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Chris Matthews shreds ‘ideologues’ Bush and Cheney for sowing seeds of chaos in Iraq

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By Arturo Garcia
Friday, June 13, 2014 21:01 EDT

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MSNBC host Chris Matthews tore into former President George W. Bush and Vice President Dick Cheney on Friday, accusing them of putting Iraq on the road toward its current crisis by invading the country in 2003.

“We were united after 9/11. They were the ones who divided us,” Matthews said. “They were the ones who divided Iraq into the two warring factions we see today battling for control of Baghdad. They were the ones who went into Iraq and took apart the Iraqi army, the Iraqi government, the Iraqi establishment, and replaced it with a sectarian bunch primarily interested in getting even with their fellow Iraqis.”

The current Shia regime, Matthews said earlier on his show, was on the verge of being overrun completely by the Sunni insurgent group calling itself the Islamic State of Iraq and Syria (ISIS), which has taken over several large cities and has announced its intentions to advance upon the capital, Baghdad. Matthews described this recent wave of violence as the latest episode in years of strife.

“Just look at the spectacle of Saddam Hussein being hanged [in 2006] to a jeering of a mob of Shiites engaged in something we should’ve had no part of,” Matthews said.

But it was American “neo-cons,” Matthews argued, who instigated that turmoil by rushing the U.S. into war there from a position of aggression that contradicted the country’s ideals.

“I will never understand how a president so limited in his ability or sense of history as George W. Bush, a vice-president as uncharismatic as Dick Cheney, or a band of unelected ideologues could so screw this country to the wall of history as the band that ran things in the early years of this century,” he said.


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by on Jun. 14, 2014 at 11:49 PM
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shannonnigans
by Platinum Member on Jun. 15, 2014 at 1:09 PM
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The lesson that is seemingly never learned is that you better plan for the aftermath as carefully if not moreso than you plan for the war. In this case, the existing political and religious divisions were simply ignored and/or swept under the rug by the Bush admin. When you think of the sheer numbers of people killed as a result, including our own, it's staggering. These recent events might well bring it out to the forefront as the epic debacle and crime that it really was.
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AdrianneHill
by Platinum Member on Jun. 15, 2014 at 1:18 PM
, UK foreign Secretary Jack Straw



Is it just me or does the name Jack Straw strike anyone else as kinda creepy and ominous sounding? Just saying.
momtimesx4
by Silver Member on Jun. 15, 2014 at 1:31 PM

What many fail to realize is those seeds go back much further than W. 

Look past that, around 1989 and results of the Iran/Iraq war and the U.S. involvement in it which is furthertied to 1979 and the fall of the Shah/Hostage situation.  Keep going back to 1973 Oil Crisis as an aftermath of the Nixon Shock.  In reality it can go back to the turn of the century and the discovery of oil in that region in terms of modern geopolitical relationships.

But hey, no one really wants to really dig into the regions history, much easier to blame Bush.  Catchier slogan.

momtimesx4
by Silver Member on Jun. 15, 2014 at 1:31 PM

 

Quoting AdrianneHill: , UK foreign Secretary Jack Straw Is it just me or does the name Jack Straw strike anyone else as kinda creepy and ominous sounding? Just saying.

 

Not really.  Now, if his last name was Boot...perhaps.

AdrianneHill
by Platinum Member on Jun. 15, 2014 at 1:33 PM
It's a great name for a murderous scarecrow

Quoting momtimesx4:

 



Quoting AdrianneHill: , UK foreign Secretary Jack Straw Is it just me or does the name Jack Straw strike anyone else as kinda creepy and ominous sounding? Just saying.


 



Not really.  Now, if his last name was Boot...perhaps.

Clairwil
by Ruby Member on Jun. 15, 2014 at 3:12 PM
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Quoting Goodwoman614:
Quoting Clairwil:

Remember the pivot point?

Monday, 10 March, 2003, 22:19 GMT

France will use Iraq veto

France has joined Russia in declaring itself ready to veto a new UN resolution which gives Iraqi leader Saddam Hussein until 17 March to disarm.

French President Jacques Chirac said his country would vote against any resolution that contains an ultimatum leading to war.


There were many pivot points, where the war could have been stopped. This is where the slide of the fourth estate really solidified itself as bankrupt in it's duty to the people.

There were many points where the war could have been stopped, right up to the moment where boots were put on foreign soil.

But the French veto was the moment when it became clear that the USA wouldn't get UN backing.  That it didn't have the same mandate as the 1st gulf war.

That, in my opinion, is the point at which it became blindingly clear that, if the USA went in, it would been seen by many as an occupier rather than a liberator, and that exiting cleanly would be very difficult, if not impossible.

jobseeker
by Bronze Member on Jun. 15, 2014 at 7:09 PM

 righteous indignation

I am sure he feels better after his rant, and some people will stand and cheer.  What does this accomplish?  It further divides us as a nation. 

George has been out of the WH for more years than he was in.  GW has been out for 6 years.  Clinton did not bring peace to the region, neither has obama.

Now what?  do we go back? do we stay away? do we sent money that we don't have?  This loud rant serves NO PURPOSE!!  When are we going to stop pointing fingers at each other [ that goes for BOTH sides of the aisle and BOTH parties] stop blaming and start doing something!

PinkButterfly66
by Silver Member on Jun. 15, 2014 at 7:20 PM
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He forgot to include Rumsfeld in that fuck fest.

RandRMomma
by Maya on Jun. 16, 2014 at 12:37 AM
Well, he's right.
snookyfritz
by Platinum Member on Jun. 16, 2014 at 8:47 AM

I think the invasion of Iraq was the biggest mistake we have ever made.  We destroyed the most stable(at the time) country in the region and then sit back years later scratching our heads when things go to shit.  

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