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Fact-checking Benghazi: The rhetoric hasn't matched up with reality

Posted by on May. 9, 2014 at 7:36 PM
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After the attack on a U.S. diplomatic mission in Benghazi, Libya, "the ambassador's body was dragged through the street."  

Laura Ingraham, Saturday, May 3rd, 2014.

Ruling: False | Details

Mostly False

In discussing the attacks on the U.S. consulate in Benghazi, Libya, "Ms. Rice did say 'a terrorist attack.' It’s not that she put the whole thing on the video."  

Cokie Roberts, Sunday, May 4th, 2014.

Ruling: Mostly False | Details

False

"The amount of attention paid this week to Chris Christie makes the coverage of Benghazi ... pale in significance."  

Karl Rove, Sunday, January 12th, 2014.

Ruling: False | Details

Pants on Fire!

The White House had a live video feed of the Benghazi attacks as they occurred.

David Dewhurst, Monday, October 14th, 2013.

Ruling: Pants on Fire! | Details

Pants on Fire!

An account of attacks in Benghazi written by former White House press secretary Dee Dee Myers shows that the body of U.S. Ambassador to Libya Christopher Stevens was "dragged through the streets" and abused.

Chain email, Wednesday, September 4th, 2013.

Ruling: Pants on Fire! | Details

Mostly False

"Republicans actually doctored emails between administration officials about Benghazi. Then, they released them to the press, trying to pass them off as real."

Democratic National Committee, Friday, May 24th, 2013.

Ruling: Mostly False | Details

Mostly False

Says Hillary Clinton "was asked repeatedly to provide security in Benghazi on several occasions, including direct cables."

Rand Paul, Sunday, May 19th, 2013.

Ruling: Mostly False | Details

False

"We had people that were getting killed (in Benghazi), we had people who are willing to risk their lives to go save them, and somebody told them to stand down."

Jason Chaffetz, Monday, May 6th, 2013.

Ruling: False | Details

Mostly False

"Over the last several months, there was a review board headed by two distinguished Americans, Mike Mullen and Tom Pickering, who investigated every element of" the Benghazi incident.

Barack Obama, Monday, May 13th, 2013.

Ruling: Mostly False | Details

Mostly False

When Susan Rice spoke about Benghazi on Sunday news shows, she said "that al-Qaida might be involved, or other al-Qaida affiliates might be involved, or non-al-Qaida Libyan extremists, which I think demonstrates that there was no effort to play that down."

Jay Carney, Friday, May 10th, 2013.

Ruling: Mostly False | Details

Half-True

Says President Obama waited two weeks to call the attack in Libya "terror."

Mitt Romney, Tuesday, October 16th, 2012.

Ruling: Half-True | Details

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4evrinbluejeans
by KK on May. 9, 2014 at 7:37 PM

Fact-checking Benghazi: The rhetoric hasn't matched up with reality

By Angie Drobnic Holan
Published on Friday, May 9th, 2014 at 11:36 a.m.

House Republicans want another investigation of the attacks in Benghazi, specifically whether the White House is withholding information on the attacks.

By some counts, it’s the eighth investigationinto the Sept. 11, 2012, attacks in Libya in which four Americans died, including the U.S. ambassador.

The vote to create a new select committee succeeded largely on a party-line vote, 232-186.

PolitiFact has been monitoring claims about the attacks since shortly after they occurred. The rhetoric has been highly politicized, focusing on whether the Obama administration downplayed the role of terrorists in the attacks.

What happened at Benghazi

Not up to speed on what happened in Benghazi? Here’s a history: Diplomatic workers staffed a temporary residential outpost in the Libyan city after the death of dictator Moammar Gadhafi. On a night the U.S. ambassador, Christopher Stevens, was visiting from the capital in Tripoli, armed Islamic terrorists attacked, setting a toxic diesel-fueled fire that killed the ambassador and a colleague. Americans then drove, chased by attackers, to a nearby annex, where a mortar attack in the morning killed two security contractors. By noon, hasty scrambling by the American and Libyan governments got U.S. workers to safety in Tripoli, along with their four dead comrades.

That "annex" was a compound used by the CIA. So, while we’ve seen unclassified reports from a State Departmentaccountability review board, a Senate committee and some House Republicans, and watched testimony before Rep. Darrell Issa’s House committee — there’s a layer of secrecy that daunts diplomats and lawmakers alike.

Obama’s reaction

Our first check on Benghazi was from a 2012 presidential debate, when Republican nominee Mitt Romney said it took President Barack Obama "14 days before he called the attack in Benghazi an act of terror."

Actually, Obama described it in those terms the day after the attack. But in the days that followed, neither he nor all the members of his administration spoke consistently on the subject. There were many suggestions that the attack was part of demonstrations over an American-made video that disparaged Islam. We rated Romney’s statement Half True.

Was there a chance to act that the White House didn’t take?

Other claims we’ve fact-checked focused on what happened the night of the attacks and afterward. Some have suggested that the administration could have acted to prevent the attacks and didn’t, but the claims we looked at were just wrong and didn’t match up with actual events.

Rep. Jason Chaffetz, R-Utah, suggested in May 2013 that the United States could have  prevented the deaths with military action. Here’s what he told Sean Hannity on Fox News:

"The administration including (Defense) Secretary (Leon) Panetta were very crystal clear, there were no military assets, but I got to tell you, we had proximity, we had capability, we had four individuals in Libya armed, ready to go, dressed about to get into the car to go in the airport to go help their fellow countrymen who were dying and being killed and under attack in Benghazi and they were told to stand down."    

By all accounts, though, this description doesn’t match the timeline of what happened in Benghazi. The four people in Benghazi were already dead when the decision was made to keep the special forces team in Tripoli. (We outline this in more detail in our fact-check.) The mortar attack was over. We rated this statement False.

Also last year, Texas Lt. Gov. David Dewhurst said President Obama should be impeached; one reason he gave was that the White House watched live video of the attacks while it was occurring. "I’m very concerned about Benghazi, in which all of the national news reporting indicated that live video was streaming into the White House," Dewhurst told a reporter.

Actually, there’s no evidence that there was live video. Administration officials have said repeatedly that there wasn’t, and government workers have put a lot of effort into looking for video that may have been captured on the ground in Libya. Other fact-checkers and journalists have debunked this claim as well. PolitiFact Texas rated Dewhurst’s statement Pants on Fire.

Was the ambassador’s body abused?

There also have been assertions that the ambassador’s body was abused as part of the attacks, but evidence doesn’t support that.

A chain email a reader sent us last year bizarrely claimed that Dee Dee Myers, the former press secretary to Bill Clinton, had a cousin in Benghazi on the night of the attacks who said Stevens’ body was "dragged through the streets" and abused. When we asked Myers about it, she said she didn’t have a cousin there and knew nothing about the email. We rated the claim Pants on Fire.

More recently, conservative pundit Laura Ingraham said this on ABC News’ This Week: "The ambassador's body was dragged through the street. Okay? It was beyond heartbreaking and beyond infuriating."

Three government reports and independent press accounts contradict that. Stevens was overcome by smoke from the fire, and Libyans brought him to a hospital where efforts to revive him failed. There are no credible reports of public abuse of his body. We rated her statementFalse.

 

Did Rice downplay terrorism?

Last year, Obama said that the facts behind the attacks had been thoroughly investigated by an independent review board, but he exaggerated how wide-ranging the review was.

"Over the last several months, there was a review board headed by two distinguished Americans, Mike Mullen and Tom Pickering, who investigated every element of" the Benghazi incident, he said.

We found that  the review board did not look at every element of the incident. It looked at most of the security matters involved, but it didn't look at who conducted the attacks or at the administration's public comments in the days following. We rated Obama's statement Mostly False.

Meanwhile, we also found accuracy problems with claims about what Susan Rice -- then the Ambassador to the United Nations, now Obama’s National Security Adviser -- said on the Sunday talk shows in the immediate aftermath of the attacks. Rice’s appearances were widely perceived as playing down the role of terrorists in the attacks.

In the more than 19 months since then, we’ve found a couple of claims that tried to gloss over Rice’s words.

Pundit Cokie Roberts on ABC’s This Week said: "When you read the transcript of those Sunday shows, actually Ms. Rice did say a ‘terrorist attack.’ It’s not that she put the whole thing on the video."

Our review of the transcripts from Rice’s appearances showed the opposite. She consistently emphasized the importance of the video, and the only times she brought up the possibility of a terrorist connection was to downplay it. We rated Roberts’ claim Mostly False.

Similarly, back in May 2013, White House Press Secretary Jay Carney said that when Rice spoke about Benghazi on the shows, she said "that al-Qaida might be involved, or other al-Qaida affiliates might be involved, or non-al-Qaida Libyan extremists, which I think demonstrates that there was no effort to play that down."

It’s true that Rice offered those three scenarios, but Carney is wrong to say she didn’t play them down. Rice said that the extremists didn’t pre-plan the attack, but instead hijacked a demonstration that was already under way. She barely mentioned the potential role of al-Qaida or one of its affiliates, and she urged caution about jumping to conclusions on the one occasion in which she did. We rated Carney’s claim Mostly False.

How did the media cover Benghazi?

 

We’ve also fact-checked claims about the media and how Benghazi has or hasn’t been portrayed.

Fox News host Bill O’Reilly, for example, denied accusing the White House of political motives in its early Benghazi response after Obama said he did. This exchange happened during an interview on Super Bowl Sunday in 2014:

O'Reilly:  "Your detractors believe that you did not tell the world it was a terror attack because your campaign didn't want that out."

Obama:  "Bill, think about..."

O'Reilly:  "That's what they believe."

Obama:  "-- and they believe it because folks like you are telling them that."

O'Reilly:  "No, I'm not telling them that."

Actually, O’Reilly consistently told viewers that someone was trying to mislead the American public. He repeatedly compared the situation to the impeachments of Richard Nixon and Bill Clinton. We rated his denial Mostly False.

Republican strategist Karl Rove, meanwhile, complained there was less coverage of Benghazi than to a scandal about a closed bridge in New Jersey connected to Gov. Chris Christie. The amount of attention paid to Christie makes the coverage of Benghazi "pale in significance," Rove said. We reviewed media coverage of Benghazi and Christie’s bridge problems, looking at it both in number and quality. We concluded the Benghazi coverage was more extensive. We rated Rove’s statement False.

Democrats, meanwhile, have charged that Republicans doctored emails in their efforts to continue attacking the White House on Benghazi.

"Republicans actually doctored emails between administration officials about Benghazi. Then, they released them to the press, trying to pass them off as real," the Democratic National Committee said in an email to its reporters.

When we asked, Democrats didn’t provide evidence that discrepancies about the emails resulted from anything more than sloppy note-taking, or that journalists had been snookered into believing they had seen the original messages. Their claim about doctoring evidence could use some evidence. We rated the claim Mostly False.

Did Hillary Clinton know that more security was needed?

On the issue of security at the outpost in Benghazi, U.S. Sen. Rand Paul put the blame on former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton.:

"I think it's pretty important that she accept blame for not providing security," Paul said. "She was asked repeatedly to provide security in Benghazi on several occasions including direct cables, and she says she never read the cables on security. I find that inexcusable and a dereliction of duty."

The State Department was asked repeatedly for additional U.S. security staff in Libya. But we see no evidence that Clinton herself was made aware of those requests. For example, there’s no "direct cable" that automatically appears on the secretary of state’s desk. Instead, all cables would have carried her name, and only those passed up the chain by staff would have reached her. She says they didn’t. Paul’s office didn’t provide evidence linking requests for security directly to Clinton. We found only evidence that requests were made of her department. We rate his statement Mostly False.

vanillalattemom
by Member on May. 9, 2014 at 7:51 PM
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They have 2 things that they try to use against Obama. Obamacare......which was really basically Romneycare, and Benghazi......which pales in comparison to embassy attacks and deaths during the Bush presidency. They are beating a dead horse and can't let go.
jcrew6
by Gold Member on May. 9, 2014 at 7:55 PM

All should be fact checked.  I have no problem with this.  But cherry picking and then grouping links together can attempt to sway opinion...  My question~Where is the fact checking of the most recent email the Obama admin redacted from Congressional requests for being supposedly confidential, but then when the FOIA applied to a private group it was released...  Only to stress the political importance of focusing on protests.  THEN~when questioned the Obama admin said the email had nothing to do with Benghazi.  Even though the subject of the email stated Benghazi.. The Obama Administration works for us, the CITIZENS of the United States.  They have, in this most recent FOIA release, demonstrated they cannot be trusted. 

ladymaleficent
by Member on May. 9, 2014 at 7:56 PM
That's a bunch of BS, this is what I use as my fact check, the interview with the parents where they said their kids felt different about this mission like they knew it could go wrong and they were not coming back, those boys were sent to die. They didn't go in a black hawk they went in a non military chopper, their blood will always be on this administration hands
Kaya529
by Bronze Member on May. 9, 2014 at 8:05 PM
I like that they went after everyone in this article rather than picking on one of them.
IandLoveandYou
by Bronze Member on May. 9, 2014 at 9:21 PM

At the risk of sounding insensitive, I'm looking forward to not hearing about Benghazi.... quite so much. Someday...

ETA:

I do appreciate truthiness though, but I think it falls on deaf ears or...blind eyes?

lga1965
by on May. 9, 2014 at 9:53 PM
Prove it. Or was this in a MASS E-mail ?


Quoting ladymaleficent: That's a bunch of BS, this is what I use as my fact check, the interview with the parents where they said their kids felt different about this mission like they knew it could go wrong and they were not coming back, those boys were sent to die. They didn't go in a black hawk they went in a non military chopper, their blood will always be on this administration hands
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ladymaleficent
by Member on May. 9, 2014 at 10:01 PM
Countless interviews

Quoting lga1965: Prove it. Or was this in a MASS E-mail ?


Quoting ladymaleficent: That's a bunch of BS, this is what I use as my fact check, the interview with the parents where they said their kids felt different about this mission like they knew it could go wrong and they were not coming back, those boys were sent to die. They didn't go in a black hawk they went in a non military chopper, their blood will always be on this administration hands
Goodwoman614
by Satan on May. 9, 2014 at 10:02 PM
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Quoting ladymaleficent: That's a bunch of BS, this is what I use as my fact check, the interview with the parents where they said their kids felt different about this mission like they knew it could go wrong and they were not coming back, those boys were sent to die. They didn't go in a black hawk they went in a non military chopper, their blood will always be on this administration hands

Lol, don't hurt yourself...thinking's not for everyone.

ladymaleficent
by Member on May. 9, 2014 at 10:06 PM
Okay you keep telling,g yourself to trust the government let me know how that works for ya

Quoting Goodwoman614:

Quoting ladymaleficent: That's a bunch of BS, this is what I use as my fact check, the interview with the parents where they said their kids felt different about this mission like they knew it could go wrong and they were not coming back, those boys were sent to die. They didn't go in a black hawk they went in a non military chopper, their blood will always be on this administration hands

Lol, don't hurt yourself...thinking's not for everyone.

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