wanted to pose a question. All are obviously welcomed to answer of course.



So if both parties are so dunk they don't know what's going on how do we know who is raping who?








Quoting mikiemom:

Umm because the man is the one raping the woman. WTF - this is another example of our disgusting Rape culture.





this man can not be trusted to be alone with women period.





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