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4500 lives and billions of dollars for nothing!!

Posted by on Jun. 12, 2014 at 12:20 PM
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The Obama administration once again appears to have been caught off guard by an explosion of violence in a country U.S. forces helped liberate from a dictator. 

Al Qaeda-aligned Sunni militants were advancing south and threatening to move on Baghdad on Thursday after overrunning the northern Iraq cities of Mosul and Tikrit -- with Iraqi government forces in rapid retreat. 

White House and State Department officials say the Obama administration is considering sending additional aid, but have not specified what that might be. The Iraqi government reportedly is seeking U.S. airstrikes. Republican lawmakers and military analysts are urging the administration to quickly piece together a gameplan, but warn that advances made by the militant Islamic State of Iraq and Syria (ISIS) are confirming their "worst fears" about what would happen in the wake of the Obama-ordered U.S. troop withdrawal in 2011. 

Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., said Thursday that the current national security team is a "failure," urging President Obama to get a "new team." He also took a shot at Gen. Martin Dempsey, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, saying: "We need a new chairman." 

The escalating violence follows repeated assurances by the Obama administration that Al Qaeda is "on the run" and that its offshoots are not the threat they're made out to be. 

As recently as Monday, State Department spokeswoman Marie Harf said of the situation in northern Iraq, "I don't get the sense that they're gaining a lot of territory." 

Obama also brushed off concerns about Al Qaeda affiliates during an interview with The New Yorker, in a piece published in January. 

"If a jayvee team puts on Lakers uniforms, that doesn't make them Kobe Bryant," the president said. That was in regard to concerns, at the time, that Islamist militants had taken over Fallujah -- the comment also followed Islamist militants overrunning the U.S. compound in Benghazi, Libya, killing four Americans. 

Yet in Iraq, militants with ISIS have made considerable gains since January. (They were listed in 2004 by the State Department as a terrorist organization under their old name, Al Qaeda in Iraq, shortly after the group formed.) 

Gen. Jack Keane, former Army vice chief of staff and Fox News military analyst, said the administration has not put enough effort into forming a "comprehensive strategy" to partner with governments in the region to share intelligence and battle Al Qaeda affiliates. 

"This caliphate exists, and it will be the most menacing thing in the Middle East if unattended," Keane said. 

He acknowledged that the administration has "decimated" the Al Qaeda leadership in Pakistan to a degree. But he said: "The fact of the matter is the Al Qaeda and its affiliates ... is on the rise in the Middle East and in Africa." 

Keane also said the U.S. lost leverage with Iraqi Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki, whom Keane said needs to be saved "from himself." U.S. lawmakers have faulted Maliki's Shiite-led government for alienating the Sunni minority, in turn fueling tensions and giving Sunni militants an opening to exploit. 

The Wall Street Journal reported that, privately, administration officials acknowledge they were caught off guard by the sudden developments in northern Iraq, where security forces abandoned their posts and militants overran key locations. 

Military leaders reportedly said they thought Iraq's forces could hold off ISIS -- they were wrong. 

Amid the deliberations, congressional Republicans continue to fume over the administration's response to the terror attack in Benghazi in 2012, for which nobody has yet been brought to justice, and have launched a formal select committee investigation. 

The developments also follow President Obama foreign policy speech last month at the U.S. Military Academy at West Point where he backed a policy of restraint abroad and called for a wind-down of U.S. "military adventures." 

Few expect that U.S. ground troops would be dispatched to Iraq, no matter how dire the situation becomes. 

At issue now, among other things, is whether to provide more military aid and approve airstrikes. Maliki reportedly has sought U.S. airstrikes, but so far has been turned down. 

A statement from the National Security Council made no commitment. 

"We are not going to get into details of our diplomatic discussions but the Government of Iraq has made clear that they welcome our support in their effort to confront [ISIS]," spokeswoman Bernadette Meehan said. "We have expedited shipments of military equipment since the beginning of the year, ramped up training of Iraqi Security Forces, and worked intensively to help Iraq implement a holistic approach to counter this terrorist threat.  Our assistance has been comprehensive, is continuing, and will increase." 

White House Press Secretary Jay Carney, in a statement overnight, offered "condolences" to the families of those killed, but did not specify what actions the administration would take. 

"The United States will stand with Iraqi leaders across the political spectrum as they forge the national unity necessary to succeed in the fight against ISIL," he said, adding "we will also continue to provide, and as required increase, assistance to the Government of Iraq to help build Iraq's capacity to effectively and sustainably stop [ISIS's] efforts to wreak havoc in Iraq and the region." 

To date, the U.S. has provided considerable military assistance. The State Department said Wednesday that that has included: 300 Hellfire missiles, millions of rounds of small arms ammunition, machine guns, grenades, rifles and more. Officials say the U.S. also supplied Bell IA-407 helicopters and is set to send over F-16 fighter jets. 

A statement from Sens. John McCain, R-Ariz.,; Lindsey Graham, R-S.C.; and Kelly Ayotte, R-N.H., blamed the current situation on the U.S. decision to withdraw all troops from Iraq. 

"We call on the president to explain to Congress and the American people how he plans to address the growing threat to our homeland and our national security interests posed by the rapidly expanding Al-Qaeda safe haven in Iraq and Syria," they said.

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wymama610
by Bronze Member on Jun. 12, 2014 at 12:23 PM
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http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2014/06/12/militant-gains-in-iraq-catch-obama-administration-by-surprise/


What are we doing??? Why are we repeating Vietnam? Regardless of whether the war was "right" or not in your eyes, we invested time, money, and lives to remove an evil dictator and restore freedom in an unstable country. Now we are just abandoning all we did, and everything our soldiers died for? This to me is just sickening.


what say you?

MsDenuninani
by Silver Member on Jun. 12, 2014 at 12:37 PM
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I say that if the Iraqi Prime Minister keeps excluding Sunnis from local and national government, this will keep happening.

In the meantime, we're basically being blackmailed to take care of Iraq.  It makes me angry, honestly.

sweet-a-kins
by Emerald Member on Jun. 12, 2014 at 12:59 PM
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 We never restored freedom

We should have never been there and THIS is why.

We go back..for what? for more dead soldiers and civilians and another 10 years and another TRILLION (not Billion OP) ...

No Thanks I'll pass

Quoting wymama610:

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2014/06/12/militant-gains-in-iraq-catch-obama-administration-by-surprise/

 

What are we doing??? Why are we repeating Vietnam? Regardless of whether the war was "right" or not in your eyes, we invested time, money, and lives to remove an evil dictator and restore freedom in an unstable country. Now we are just abandoning all we did, and everything our soldiers died for? This to me is just sickening.

 

what say you?

 

sweet-a-kins
by Emerald Member on Jun. 12, 2014 at 1:00 PM
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 Which was a forseeable outcome

Thanks to the former war criminals in office this is a giftthat will keep on giving

Quoting MsDenuninani:

I say that if the Iraqi Prime Minister keeps excluding Sunnis from local and national government, this will keep happening.

In the meantime, we're basically being blackmailed to take care of Iraq.  It makes me angry, honestly.

 

meriana
by Platinum Member on Jun. 12, 2014 at 1:36 PM
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Quoting MsDenuninani:

I say that if the Iraqi Prime Minister keeps excluding Sunnis from local and national government, this will keep happening.

In the meantime, we're basically being blackmailed to take care of Iraq.  It makes me angry, honestly.

Yep, Neither group wants to share government, they both want complete control which means, essentially, that they don't want a democratic type of government. That could possibly go back to the very nature of their beliefs and their way of life for generations. Democracy is not something that can be forced on a nation, the people, ALL the people of a nation have to want it and want it badly enough to allow people and groups they disagree with to have their say and their place in governing roles and decisions.

I can't figure out what people expect us to do, keep troops over there and fight indefinitly? If they haven't settled the problems by now, chances are they won't in the near future. Keeping troops there wouldn't solve the problems.

numbr1wmn
by Nikki on Jun. 12, 2014 at 1:45 PM
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 http://www.reasons-for-war-with-iraq.info/

On December 17, 1998 The Washington Post reported, "The opening U.S. attack against Iraq yesterday involved more than 200 cruise missiles launched from ships in the Persian Gulf and scores of bombs dropped from aircraft flying from the carrier USS Enterprise against targets across the country, defense officials said. With the strikes planned to last at least three days and possibly longer, officials said U.S. and British warplanes stationed in Persian Gulf states and B-52 bombers operating out of the Indian Ocean island of Diego Garcia would join the effort, which aims to pummel a broad range of targets critical to Iraq's weapons manufacturing and President Saddam Hussein's hold on power."    link

In an August 3, 1999 interview, Richard Butler, former chief weapons inspector for UNSCOM, said that Saddam Hussein had an "addiction" for weapons of mass destruction.    video

On September 8, 2001 the Washington Times wrote about a recently declassified semiannual CIA report covering the period from July to December of 2000. The CIA reported to congress that, "In the absence of UNSCOM or other inspections and monitoring since late 1998, we remain concerned that Iraq may again be producing biological warfare agents. Iraq has continued working on its L-29 unmanned aerial vehicle (UAV) program, which involves converting L-29 jet trainer aircraft originally acquired from Eastern Europe. It is believed that Iraq has conducted flights of the L-29, possibly to test system improvements or to train new pilots. These refurbished trainer aircraft are believed to have been modified for delivery of chemical or, more likely, biological warfare agents." The CIA reported that, "Although we were already concerned about a reconstituted nuclear weapons program, our concerns were increased last September when Saddam publicly exhorted his 'Nuclear Mujahidin' to 'defeat the enemy'."    link   link

On November 25, 2001 The Washington Post wrote an article with details regarding Iraq's germ warfare program. According to the article, U.N. weapons inspectors got their first glimpse of Iraq's biological weapons program during an August 1991 inspection of Salman Pak, one of Iraq's premier biological weapons facilities. Iraqi documents later obtained by the United Nations indicated that Baghdad subsequently filled more than 50 bombs and missile warheads with a liquid form of anthrax. The Washington Post also reported that Iraq acknowledged producing at least 19,000 liters of botulinum toxin, using more than half to fill at least 116 bombs and missile warheads.    link

On September 12, 2002 George W. Bush gave a speech before the United Nations. Armed with a point-by-point list of Saddam Hussein's transgressions included in a White House paper entitled "A Decade of Deception and Defiance" of the United Nations, the President detailed how Saddam continued to develop weapons of mass destruction, engage in egregious human-rights violations, participated in international terrorism, and sought to evade economic sanctions and kept Kuwaiti property that should have been returned after the 1991 Gulf War.    video   link  link

On September 24, 2002, the British government released a report titled "Iraq's Weapons of Mass Destruction: The Assessment of the British Government." It was the judgement of the British government that Iraq had: continued to produce chemical and biological agents; tried covertly to acquire technology and materials which could be used in the production of nuclear weapons; sought significant quantities of uranium from Africa; and had learnt lessons from previous UN weapons inspections and had already begun to conceal sensitive equipment and documentation in advance of the return of inspectors. In his January 28, 2003 State of the Union address, George Bush said, "The British government has learned that Saddam Hussein recently sought significant quantities of uranium from Africa." This quote would later be referred to as his "famous 16 words."    link   link

United Nations weapons inspectors returned to Iraq on November 27, 2002 for the first time since December 1998. In February 2003, one month prior to the outbreak of war, 14 shells containing mustard gas were destroyed in Iraq under UN supervision. According to the official United Nations report (page 30), samples taken from these shells showed the mustard gas produced over 15 years earlier was not degraded and "still of high quality."    link

On March 19, 2003 President George Bush announced, "My fellow citizens, at this hour, American and coalition forces are in the early stages of military operations to disarm Iraq, to free its people and to defend the world from grave danger." Bush said, "We will meet that threat now, with our Army, Air Force, Navy, Coast Guard and Marines, so that we do not have to meet it later with armies of fire fighters and police and doctors on the streets of our cities."    video   link

During the 9/11 hearings, former Clinton Defense Secretary William Cohen testified that the manager of a chemical weapons plant in Sudan (which was funded by Osama bin Laden and later destroyed by U.S. cruise missiles on Aug. 20, 1998) met in Baghdad with an Iraqi nerve gas expert.    link   video   link

On May 17, 2004, the U.S. military said a roadside bomb containing sarin nerve agent had recently exploded near a U.S. military convoy. The discovery of nerve gas was followed by a second revelation from the military that another shell, equipped with mustard gas, had been found two weeks earlier.    video   link

On January 25, 2006, Former Iraqi General Georges Sada gave an interview to FOXNews regarding Iraq's missing WMDs. Sada, a top military advisor and the number two man in the air force, claims that Iraq's chemical weapons were moved to Syria prior to the war. Georges Sada is the author of the book called, "Saddam's Secrets: How an Iraqi General Defied and Survived Saddam Hussein."    video   link   link

On April 12, 2006 the White House issued a press release in response to an article in the Washington Post that criticized the administration's claims about weapons of mass destruction and the justifications for war. It stated, "The Washington Post cites Iraqi WMD evidence as the only reason offered by President Bush for unseating Saddam Hussein..... But the President provided many other reasons for liberating Iraq." The press release from the White House listed six other reasons for the war: 1) Saddam Hussein Violated United Nations Security Council Resolutions; 2) Patrolling The UN-Mandated No-Fly Zone, U.S. And Coalition Forces Were Regularly Attacked; 3) Saddam Hussein Brutalized Iraq's Civilian Population; 4) Saddam Hussein Supported And Harbored Terrorist Organizations; 5) Saddam Hussein Had A History Of Pursuing And Using WMD; and 6) Removing Saddam Hussein Brought Freedom To The Heart Of The Middle East.    link   link

WMD found in Iraq. On June 21, 2006, Senator Rick Santorum (R, PA) called press conference and stated, "We have found weapons of mass destruction in Iraq, chemical weapons." Reading from a declassified report Santorum said, "Since 2003, coalition forces have recovered approximately 500 weapons munitions which contain degraded mustard or sarin nerve agent. Despite many efforts to locate and destroy Iraq's pre-Gulf War chemical munitions, filled and unfilled pre-Gulf War chemical munitions are assessed to still exist."    video   video   link

On January 28, 2011 United States Central Command (CENTCOM) declassified information regarding weapons of mass destruction (WMD) found in Iraq after the war. This information was obtained under a Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) request and the report received stated that 4,251 various types of CBRN (chemical, biological, radiological, and nuclear) weapons were found by multinational forces after the war. This count included filled as well as empty munitions. The report stated this number was not an official count as CENTCOM does not receive information from other government agencies. It is also possible additional weapons were found after the requested report as the information was dated December 2008 and (from the report) it appears chemical weapons were still being found in Iraq as late as October of that year.   link   link   link   link

On February 25, 2014 the Department of Defence declassified some information regarding Iraq's biological weapons program. A site exploitation team discovered 300 bags of castor beans at the Al Aziziyah Warehouse. A declassified report noted that castor beans could be used to make ricin poisen and it determined these were probably an element of lraq's CBW program. Another declassifed report stated that more than 80 vials of material were found in a baby milk container under the sink at a scientist's home. The vials contained clostridium botulinum, clostridium perfringens, bacillus thuringensis israelis, and other unidentified cultures. The report stated that Dr. Rihab Taha kept "good material" and worked on an anthrax program. The report concluded, "Materials could be used as seed-stock for restarting a BW program. Storage of cultures at homes indicates an intent to maintain a BW capability despite UN restrictions."    link

 

Read the whole link it's interesting and more informative for you.

Quoting sweet-a-kins:

 

 

VooDooB
by weird cheese on Jun. 12, 2014 at 1:48 PM
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Impossible.

Obama told us that Al Qaeda has been decimated.

He said it. So it is so.
VooDooB
by weird cheese on Jun. 12, 2014 at 1:52 PM
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Obama also brushed off concerns about Al Qaeda affiliates during an interview with The New Yorker, in a piece published in January. 

"If a jayvee team puts on Lakers uniforms, that doesn't make them Kobe Bryant," the president said. That was in regard to concerns, at the time, that Islamist militants had taken over Fallujah -- the comment also followed Islamist militants overrunning the U.S. compound in Benghazi, Libya, killing four Americans






Obama's knowledge on these matters never fails to make me want to vomit. Fucking idiot.
Friday
by HRH of MJ on Jun. 12, 2014 at 2:07 PM
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 Wait, when our troops left Iraq and some cheered Obama for it, they were told Obama just followed the Bush admins plans so he didn't deserve any credit but now that it's a mess it's Obama's fault?

The problems being experienced are why many opposed invading Iraq in the first place. Saddam was an evil POS but he kept the opposing factions in line and Iraq was fairly secular under him. Maybe one day we will lern to stop mucking about in their politics since we only spend lots of money and lives only for them to return to their drama when we leave.


H.R.H. Friday of MaryJane

sweet-a-kins
by Emerald Member on Jun. 12, 2014 at 2:12 PM
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 F*CKING YES!!!!

and many on here said EXACTLY that

Quoting Friday:

 Wait, when our troops left Iraq and some cheered Obama for it, they were told Obama just followed the Bush admins plans so he didn't deserve any credit but now that it's a mess it's Obama's fault?

The problems being experienced are why many opposed invading Iraq in the first place. Saddam was an evil POS but he kept the opposing factions in line and Iraq was fairly secular under him. Maybe one day we will lern to stop mucking about in their politics since we only spend lots of money and lives only for them to return to their drama when we leave.

 

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