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Jury in loud music murder trial struggling......

Posted by on Feb. 15, 2014 at 5:12 PM
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Jury in loud music murder trial 'struggling'

Jurors ask judge if they can reach a verdict on some counts, not on others

Author: By Tom Watkins and Eliott C. McLaughlin CNN
Published On: Feb 15 2014 08:43:15 AM GMT   Updated On: Feb 15 2014 10:05:00 PM GMT

Deliberations continue in loud music trial

 

(CNN) -

The jury weighing the fate of Michael Dunn -- the white man who shot into a SUV with black teens after he had asked them to turn down their music -- have reached a verdict on four counts, but not the fifth and most severe one, a judge said Saturday.

Judge Russell Healey announced around 4:45 p.m. that the 12 jurors had sent a note saying they'd decided on four of the five counts that Dunn faces. But they haven't unanimously reached a verdict "on count 1 or any of the lesser included offenses."

Count 1 is first-degree murder. Jurors could decide not to convict Dunn on that charge but instead find him guilty on lesser charges such as manslaughter.

After making his announcement, Healey then told the jury to continue their deliberations in hopes of a breakthrough on this crucial count.

If they still can't decide after some length of time -- perhaps a few more hours or days -- a hung jury on this count is possible.

Earlier Saturday, Healey had acknowledged that the jury of four white females, two black females, four white males, an Asian female and a Hispanic male was "struggling, obviously."

"But it's not for want of trying to reconcile all of this," the judge said. "I think we've got some analytical people in there who are trying to do just that -- trying to analyze this from every possible angle."

After these comments, the judge laid out and answered the questions the jury had submitted within half an hour of resuming its deliberations on Saturday morning.

Here's what jurors asked, and how he responded:

-- "Is the defense of self-defense separate for each person in each count?" Judge: "Yes."

-- "Are we determining if deadly force is justified against each person in each count?" Judge: "Yes."

-- "Or, if we determine deadly force is justified against one person, is it justified against the others?" Judge: "No. Self-defense and justifiable use of deadly force applies separately to each count."

Echoes of Trayvon Martin's death

It was November 23, 2012, when Michael Dunn pulled into a gas station in Jacksonville, parking next to a red SUV full of teenagers.

Loud music was coming from that car, and Dunn expressed his displeasure.

What came next is a subject of dispute. Clearly, there were words exchanged. And without doubt, Dunn ended up opening fire on the vehicle, killing Davis.

But did one of the teens flash a gun? Dunn says so, but prosecutors say that's not true -- pointing to the fact the teens were unarmed. And was the defendant acting in self-defense? Again, the two sides come to opposite conclusions.

Some have compared the Dunn case to the trial of George Zimmerman in the killing of Florida teenager Trayvon Martin, which, like the current trial, had racial overtones and claims of self-defense.

Martin's own parents have said as much, claiming Davis' killing is another reminder that in Florida, "racial profiling and stereotypes" may serve as the basis for illegitimate fear "and the shooting and killing of young teenagers."

But Dunn's defense attorney, Cory Strolla, told CNN's Chris Cuomo on Friday that the Zimmerman and Dunn cases aren't so similar.

There was a physical confrontation between Zimmerman and Martin, and police gave Zimmerman the benefit of the doubt about defending himself, Strolla said.

"My client did not wait to become that victim," he said. "My client did not wait to either get assaulted by a weapon or have someone potentially pull a trigger," he said.

Though a weapon was never found, Strolla maintains the youths could have had one. Dunn felt threatened and acted, he said.

"Now, does it sound irrational? Of course it sounds irrational. But have you ever been in that situation?" Strolla asked.

Given the attention and emotions tied to this case, a "comprehensive public safety plan" has been established ahead of a verdict, according to the Duval County joint information center handling the Dunn trial.

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This SOB will probably walk.

by on Feb. 15, 2014 at 5:12 PM
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FromAtoZ
by AllieCat on Feb. 15, 2014 at 5:12 PM


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"All contingencies have been planned for," the statement said. "We will not discuss the specifics of any security plan. We will continue to protect the rights of those who choose to peaceably demonstrate."

Whatever the verdict, Davis' parents, Ron Davis and Lucia McBath, will never see their son again, they noted, adding, "We know that pain all too well. We walk with Jordan in defining his legacy to reflect our hopes by advancing love and tolerance in his memory, and continuing the fight against unjust gun laws."

 

"Tomorrow is my boy's 19th birthday," his mother tweeted Saturday. "I pray we will celebrate not only him but a just and righteous verdict. Patiently we wait."


Bonnie_
by Bronze Member on Feb. 15, 2014 at 5:29 PM
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I dunno.  I am really beginning to thing that in order to qualify  for jury duty  in the state of Florida  you have to pass the Extreme Dumbass  test.

ashellbell
by shellbark on Feb. 15, 2014 at 5:30 PM
Smh. How sad.
SuperChicken
by on Feb. 15, 2014 at 5:32 PM
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So disheartening. 

mjmorrison
by Bronze Member on Feb. 15, 2014 at 5:37 PM
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having been a juror in the past , what was reported in the media and what was presented in court was two separate things. without actually being in the courtroom it's hard to make an accurate determination of events. that is why crimes are tried in a court of law and not the court of popular opinion.

mikiemom
by Ruby Member on Feb. 15, 2014 at 5:42 PM
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This should have been open and shut and if there weren't racists on the panel it would be.

poietes
by Bronze Member on Feb. 15, 2014 at 5:50 PM
I agree. This is why juries are scrutinized so much durning selection. They look for people not emotionally invested and ones that can look at the facts and what the law actually says and not what they think it should say.

Quoting mjmorrison:

having been a juror in the past , what was reported in the media and what was presented in court was two separate things. without actually being in the courtroom it's hard to make an accurate determination of events. that is why crimes are tried in a court of law and not the court of popular opinion.

FromAtoZ
by AllieCat on Feb. 15, 2014 at 6:02 PM
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Quoting mjmorrison:

having been a juror in the past , what was reported in the media and what was presented in court was two separate things. without actually being in the courtroom it's hard to make an accurate determination of events. that is why crimes are tried in a court of law and not the court of popular opinion.

Very true.

I just hope that this jury gets it right.

This State is truly concerning.

krysstizzle
by on Feb. 15, 2014 at 6:03 PM
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I understand that the media does not detail all of the case as it is presented in the courtroom.

But I'm having a really hard time understanding why, as a society, we feel it's ok for armed men to shoot and kill unarmed teenageers. I'm just boggled on this. 

FromAtoZ
by AllieCat on Feb. 15, 2014 at 6:05 PM


Quoting krysstizzle:

I understand that the media does not detail all of the case as it is presented in the courtroom.

But I'm having a really hard time understanding why, as a society, we feel it's ok for armed men to shoot and kill unarmed teenageers. I'm just boggled on this. 

They are only thugs, they deserve it. Meh................

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