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The Obama administration once again appears to have been caught off guard by an explosion of violence in a country U.S. forces helped liberate from a dictator. 

Al Qaeda-aligned Sunni militants were advancing south and threatening to move on Baghdad on Thursday after overrunning the northern Iraq cities of Mosul and Tikrit -- with Iraqi government forces in rapid retreat. 

White House and State Department officials say the Obama administration is considering sending additional aid, but have not specified what that might be. The Iraqi government reportedly is seeking U.S. airstrikes. Republican lawmakers and military analysts are urging the administration to quickly piece together a gameplan, but warn that advances made by the militant Islamic State of Iraq and Syria (ISIS) are confirming their "worst fears" about what would happen in the wake of the Obama-ordered U.S. troop withdrawal in 2011. 

Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., said Thursday that the current national security team is a "failure," urging President Obama to get a "new team." He also took a shot at Gen. Martin Dempsey, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, saying: "We need a new chairman." 

The escalating violence follows repeated assurances by the Obama administration that Al Qaeda is "on the run" and that its offshoots are not the threat they're made out to be. 

As recently as Monday, State Department spokeswoman Marie Harf said of the situation in northern Iraq, "I don't get the sense that they're gaining a lot of territory." 

Obama also brushed off concerns about Al Qaeda affiliates during an interview with The New Yorker, in a piece published in January. 

"If a jayvee team puts on Lakers uniforms, that doesn't make them Kobe Bryant," the president said. That was in regard to concerns, at the time, that Islamist militants had taken over Fallujah -- the comment also followed Islamist militants overrunning the U.S. compound in Benghazi, Libya, killing four Americans. 

Yet in Iraq, militants with ISIS have made considerable gains since January. (They were listed in 2004 by the State Department as a terrorist organization under their old name, Al Qaeda in Iraq, shortly after the group formed.) 

Gen. Jack Keane, former Army vice chief of staff and Fox News military analyst, said the administration has not put enough effort into forming a "comprehensive strategy" to partner with governments in the region to share intelligence and battle Al Qaeda affiliates. 

"This caliphate exists, and it will be the most menacing thing in the Middle East if unattended," Keane said. 

He acknowledged that the administration has "decimated" the Al Qaeda leadership in Pakistan to a degree. But he said: "The fact of the matter is the Al Qaeda and its affiliates ... is on the rise in the Middle East and in Africa." 

Keane also said the U.S. lost leverage with Iraqi Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki, whom Keane said needs to be saved "from himself." U.S. lawmakers have faulted Maliki's Shiite-led government for alienating the Sunni minority, in turn fueling tensions and giving Sunni militants an opening to exploit. 

The Wall Street Journal reported that, privately, administration officials acknowledge they were caught off guard by the sudden developments in northern Iraq, where security forces abandoned their posts and militants overran key locations. 

Military leaders reportedly said they thought Iraq's forces could hold off ISIS -- they were wrong. 

Amid the deliberations, congressional Republicans continue to fume over the administration's response to the terror attack in Benghazi in 2012, for which nobody has yet been brought to justice, and have launched a formal select committee investigation. 

The developments also follow President Obama foreign policy speech last month at the U.S. Military Academy at West Point where he backed a policy of restraint abroad and called for a wind-down of U.S. "military adventures." 

Few expect that U.S. ground troops would be dispatched to Iraq, no matter how dire the situation becomes. 

At issue now, among other things, is whether to provide more military aid and approve airstrikes. Maliki reportedly has sought U.S. airstrikes, but so far has been turned down. 

A statement from the National Security Council made no commitment. 

"We are not going to get into details of our diplomatic discussions but the Government of Iraq has made clear that they welcome our support in their effort to confront [ISIS]," spokeswoman Bernadette Meehan said. "We have expedited shipments of military equipment since the beginning of the year, ramped up training of Iraqi Security Forces, and worked intensively to help Iraq implement a holistic approach to counter this terrorist threat.  Our assistance has been comprehensive, is continuing, and will increase." 

White House Press Secretary Jay Carney, in a statement overnight, offered "condolences" to the families of those killed, but did not specify what actions the administration would take. 

"The United States will stand with Iraqi leaders across the political spectrum as they forge the national unity necessary to succeed in the fight against ISIL," he said, adding "we will also continue to provide, and as required increase, assistance to the Government of Iraq to help build Iraq's capacity to effectively and sustainably stop [ISIS's] efforts to wreak havoc in Iraq and the region." 

To date, the U.S. has provided considerable military assistance. The State Department said Wednesday that that has included: 300 Hellfire missiles, millions of rounds of small arms ammunition, machine guns, grenades, rifles and more. Officials say the U.S. also supplied Bell IA-407 helicopters and is set to send over F-16 fighter jets. 

A statement from Sens. John McCain, R-Ariz.,; Lindsey Graham, R-S.C.; and Kelly Ayotte, R-N.H., blamed the current situation on the U.S. decision to withdraw all troops from Iraq. 

"We call on the president to explain to Congress and the American people how he plans to address the growing threat to our homeland and our national security interests posed by the rapidly expanding Al-Qaeda safe haven in Iraq and Syria," they said.

by on Jun. 12, 2014 at 12:20 PM
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wymama610
by Bronze Member on Jun. 14, 2014 at 1:45 PM
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I think a lot of people feel the way Carpy does. We did it in Korea, we SHOULD HAVE done it in Vietnam, and we should be doing it in Iraq. After investing time, money and many lives the least we can do is assist with a peacekeeping force, and proper training.

Quoting GLWerth:

Thanks for anwering, you are the only one who gave any response. 

Quoting Carpy:

I would have liked to see us stay engaged in a peacekeeping and support capacity with Iraq as well as Afghanistan.  If Obama had listened to military advisors on this, we would not be seeing Iraq spiraling out of control now.

Quoting GLWerth:

What do you want to see happen here? 

Do you want an eternal occupation? A puppet government? Kill everyone there and resettle the whole country with people who agree with 'democracy' at the end of a gun?

What do you want to see happen? What?

How many more lives are you willing to sacrifice for an unwinnable war? Are you willing to send your children there? Are you so hot for war that you need to have at least two going on at all times?

And if you are worried about Al-qaeda, why aren't you up in arms about Saudi Arabia and other 'allies' which support that organization?

Oh, wait, it isn't about any of that, is it?

Quoting numbr1wmn:

Because the UN said so?


Quoting GLWerth:

There was no real Al-qaeda presence there at that time either. 


The fact is, these sects have been fighting since they came into being and will continue to do so.


I wonder what people want done? Do they want to occupy two countries (Iraq and Afghanistan) forever in order to keep the violence under the radar? Because it has been there the whole time. 


Quoting Friday:

 Wait, when our troops left Iraq and some cheered Obama for it, they were told Obama just followed the Bush admins plans so he didn't deserve any credit but now that it's a mess it's Obama's fault?


The problems being experienced are why many opposed invading Iraq in the first place. Saddam was an evil POS but he kept the opposing factions in line and Iraq was fairly secular under him. Maybe one day we will lern to stop mucking about in their politics since we only spend lots of money and lives only for them to return to their drama when we leave.



wymama610
by Bronze Member on Jun. 14, 2014 at 1:50 PM
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Huh.

As much as I dislike some of the decisions Bush made, I don't see that at all. Can you expand on why you think he wanted an empire? How would that be accomplished exactly, and being that he could only be president for 8 yrs max, what was to happen to his empire when he left office? I never got the impression from Bush that he felt he was a King, ruling over an empire. Unlike another recent president..........


Quoting momtoscott:

Bush wanted an empire.  

Quoting Clairwil:

Quoting yourspecialkid:
Quoting Clairwil:
Quoting yourspecialkid:

 This is what you get when you put an amateur in charge of the world's best military....all hat and no exit strategy.


If there was no viable exit strategy, you can't blame that upon President Obama.


You're meant to devise your strategy (including how to exit) before starting the war.


As Bush was told.  Repeatedly.


 


There was no exit strategy because there was no plan to completely exit.  The situation in Iraq requires peacekeeping troops.  Obama just pulled the plug....despite being told what would unfold.  Like it or not, he owns the exit.


Bush intended to be tied there indefinitely?  He wanted an American colony?

sweet-a-kins
by Emerald Member on Jun. 14, 2014 at 4:30 PM
Funny, I mention race no where in my reply yet...YOU did

Quoting wymama610: Are you not so subtly implying it's because they are African? Black? Women?

What?

Do you honestly think we SHOULD intervene in Nigeria? Aside from tweeting sad faces of course..........


Quoting sweet-a-kins: Yet no one is saying go to Nigeria
Hmmm wonder why

Since Boko Haram kidnapped hundreds of schoolgirls in Nigeria, the terror group has taken at least 1,000 lives in what may be the deadliest killing spree by a single terrorist group since Sept. 11.
http://nbcnews.to/1y02T4Z
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wymama610
by Bronze Member on Jun. 14, 2014 at 5:06 PM
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*chuckles*


Apparently it is racial for you. I gave you an option of geographical region, race or sex. YOU picked out what you wanted. Good to see some things never change with you. 

Quoting sweet-a-kins: Funny, I mention race no where in my reply yet...YOU did
Quoting wymama610: Are you not so subtly implying it's because they are African? Black? Women? What? Do you honestly think we SHOULD intervene in Nigeria? Aside from tweeting sad faces of course..........
Quoting sweet-a-kins: Yet no one is saying go to Nigeria Hmmm wonder why Since Boko Haram kidnapped hundreds of schoolgirls in Nigeria, the terror group has taken at least 1,000 lives in what may be the deadliest killing spree by a single terrorist group since Sept. 11. http://nbcnews.to/1y02T4Z


sweet-a-kins
by Emerald Member on Jun. 14, 2014 at 7:01 PM
Lol nope YOU said it

And really? What was your previous profile name and why were you forced to changed it?

Booted?


Quoting wymama610:

*chuckles*

Apparently it is racial for you. I gave you an option of geographical region, race or sex. YOU picked out what you wanted. Good to see some things never change with you. 

Quoting sweet-a-kins: Funny, I mention race no where in my reply yet...YOU did

Quoting wymama610: Are you not so subtly implying it's because they are African? Black? Women?

What?

Do you honestly think we SHOULD intervene in Nigeria? Aside from tweeting sad faces of course..........


Quoting sweet-a-kins: Yet no one is saying go to Nigeria
Hmmm wonder why

Since Boko Haram kidnapped hundreds of schoolgirls in Nigeria, the terror group has taken at least 1,000 lives in what may be the deadliest killing spree by a single terrorist group since Sept. 11.
http://nbcnews.to/1y02T4Z

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Carpy
by Ruby Member on Jun. 14, 2014 at 10:26 PM

America does not colonize.  We learned first hand what that was like from the British,.

Quoting Clairwil:


Quoting yourspecialkid:
Quoting Clairwil:
Quoting yourspecialkid:

 This is what you get when you put an amateur in charge of the world's best military....all hat and no exit strategy.

If there was no viable exit strategy, you can't blame that upon President Obama.

You're meant to devise your strategy (including how to exit) before starting the war.

As Bush was told.  Repeatedly.

 

There was no exit strategy because there was no plan to completely exit.  The situation in Iraq requires peacekeeping troops.  Obama just pulled the plug....despite being told what would unfold.  Like it or not, he owns the exit.


Bush intended to be tied there indefinitely?  He wanted an American colony?



LauraKW
by "Dude!" on Jun. 15, 2014 at 12:52 PM
We didn't "liberate" Iraq. We destroyed its infrastructure.
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