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Brainwashed' blacks hold up success

Posted by on Dec. 4, 2014 at 1:34 PM
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(CNN) -- Charles Barkley hasn't met a sensitive topic he couldn't dig into, and now he's speaking on what he calls a "dirty, dark secret" in the African-American community.

During an interview with a Philadelphia radio station, Barkley expounded on claims that Seattle Seahawks quarterback Russell Wilson wasn't liked by some of his teammates in part because he wasn't considered to be "black enough."

Barkley said he wasn't at all surprised.

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"There are a lot of black people who are unintelligent, who don't have success," Barkley said. "It's best to knock a successful black person down 'cause they're intelligent, they speak well, they do well in school, and they're successful. It's crabs in a barrel. ... We're the only ethnic group that says, 'hey, if you go to jail, it gives you street cred.' "

The concept of "crabs in a barrel" isn't new, and it's universal. If you've ever seen a bucket of crabs at the market, the ones at the bottom will try to pull down the crabs that are closer to the top.

"I lived this, and if it weren't for my parents I wouldn't have pushed through it," one Twitter user said in response to Barkley's comments.

Education advocate and CNN contributor Dr. Steve Perryis another observer who agrees with Barkley.

Others have been irked by Barkley's delivery. When Perry tweeted that he applauded Barkley's remarks, some 

responded that they bristled at Barkley's tendency to generalize the experience of an entire group.

"Unfortunately, as I tell my white friends, we as black people, we're never going to be successful not because of you white people but because of other black people," Barkley said. "When you're black, you have to deal with so much crap in your life from other black people. It's a dirty, dark secret; I'm glad it's coming out."

The controversy began with an item from Bleacher Report's Mike Freeman, who said some of Wilson's Seahawks teammates don't care for him because "they think he's too close to the front office," he "doesn't always take the blame with teammates for mistakes he makes," and "some of the black players think Wilson isn't black enough."

"There is ... an element of race that needs to be discussed," Freeman said of Wilson's relationship with his teammates. "My feeling on this -- and it's backed up by several interviews with Seahawks players -- is that some of the black players think Wilson isn't black enough. This is an issue that extends outside of football, into African-American society, though it's gotten better recently. Well-spoken blacks are seen by some other blacks as not completely black. Some of this is at play." (Bleacher Report shares a parent company with CNN.)

The report has been denied by Seahawks player Richard Sherman, who said the accusations were "made up," and Wilson too has shaken off Freeman's point of view.

"Black enough? I don't even know what that means," Wilson said. "I'm just an educated, well-spoken male."

But to Barkley, Freeman's assertions are a very real part of being successful and black.

"For some reason we're brainwashed to think if you're not a thug or an idiot, you're not black enough. If you go to school, make good grades, speak intelligent and don't break the law, you're not a good black person," he said. "It's a dirty dark secret. I hate to bring white people into our crap, but as a black person, we all go through it when you're successful."

http://www.cnn.com/2014/10/27/showbiz/celebrity-news-gossip/charles-barkley-russell-wilson-not-black-enough/index.html

Thoughts? I agree with a lot of this. 

I have dealt with the "you are not black enough comments" because I am well spoken, educated, and married to a white man.

"The man who makes no mistakes does not usually make anything."

I am a MARRIED, ProChoice, Organic Eating, Vaccinating, Stubborn, Successful African American MOM to a toddler and a Stepson.

Motherhood does not define or consume my life but adds to it!

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-Celestial-
by Pepperlynn on Dec. 4, 2014 at 1:36 PM
Wonder what he'd be saying if he was 5'6"...
Kaseyrose21
by Bronze Member on Dec. 4, 2014 at 1:38 PM
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Please elaborate? What does his height have to do with this?

Quoting -Celestial-: Wonder what he'd be saying if he was 5'6"...


mamalynnsmith
by on Dec. 4, 2014 at 1:41 PM
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Off topic but your daughter is cute and i love that look.
babyspots17
by Bronze Member on Dec. 4, 2014 at 2:04 PM

I would agree with his statements although I don't think it necessarily has to do with skin color as much as income level and class.  

Kaseyrose21
by Bronze Member on Dec. 4, 2014 at 2:08 PM

That is a good point. So if we took away the skin color, do whites do the same to others who have become successful? Are people always trying to drag others "back to their roots" so to speak?

Quoting babyspots17:

I would agree with his statements although I don't think it necessarily has to do with skin color as much as income level and class.  


coolmommy2x
by Platinum Member on Dec. 4, 2014 at 2:19 PM
I think you're right.

Quoting babyspots17:

I would agree with his statements although I don't think it necessarily has to do with skin color as much as income level and class.  

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jllcali
by on Dec. 4, 2014 at 2:27 PM
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His chances of being successful in basketball would have bee significantly reduced if he hsd noy been fortunate enough to have won the genetic lottery of height and athletic prowess. No doubt he worked hard but plenty of people worj their ass off and never make it to the NBA.

Quoting Kaseyrose21:

Please elaborate? What does his height have to do with this?

Quoting -Celestial-: Wonder what he'd be saying if he was 5'6"...

Mrspater14
by Member on Dec. 4, 2014 at 2:55 PM

 i think taking color away, white people do the same thing. I dont really know a correct way to say it but it varies by "class". There are locations where white and black live in the same community and both groups get "street cred" for being to jail and brag about things done to have landed them there. I live in a community where there are educated and well spken white and black people. And in the other hand there are black and white people who thrive on the lesser life, living in the "ghetto" and such. But taking location out of it, I do feel like there is more of an expectation for black men and women to live the lesser life. I dont want to say that i would purposefully hire a black woman over a white woman based on race, but I really like to see the diversity when hiring. if that makes any sense. and again straight honesty, if a white woman was overly confident she got a job because she went up against a black woman, I wouldn't hire her. I would hire the Black woman.

 

For the record, i Heart Russell Wilson. Go HAWKS! He is a BEAUTIFUL man!

Quoting Kaseyrose21:

That is a good point. So if we took away the skin color, do whites do the same to others who have become successful? Are people always trying to drag others "back to their roots" so to speak?

Quoting babyspots17:

I would agree with his statements although I don't think it necessarily has to do with skin color as much as income level and class.  

 

UpSheRises
by Platinum Member on Dec. 4, 2014 at 2:59 PM

I have a black co-worker who has expressed this sentiment as well. Among her family circle she is the only one who went to college, has a professional career, stable housing, married(although widowed), no criminal history...and instead of being celebrated she's often ridiculed.

angelenia
by Silver Member on Dec. 4, 2014 at 3:18 PM
My best friend back in college had the same type of experiences:(

Quoting UpSheRises:

I have a black co-worker who has expressed this sentiment as well. Among her family circle she is the only one who went to college, has a professional career, stable housing, married(although widowed), no criminal history...and instead of being celebrated she's often ridiculed.

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