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Mississippi Governor Signs Ban on Abortions After 20 Weeks

Posted by on Apr. 24, 2014 at 9:29 AM
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Mississippi Gov. Phil Bryant has signed a bill that would ban abortions after 20 weeks of pregnancy and protect unborn babies who feel tremendous pain during an abortion procedure.

The measure is similar to legislation pending in Congress and in other states that points to the pain babies feel in abortions as a reason to ban them. The bill, which bans abortions after five months of pregnancy passed in both the state House and Senate, by a 41-10 margin.

ultrasound4d30“Late term abortions are deadly for both mother and child,” noted Americans United for Life president Charmaine Yoest. “A woman seeking an abortion at 20 weeks (five months) is 35 times more likely to die from abortion than she was in the first trimester. At 21 weeks or more, she is 91 times more likely to die from abortion than she was in the first trimester. Such horrendous statistics show the wisdom of the Mississippi legislators who moved today to enact common-sense limits on a dangerous procedure.”

Diane Derzis, who owns Mississippi’s only abortion clinic, promised someone would file a legal challenge to the bill if it becomes law.

A National Right to Life Committee poll found that 63 percent of Americans, and 70 percent of women, support a ban on post-fetal pain abortion. The same poll also found that American women, by an overwhelming majority of 62-27 percent, would be more likely to vote for lawmakers who support this bill.

The bill relies on the science of fetal pain to establish a Constitutional reason for Congress to ban abortions late in pregnancy. The science behind the concept of fetal pain is fully established and Dr. Steven Zielinski, an internal medicine physician from Oregon, is one of the leading researchers into it. He first published reports in the 1980s to validate research showing evidence for it.

He has testified before Congress that an unborn child could feel pain at “eight-and-a-half weeks and possibly earlier” and that a baby before birth “under the right circumstances, is capable of crying.”

He and his colleagues Dr. Vincent J. Collins and Thomas J. Marzen  were the top researchers to point to fetal pain decades ago. Collins, before his death, was Professor of Anesthesiology at Northwestern University and the University of Illinois and author of Principles of Anesthesiology, one of the leading medical texts on the control of pain.

“The functioning neurological structures necessary to suffer pain are developed early in a child’s development in the womb,” they wrote.

“Functioning neurological structures necessary for pain sensation are in place as early as 8 weeks, but certainly by 13 1/2 weeks of gestation. Sensory nerves, including nociceptors, reach the skin of the fetus before the 9th week of gestation. The first detectable brain activity occurs in the thalamus between the 8th and 10th weeks. The movement of electrical impulses through the neural fibers and spinal column takes place between 8 and 9 weeks gestation. By 13 1/2 weeks, the entire sensory nervous system functions as a whole in all parts of the body,” they continued.

With Zielinski and his colleagues the first to provide the scientific basis for the concept of fetal pain, Dr. Kanwaljeet Anand of the University of Arkansas Medical Center has provided further research to substantiate their work.

“The neural pathways are present for pain to be experienced quite early by unborn babies,” explains Steven Calvin, M.D., perinatologist, chair of the Program in Human Rights Medicine, University of Minnesota, where he teaches obstetrics.

Dr. Colleen A. Malloy, Assistant Professor, Division of Neonatology at Northwestern University in her testimony before the House Judiciary Committee in May 2012 said, “[w]hen we speak of infants at 22 weeks LMP [Note: this is 20 weeks post fertilization], for example, we no longer have to rely solely on inferences or ultrasound imagery, because such premature patients are kicking, moving, reacting, and developing right before our eyes in the Neonatal Intensive Care Unit.”

“In today’s medical arena, we resuscitate patients at this age and are able to witness their ex-utero growth and development. Medical advancement and technology have enabled us to improve our ability to care for these infants…In fact, standard of care for neonatal intensive care units requires attention to and treatment of neonatal pain,” Dr. Malloy testified. She continued, “[t]hus, the difference between fetal and neonatal pain is simply the locale in which the pain occurs. The receiver’s experience of the pain is the same. I could never imagine subjecting my tiny patients to horrific procedures such as those that involve limb detachment or cardiac injection.”

Dr. Maureen Condic, who is Associate Professor of Neurobiology and Adjunct Professor of Pediatrics at the University of Utah School of Medicine, has testified that the unborn child is capable of reacting to pain as early as 8-10 weeks. This is when most abortions in America take place


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by Member on Apr. 24, 2014 at 9:31 AM
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As he should. I am pro choice but 20 weeks is dispicable imo. I didn't even know that was legal anywhere.
by #1 Raider fan on Apr. 24, 2014 at 9:46 AM

I too am pro choice. In 99.9% of the time 20 wk abortions  are totally unnecessary. I have read that there are some rare cases where it is needed. I would hate for it to happen to me or a loved one.

by Bronze Member on Apr. 24, 2014 at 9:50 AM

by Gold Member on Apr. 24, 2014 at 10:03 AM
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You are more likely to die from child birth than an abortion. And after I had my twins the doctors told me I shouldn't worry about them when they get their shots because they couldn't really feel pain yet. I didn't believe him until they got their shot and didn't flinch. They were born at 32 weeks.

by Woodie on Apr. 24, 2014 at 10:42 AM
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Are there medical exemptions?

by Whoopie on Apr. 24, 2014 at 10:47 AM
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Quoting Woodbabe:

Are there medical exemptions?

There should be.

I am sure this is the most pressing problem in Mississippi today.

by Member on Apr. 24, 2014 at 10:48 AM
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This law is ridiculous and, hopefully, will be found unconstitutional. The overwhelming majority of abortions performed after 20 weeks are medically warranted. The are performed because the fetus has severe abnormalities or because there is a danger to the mother's life. These bans hurt women who are already facing heartbreakingly difficult decisions.
by Silver Member on Apr. 24, 2014 at 10:49 AM
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With medical exemptions, I agree with this limitation.
by Maya on Apr. 24, 2014 at 10:54 AM
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What about medical exemptions?

A woman is more likely to die from childbirth than having an abortion, and even a late term one.

Fetuses aren't viable at 20 weeks gestation, so I think the law is ridiculous. It would be more fair to make abortion illegal after 23 or 24 weeks, which is the point of viability. However, late term abortions are generally performed for medical reasons. So, the law is baloney. People aren't just running down to abortion clinics at 30 weeks gestation for the hell of it.

But, I'm 100% pro choice. If a woman wants to have an abortion at 39 weeks for the hell of it, that's her choice. I don't agree with it. But, it's her prerogative.
by Maya on Apr. 24, 2014 at 10:56 AM
I wish. This governor is the pits. He wastes time on laws like this when most people in the state are impoverished, and jobs in some areas aren't easy to come buy, especially in rural towns in the Mississippi Delta.

Quoting Sisteract:

Quoting Woodbabe:

Are there medical exemptions?

There should be.

I am sure this is the most pressing problem in Mississippi today.

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