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Saudi King Condemns Gaza War but Not Israel

Posted by on Aug. 4, 2014 at 4:11 PM
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Saudi Arabia's King Abdullah condemned the war in Gaza Friday as a "collective massacre" and a crime against humanity, but stopped short of directly condemning Israel for its ground campaign against Hamas.

Unlike past Gaza wars, including the devastating 2008 offensive, the Saudi monarch did not condemn Israel outright for the conflict, which officials say has killed at least 1,500 Palestinians, mainly civilians, since it began on July 8. Israel says 63 of its soldiers and three civilians in Israel have been also killed.

Instead King Abdullah appeared to suggest that both Israel and Hamas were responsible, saying that the violence in Gaza has led to "various forms" of terrorism whether from groups, organizations or states.

"All of this is happening while the international community is watching silently with all its institutions and organizations, including human rights organizations," he said in prepared remarks read out by a presenter on state television. "This silence has no justification."

But the king did not call for any specific action to be taken against Israel in his remarks.

The 90 year-old monarch's apparent balancing act was indicative of the recent shift in regional politics, where Egypt's leadership and other states opposed to Islamist parties have cracked down on groups such as the Muslim Brotherhood, which spawned Hamas. They have also warned their citizens against joining radical Jihadi groups running rampant in places like Iraq and Syria.

In his remarks, the king pressed Muslim leaders to unite against extremism, saying terrorists are wrongfully carrying out deadly acts in the name of Islam and tarnishing the religion's "purity and humanity."

His remarks appeared to be directed at groups like the Islamic State and its allies, which have taken over territory in Iraq and Syria and whose fighters view the Western-allied Saudi ruling family as enemies.

"It is shameful and disgraceful that these terrorists are doing this in the name of religion, killing the people whose killing Allah has forbidden, and mutilating their bodies and feeling proud in publishing this," the statement said. "They have distorted the image of Islam with its purity and humanity and smeared it with all sorts of bad qualities by their actions, injustice and crimes."

The swing in Saudi rhetoric, particularly toward Israel, is rooted in the turmoil that swept through Egypt and saw the ousting of Islamist President Mohammed Morsi from power last year and the branding of the Muslim Brotherhood as a terrorist group — in Egypt and Saudi Arabia.

Regional divisions run deep.

Many countries in the region see the Brotherhood and its affiliated Islamist movements like Hamas as a direct threat to their rule. The two countries that had good ties with the Brotherhood, Qatar and Turkey, have strained ties with Egypt and oil-rich Gulf states. Egypt has in the past blamed Hamas for supporting the Brotherhood and of trying to destabilize the country when the group was ousted from power by the military.

Egypt's recent cease-fire initiative was accepted by Israel, and supported by Saudi Arabia and other states — but rejected outright by Hamas. U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry tried to bring in Qatar and Turkey, but that effort made little headway with the most of the Middle East, and Israel, still solidly behind the Egyptian plan.

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PerseyG
by Bronze Member on Aug. 4, 2014 at 5:57 PM
I would really like to know why I can hear crickets chirping.
1stmuslimah
by Silver Member on Aug. 4, 2014 at 10:06 PM

Saudi Kingdom is two face's. Not the citizen's but the Kingdom. In the real mind set they are anti-Zionist and they make it known to their own people but on a national level because they don't want to lose USA as an ally they play anti-Zionist. This is only one reason why I have no respect for the Kingdom because they are two face's and corrupt on allot of things. When someone is two face's you never know when you will be stabbed in the back.

Now if you ever want to go to Saudi if you have an israeli stamp on your pass port you will not gain entry to Saudi because it is consider a fraudulent document because it is stamped as a place they say does not exist. Any one who has a career say in the oil industry for example if they need to visit Saudi for business's if they ever have to fly into Televe their employer has to obtain a special document for them so they will not have israeli stamp on pass port or later they can not enter Saudi as well as several country's

See how two face's they are ?

jcrew6
by Gold Member on Aug. 4, 2014 at 10:12 PM
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How many faces does Hamas have? 

Quoting 1stmuslimah:

Saudi Kingdom is two face's. Not the citizen's but the Kingdom. In the real mind set they are anti-Zionist and they make it known to their own people but on a national level because they don't want to lose USA as an ally they play anti-Zionist. This is only one reason why I have no respect for the Kingdom because they are two face's and corrupt on allot of things. When someone is two face's you never know when you will be stabbed in the back.

Now if you ever want to go to Saudi if you have an israeli stamp on your pass port you will not gain entry to Saudi because it is consider a fraudulent document because it is stamped as a place they say does not exist. Any one who has a career say in the oil industry for example if they need to visit Saudi for business's if they ever have to fly into Televe their employer has to obtain a special document for them so they will not have israeli stamp on pass port or later they can not enter Saudi as well as several country's

See how two face's they are ?


12hellokitty
by Platinum Member on Aug. 4, 2014 at 10:19 PM


Quoting 1stmuslimah:

Saudi Kingdom is two face's. Not the citizen's but the Kingdom. In the real mind set they are anti-Zionist and they make it known to their own people but on a national level because they don't want to lose USA as an ally they play anti-Zionist. This is only one reason why I have no respect for the Kingdom because they are two face's and corrupt on allot of things. When someone is two face's you never know when you will be stabbed in the back.

Now if you ever want to go to Saudi if you have an israeli stamp on your pass port you will not gain entry to Saudi because it is consider a fraudulent document because it is stamped as a place they say does not exist. Any one who has a career say in the oil industry for example if they need to visit Saudi for business's if they ever have to fly into Televe their employer has to obtain a special document for them so they will not have israeli stamp on pass port or later they can not enter Saudi as well as several country's

See how two face's they are ?

Serious question, what Middle East country is not corrupt?

1stmuslimah
by Silver Member on Aug. 4, 2014 at 10:20 PM

 Being that they accepted the funding from israel and allowed israel to make them what they are today I consider them two face's too. That's why I am not a Hamas supporter but I am also not Palestinian, Gazen so who the Gazen's elected to govern them in their own election is not my business.

Quoting jcrew6:

How many faces does Hamas have? 

Quoting 1stmuslimah:

Saudi Kingdom is two face's. Not the citizen's but the Kingdom. In the real mind set they are anti-Zionist and they make it known to their own people but on a national level because they don't want to lose USA as an ally they play anti-Zionist. This is only one reason why I have no respect for the Kingdom because they are two face's and corrupt on allot of things. When someone is two face's you never know when you will be stabbed in the back.

Now if you ever want to go to Saudi if you have an israeli stamp on your pass port you will not gain entry to Saudi because it is consider a fraudulent document because it is stamped as a place they say does not exist. Any one who has a career say in the oil industry for example if they need to visit Saudi for business's if they ever have to fly into Televe their employer has to obtain a special document for them so they will not have israeli stamp on pass port or later they can not enter Saudi as well as several country's

See how two face's they are ?

 

1stmuslimah
by Silver Member on Aug. 4, 2014 at 10:22 PM

 

Quoting 12hellokitty:

 

Quoting 1stmuslimah:

Saudi Kingdom is two face's. Not the citizen's but the Kingdom. In the real mind set they are anti-Zionist and they make it known to their own people but on a national level because they don't want to lose USA as an ally they play anti-Zionist. This is only one reason why I have no respect for the Kingdom because they are two face's and corrupt on allot of things. When someone is two face's you never know when you will be stabbed in the back.

Now if you ever want to go to Saudi if you have an israeli stamp on your pass port you will not gain entry to Saudi because it is consider a fraudulent document because it is stamped as a place they say does not exist. Any one who has a career say in the oil industry for example if they need to visit Saudi for business's if they ever have to fly into Televe their employer has to obtain a special document for them so they will not have israeli stamp on pass port or later they can not enter Saudi as well as several country's

See how two face's they are ?

Serious question, what Middle East country is not corrupt?

 Serious queation... what country in the world is not corrupt ? Another serious question .... have you ever lived in the near east ? It's just a simple "yes " or "no".

jcrew6
by Gold Member on Aug. 4, 2014 at 10:25 PM

So, if every country is corrupt, your points on Saudi aren't any different than any other country.

I have lived in Turkey

Quoting 1stmuslimah:


Quoting 12hellokitty:


Quoting 1stmuslimah:

Saudi Kingdom is two face's. Not the citizen's but the Kingdom. In the real mind set they are anti-Zionist and they make it known to their own people but on a national level because they don't want to lose USA as an ally they play anti-Zionist. This is only one reason why I have no respect for the Kingdom because they are two face's and corrupt on allot of things. When someone is two face's you never know when you will be stabbed in the back.

Now if you ever want to go to Saudi if you have an israeli stamp on your pass port you will not gain entry to Saudi because it is consider a fraudulent document because it is stamped as a place they say does not exist. Any one who has a career say in the oil industry for example if they need to visit Saudi for business's if they ever have to fly into Televe their employer has to obtain a special document for them so they will not have israeli stamp on pass port or later they can not enter Saudi as well as several country's

See how two face's they are ?

Serious question, what Middle East country is not corrupt?

 Serious queation... what country in the world is not corrupt ? Another serious question .... have you ever lived in the near east ? It's just a simple "yes " or "no".


jcrew6
by Gold Member on Aug. 4, 2014 at 10:27 PM

Ohh, ANd I know you weren't talking to me, but I noticed your comment and wanted to see where you were going with asking her. 

Quoting 1stmuslimah:


12hellokitty
by Platinum Member on Aug. 4, 2014 at 10:29 PM


Quoting 1stmuslimah:


Quoting 12hellokitty:


Quoting 1stmuslimah:

Saudi Kingdom is two face's. Not the citizen's but the Kingdom. In the real mind set they are anti-Zionist and they make it known to their own people but on a national level because they don't want to lose USA as an ally they play anti-Zionist. This is only one reason why I have no respect for the Kingdom because they are two face's and corrupt on allot of things. When someone is two face's you never know when you will be stabbed in the back.

Now if you ever want to go to Saudi if you have an israeli stamp on your pass port you will not gain entry to Saudi because it is consider a fraudulent document because it is stamped as a place they say does not exist. Any one who has a career say in the oil industry for example if they need to visit Saudi for business's if they ever have to fly into Televe their employer has to obtain a special document for them so they will not have israeli stamp on pass port or later they can not enter Saudi as well as several country's

See how two face's they are ?

Serious question, what Middle East country is not corrupt?

 Serious queation... what country in the world is not corrupt ? Another serious question .... have you ever lived in the near east ? It's just a simple "yes " or "no".

Fair enough.  No.  

Another question what in your opinion is the difference between the oppression of Israel and the former oppression of Saddam?  

1stmuslimah
by Silver Member on Aug. 4, 2014 at 11:10 PM

 So can you name me any one country or government that is not corrupt on some level ? They all are but Saudi really take the cake on allot of thing's.

Those of us who hold a near eastern citizenship don't quite exactly consider Turkey near eastern. Turkish people are not even Arab. Allot of them are Arabtizedand they have intertwined some Arab culture into their society but they thecinically we don't consider them as from our part of the world.

That being said as I mentioned every government entity is to some level corrupt but Turkey is nowhere near as corrupt as Saudi. As a matter of fact they are far more vocally honest than Saudi. What I do not like about the Turkish government is that most who hold seat's are Muslim although they will not allow our sister's to wear hijab (hair scarf) in any government building or university...... again two face's. Then again one can also argue that Saudi make's all women not only cover their hair but their face too.

Just so you know for informational purposes which maybe you already do know hijabis an obligation. Face cover is not. However it is only an obligation to God and those Muslim sister's who do not wear it are in sin with God therefore I do not agree with any one person or government telling one they must cover or they must not. When it is said to be a "personal choice" the personal choice comes in on whether one chooses to obey God or not.... not human. To take it to higher lever as I said face cover (niqab) which Saudi by law enforces is not even an an Islamicobligation. What I am trying to say and sorry to go a little off topic but when Turkey inposes a law restricted any Muslim to enter a government building or University without hijab this limit's women. Many are too strong in their faith and it is a serios issue so this means they are restriced to getting a degree on line from some bull shit on line course instead of the freedon of abtaining a real degree from a real university as well as being ban from government building because a pious Muslim women will never remove her hijab. .... again two faces although on so many other issues they they have far more right's in Turkey than in Saudi although that hijab ban is a serious with those who are firm in putting their obligation ot God first.

I apologize I know I went a little off topic. I meant to just make an example and got a little carried away. I am sure you must know most of this anyways having lived in Turkey your self your probably do but one example lead to an kind of off topic explanation just to explain how serious these thing's to us are but  probably non Non Muslim's maybe some of them do not understand the seriousness of hijab. 

I am not insulting your intelligence especially having livedin Yurkey in turkey yours lf but depending when when that was may differ form what is now. 

Turkey like other places I have traveled such as Dudai for an example also try to cater to the west due to the fact that they also rely on tourism. Most who go are with toursit group's and they stay in America cultured tourist destination's and tour under a tourist guide.

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Quoting jcrew6:

So, if every country is corrupt, your points on Saudi aren't any different than any other country.

I have lived in Turkey

Quoting 1stmuslimah:

 

Quoting 12hellokitty:

 

Quoting 1stmuslimah:

Saudi Kingdom is two face's. Not the citizen's but the Kingdom. In the real mind set they are anti-Zionist and they make it known to their own people but on a national level because they don't want to lose USA as an ally they play anti-Zionist. This is only one reason why I have no respect for the Kingdom because they are two face's and corrupt on allot of things. When someone is two face's you never know when you will be stabbed in the back.

Now if you ever want to go to Saudi if you have an israeli stamp on your pass port you will not gain entry to Saudi because it is consider a fraudulent document because it is stamped as a place they say does not exist. Any one who has a career say in the oil industry for example if they need to visit Saudi for business's if they ever have to fly into Televe their employer has to obtain a special document for them so they will not have israeli stamp on pass port or later they can not enter Saudi as well as several country's

See how two face's they are ?

Serious question, what Middle East country is not corrupt?

 Serious queation... what country in the world is not corrupt ? Another serious question .... have you ever lived in the near east ? It's just a simple "yes " or "no".

 

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