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Couple Denied Right to Marry

Posted by on Jun. 6, 2014 at 4:10 AM
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Not just for the gays anymore. Pretty soon people are going to use the religious objection excuse to deny services to people or types of people they dislike. And no one will have any recourse.
Could you even imagine that furor if a court official was Muslim and insisted that all prospective citizens who apply for marriage in the courthouse come to his personal mosque for him to officiate their "courthouse" wedding ceremony?
This guy deserves to be fired from a cannon.



http://www.addictinginfo.org/2014/05/31/marriage-only-for-christians/

Marriage is a right that belongs to any consenting adults. But an over-religious court official in Virginia has a message for atheists and any other non-Christian: you have no right to get married if you don’t believe in God.
Bud Roth is a court appointed officiant in Franklin County, Virginia. He performs wedding ceremonies for couples who go to the courthouse to get married. Atheists, however, have no right to get married as far as he’s concerned.


When Morgan Strong and Tamar Courtney contacted the county courthouse to seal their love for each other after six years together, they were directed to Roth. Roth refused to perform the ceremony at the courthouse and only agreed to marry the couple if they tied the knot at his church. A deal was struck and the cost and date were set. Strong and Courtney would go through the legal part of the ceremony at Roth’s church. That’s when the whole situation turned ugly.
Roth asked the couple about their religious beliefs and upon hearing that he would be performing a ceremony for an atheist and an agnostic, turned the couple away. Why? Because they “didn’t know where God was.” That’s right, Roth refused to marry the couple out of sheer religious bigotry. Disappointed, Morgan and Courtney decided to discuss the situation with Roth and they kindly recorded the conversation.
Upon asking why Roth denied them their right to wed, he replied:
“Because she’s agnostic and you’re an atheist. I will not marry you. You don’t believe in God… I just don’t marry anyone who does not believe in God [or] believes that there is a God someplace. So I’m not going to talk the issue over with you and I’m not going to argue about it, okay? I’m just not going to marry you. Correct?”

The couple contacted the county clerk, who was floored by their story. She suggested they contact the judge who appointed Roth in the first place. So they wrote a letter to Judge William Alexander who didn’t see any problem at all with a court officiant refusing to marry a couple simply because they don’t share his religious beliefs. The judge referred the couple to the other court appointed officiant who agreed to perform the civil ceremony this coming Monday.
But this incident raises serious concerns.
First, a civil servant is supposed to serve the public. That means anyone. As long as a couple has a marriage license, there shouldn’t be any problem.
Second, religious discrimination is wrong no matter the venue, but for it to occur at a courthouse by a court official is totally unacceptable. People go to get married at a courthouse to avoid religious pomp and circumstance and because it’s quicker. They don’t go there to have religion shoved down their throats. That’s why my wife and I married at a courthouse. Not because we didn’t believe in a god, but because we didn’t want religion to dominate our day.

Roth was wrong to refuse to perform the ceremony just because Morgan and Courtney don’t share his beliefs. He was also wrong to require them to get married at his church. He’s a COURT-APPOINTED OFFICIANT, for crying out loud! He’s a courthouse employee. Therefore, anyone who wishes to marry at the courthouse should be married at the courthouse. Even if he’s the one asked to perform the ceremony. He’s paid by taxpayers to do this task. He’s not paid to drag couples to church or to refuse to marry a couple because of his own religious beliefs.
Separation of church and state is clearly being violated here by both Judge Alexander and Roth. If Roth were a private citizen, then he could refuse to marry anyone. But in this case, he’s NOT a private citizen. The people of Franklin County, Virginia should be embarrassed and outraged by this and they should demand a change be made. Because once religious discrimination infects our courts, anyone is at risk to have their rights and freedoms trampled on by self-righteous pricks in the name of Christianity.


Edited to add a couple of paragraph breaks. And to say I stole this from flika in another group.
by on Jun. 6, 2014 at 4:10 AM
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mikiemom
by Ruby Member on Jun. 6, 2014 at 8:23 AM
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I think the person should no longer be allowed to marry anyone in the state of Virginia. He is court appointed not ordained there is a huge difference. I would not expect a priest or paster to marry someone in their church that did not agree with their religion but I do expect a civil servant to do the job without hestiation.

momtoscott
by Platinum Member on Jun. 6, 2014 at 8:37 AM
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I wonder if he was making extra money by requiring couples to marry at his church.  I hope he's fired for refusing to perform his job.  

There are weird aspects to the story--why did the couple agree to a noncourthouse location?  I don't understand why that wasn't a huge red flag to them and why they didn't say, no, marry us here in the courthouse like you're supposed to.      

numbr1wmn
by Nikki on Jun. 6, 2014 at 9:26 AM
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This judge needs to be removed if it's this in the city level. 

finnbar
by Silver Member on Jun. 6, 2014 at 9:39 AM
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This is just weird. A civil ceremony has nothing to do with Christianity
GLWerth
by Gina on Jun. 6, 2014 at 10:04 AM
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If your religion keeps you from doing your job, then you should find another job.

This goes for any religion and any person. If you are a pharmacist and you refuse to dispense medication based on your religious views: get another job.

If you are a guy whose job it is to perform marriage ceremonies and your religion requires you to be a giant douchebag about it and refuse to actually DO your job, then get another one.

Now, if your employer can switch you to a position that doesn't require the thing you cannot do because you must bludgeon people with your religious beliefs, then, they should make that accommodation if at all possible.

stringtheory
by Gold Member on Jun. 6, 2014 at 10:08 AM
At least he's consistent.
WesternNYmom
by Silver Member on Jun. 6, 2014 at 10:58 AM

This guy needs to be replaced. If his religious beliefs keep him from performing his duties, which include marrying couples who may not share his ideals, then he needs to find another job.  Maybe his church has a full time postion for him.

sweet-a-kins
by Emerald Member on Jun. 6, 2014 at 11:09 AM
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 YES

Quoting GLWerth:

If your religion keeps you from doing your job, then you should find another job.

This goes for any religion and any person. If you are a pharmacist and you refuse to dispense medication based on your religious views: get another job.

If you are a guy whose job it is to perform marriage ceremonies and your religion requires you to be a giant douchebag about it and refuse to actually DO your job, then get another one.

Now, if your employer can switch you to a position that doesn't require the thing you cannot do because you must bludgeon people with your religious beliefs, then, they should make that accommodation if at all possible.

 

..MoonShine..
by Redwood Witch on Jun. 6, 2014 at 11:14 AM
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I agree!! 

Quoting GLWerth:

If your religion keeps you from doing your job, then you should find another job.

This goes for any religion and any person. If you are a pharmacist and you refuse to dispense medication based on your religious views: get another job.

If you are a guy whose job it is to perform marriage ceremonies and your religion requires you to be a giant douchebag about it and refuse to actually DO your job, then get another one.

Now, if your employer can switch you to a position that doesn't require the thing you cannot do because you must bludgeon people with your religious beliefs, then, they should make that accommodation if at all possible.


NWP
by guerrilla girl on Jun. 6, 2014 at 11:24 AM

Wow...What hubris!

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