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The Pick-Up Artist Community’s Predictable, Horrible Response to a Mass Murder

Posted by on May. 24, 2014 at 8:59 PM
KK
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The Pick-Up Artist Community’s Predictable, Horrible Response to a Mass Murder


On Friday night, a gunman killed six people in Santa Barbara, and the killer himself was found dead with a gunshot wound to his head. Soon after police began investigating the crime, 22-year-old student Elliot Rodger emerged as the main suspect. Like many modern mass murders, this one left a robust digital trail, including a video Rodger recently posted to YouTube where he parks his BMW in front of a bank of palm trees and describes his plan to seek retribution from the women who have rejected him. Rodger calls himself the “perfect guy” and a “supreme gentleman” who’s been overlooked by women who prefer “obnoxious brutes.” Then he lays out his plans to “enter the hottest sorority house of [the University of California, Santa Barbara], and … slaughter every single spoiled, stuck-up blonde slut I see inside there.” To “all those girls I’ve desired so much,” he says, “you will finally see that I am the superior one, the true alpha male.”

Rodger’s language is familiar to anyone who’s spent time exploring the Pick-Up Artist or Men’s Rights Activist communities. Rodger was a “Nice Guy,” a man who feels he is entitled to sex based on positive personality traits known only to him.  (“I've wanted love, affection, adoration. You think I’m unworthy of it. That's a crime that can never be forgiven,” he said). He aspired to be an “Alpha," the most attractive, dominant man in his group, but felt he’s been wrongly dismissed as an inferior “Beta.” Pick-Up Artists, by the way, refer to women they would like to have sex with as their “targets.”

Rodger was also allegedly a member of PUAHate.com, a website for men who feel they’ve been tricked by the Pick-Up Artist pyramid scheme, which takes men’s money and promises to teach them how to have sex with women. (And not just any woman, but one who scores at least a 7 on the PUA decimal rating scale of female attractiveness.) PUA Hate is a community devoted to criticizing the Pick-Up Artist movement and “the scams, deception, and misleading marketing techniques used by dating gurus and the seduction community to deceive men and profit from them." It is not, however, interested in putting an end to the PUA community’s objectification of women; it simply complains that the tips and tricks don’t work.

When Katie J.M. Baker dipped into the site’s forums in 2012, she “failed to find one user who wondered whether women are unfairly targeted (as well as stereotyped, pigeonholed, and marketed) by the seduction community. Nope! On their predominately male, heterosexual planet it's the poor, gullible men who are the true victims.” It’s still “women in general,” she found, “who are the villains to these outcasts.” As one poster on PUA Hate puts it in his sign-off: “Women are a scam.”

I do not blame the Pick-Up Artist community (or its somehow even more deeply tortured counterpart, the Anti-Pick-Up-Artist community) for the deaths of seven people. The man who committed this horrific crime is responsible for this heinous act. But I was interested to see how these groups are reacting to the news. It is disturbing, if not surprising, that they are using these murders to reinforce their hatred of women and “Beta” men, and to cement their own status at the top of the pyramid.

When news of the shooting broke, PUA Hate members attempted to absolve themselves by critiquing Rodger’s sex appeal (“Short lower third and gay midface, with zero brow ridge,” one decided), ridiculing his mother’s looks, and scrambling to assert authority among themselves. (“Only high-T guys should be allowed to give advice here. Nich, can you add that as a rule?” one poster said). Another poster suggested that Rodger was such a Beta that no one would care if he’d murdered people. “Nobody gives a shit about some socially deprived, narrow-clavicle twink with a delusional sense of self. He's a poser,” he said. “Nothing will come of this, you sensationalist losers. Certainly not national coverage.”

The shooting, of course, made international news, and the forums that Rodger seems to have participated in quickly attempted to distance themselves from him by scrubbing his contributions. PUAHate.com shut down its forums “for maintenance” and rickrolled visitors. BodyBuilding.com, another site where Rodger allegedly posted, also deleted his contributions from its boards.

PUAs who were not immediately connected to Rodger were quick to capitalize on the news, suggesting that if Rodger had been a more devoted PUA protégé, they could have gotten him laid and prevented violence against women. A PUA site called Strategic Dating Coach—which sells DVDs on how to “turn a conversation with a woman sexual in no time flat”—commented on one of Rodgers’ YouTube videos, where he despairs about his dating life as he films a couple kissing in Santa Barbara. “THIS is why we do what we do,” Strategic Dating Coach weighed in. “TO PREVENT THIS SHIT!!! He should have gone to our website and got our personal dating coaching or purchased one of our products. IF ANYONE NEEDS HELP, CONTACT US! Don't ‘suffer injustice.’ ”

Members of Pick-Up Artist RooshV’s forums piled on. “Game saves lives,” one member said. “I'm trying to think of ways our enemies will come after us because of this, but if anything, we're the solution to this sort of murder rampage,” Roosh himself weighed in. “He is self-delusional and massively entitled, but exposing him to game may have saved lives.” The site’s reminder about its comment moderation in the wake of the shooting is all about how to avoid infiltration by members of PUA Hate, not rooting out hatred in its own ranks. (At least one contributor was making some sense when he wrote: “No amount of game could have helped.")

Why did seven people die in Santa Barbara last night? It would be wrong to pin the crime on Internet forums that indulge in self-hatred, then project it on to everyone else. But they’re certainly not the solution. Misogyny and violence against women is a social problem as well as an individual one. The fact that these men see “game” as the remedy to all personal and social ills is perhaps the greatest indictment of the way they view the world.

by on May. 24, 2014 at 8:59 PM
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4evrinbluejeans
by KK on May. 24, 2014 at 9:01 PM

I've clearly been out of the dating circle for too long.  I had no idea there was a Pick Artist Community.  Based on their ridiculous response to yesterday's violence I can see why these men may struggle with societal norms and dating.  They seem really out of touch.  

jllcali
by on May. 24, 2014 at 9:17 PM
Oh gee, why on earth do any of these guys have any difficulty with women. They sound like winners......
AllieKat
by Member on May. 24, 2014 at 9:22 PM
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Omg I know a guy who talks like the nice guy type. Feels girls only want assholes and he is perfect bf material and that girls are shallow. He doesn't realize he goes after unavailable women and out of his league to be honest. It has always creeped me the fuck out.
turtle68
by Mahinaarangi on May. 24, 2014 at 9:23 PM
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 oh blech.  What is with todays men and women.  Everyone wants a 10 when they themselves are a 2.

These guys need a reality check.

mehamil1
by Platinum Member on May. 24, 2014 at 9:31 PM

Man-boy can't handle that the world isn't served to him on a fucking platter. Can't handle that life isn't easy for him. Doesn't like that his own behavior is what caused women to be like fuck off, which means it's obviously the women's fault since he posses a golden penis. 

What a fucking tool. I normally have a smidgen of compassion for some of these mass murderers (mainly the ones with severe mental illness and just didn't have it treated the way it should have been treated) but this one, no. He was a piece of misogynistic shit. Good riddance asshole. Had to take a bunch of women out with you you coward? Fuck him and all the men like him. 

mehamil1
by Platinum Member on May. 24, 2014 at 9:32 PM
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I don't think this is a modern problem. I think this is a cultural problem that's been going on for eons. Rooted in sexism. 

Quoting turtle68:

 oh blech.  What is with todays men and women.  Everyone wants a 10 when they themselves are a 2.

These guys need a reality check.

mehamil1
by Platinum Member on May. 24, 2014 at 9:35 PM
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I had a guy say that to me once, that he was a "nice" guy and he always finished last. 

I responded with "Boo fucking hoo. You don't finish last because you're "nice", you finish last because you say stupid shit like this and no woman wants to hear that winey bullshit. Also, do you think we're "nice machines" and if you put in enough "nice" that sex will come out? Is that how you think this works? Grow a fucking spine, stop complaining, wash your fucking hair (it was super greasy) and stop acting like an asshole." - and just walked away. I hope he didn't then go on to kill anyone. 

Quoting AllieKat: Omg I know a guy who talks like the nice guy type. Feels girls only want assholes and he is perfect bf material and that girls are shallow. He doesn't realize he goes after unavailable women and out of his league to be honest. It has always creeped me the fuck out.
mehamil1
by Platinum Member on May. 24, 2014 at 9:41 PM
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They really don't like how times have changed in that women now have choices. Since we aren't chained to not having control over our reproduction and we are more or less employed and have disposable income, which means we are in no way dependent on the menfolk for our food and housing, we have these uppity notions. And standards. The losers have lost a lot of privilege and they hate that. 

Also, these kinds of guys have been around for awhile. One of these men was a character in Sense and Sensibility by Jane Austen. John Willoughby had Marianne Dashwood wrapped around his finger and then dropped her like a sack of potatoes in favor of a woman who had a lot of money. That pretty much broke Marrianne's heart. She was taken in by a pretty man who said pretty things to her. These assholes have always existed. 

Quoting 4evrinbluejeans:

I've clearly been out of the dating circle for too long.  I had no idea there was a Pick Artist Community.  Based on their ridiculous response to yesterday's violence I can see why these men may struggle with societal norms and dating.  They seem really out of touch.  

krysstizzle
by on May. 24, 2014 at 9:42 PM
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I've read a few different things on the Pick Up community and the scum that inhabit it. Seriously, a sadder bunch of losers with entitlement issues never existed. It's both pathetic and disturbing. 

mehamil1
by Platinum Member on May. 24, 2014 at 9:47 PM
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I think I came across one. Not sure though. He subtly insulted my hair. It's a tactic of theirs, put a girl down and that makes her more vulnerable and you can then scoop in. It relies on finding girls with low self esteem. I was like dude, my hair is awesome. Are you blind? Look at how thick and shiny it is. I have ridiculously good hair. - then walked away. You don't get to insult me. Ever. That's not how I roll. 

Quoting krysstizzle:

I've read a few different things on the Pick Up community and the scum that inhabit it. Seriously, a sadder bunch of losers with entitlement issues never existed. It's both pathetic and disturbing. 

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